But you'll lose maybe for good, a large number of those in the 585, 716, 607, and 518 who cared to some degree or another.
19 pts favorites vs same team last year on the road. One year later and +3 at home to the same team. Why doesn't Freeze need more time? Why didn't Covid stop his team from getting better?
No you're just arrogant. Telling someone they are less intelligent isn't the sign of higher intelligence. You simply make your points and let them do the talking for you. I gave you a short list. Addazio, Narduzzi, Freeze although Freeze may very well be another Dino where he simply wins with other coach's players so I guess time will tell.
| RO | 68.3 |
| PO | 107.0 |
| TO | 105.3 |
| SO | 97.7 |
| Peff | 108.3 |
| Ave | 2018 | 2017 | 2016 | |||
| RO | 73.7 | 36 | 70 | 115 | ||
| PO | 20.0 | 31 | 18 | 11 | ||
| TO | 28.0 | 19 | 23 | 42 | ||
| SO | 58.7 | 11 | 75 | 90 | ||
| Peff | 76.3 | 76 | 103 | 50 |
I thought we extended way to soon, their werent tons of openings that offseason and not from schools he'd want to take a lateral step to anyways, if an offer can we could have always matched it, a bump in salary is what he should've gotten but hindsight is 20/20, I just didn't see him getting a big offer in that offseason so why do a big extension, I'd imagine his buyout after this season would have to be 12 million minimum, he'll be here at least one more no matter what happens the rest of the way
This looks like a very good argument on the surface, and I'm not necessarily saying it's not valid but it fails to address a couple of things. What are those numbers for 2019 and so far into 2020? And it doesn't address the fact that Shafer's recruits were a large part of that 2018 success. Since then what is the trajectory?
I was in the small group who thought shafer should have been given another year, for whatever reason he rubbed a lot of you guys the wrong way but I liked him, defense was solid, in his last year we were more exciting and competitive than we are now, he dealt with just as many injuries and scott shafer & co somehow had better qb depth than mr offense dino babers does know, with that being said babers no matter what isn't being fired, last year was awful yet we had plenty of momentum before corona hit and if it's a normal year I assume the crowds are about normal, the local media will be running with the excuses and dino will be back next year. Your point earlier their are alot of coaches who have turned around average schools into bowl teams 6-8 wins a year, no reason we arent just making consistent bowl games, wasn't the whole point of dino to do that while having an exciting offense and team, unfortunately if we still had mark coyle I'd be excited to see who he would hire but if dino goes I have zero faith in wildhack & syracuse to hire anyone even remotely competent.
I was in that group a well, thought he was dealt a bad hand and thought Lester's offense with Dungey had some promise. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of some who want to give Dino 8 years but were ready to can Shafer after 3 when he was down to a 4th string QB.
Takes a lot of time? Liberty has been playing FBS football for like three years and they are favored over SU on the road. This is a unique year without question, but we should never be underdogs at home to a non-P5 team that has been playing FBS football for three years. As was said during GRob's tenure, we should never lose to Akron...well we should never lose to Liberty and hopefully we won't.
My apologies for not directly addressing the Shafer thing after you cleared it up, we both think he probably deserved another year so there was a disconnect there however that doesn't mean it should take Dino 8 years. Addazio had 1 losing season, so what if he got fired? Narduzzi took over a program that had 3 different head coaches in the 5 years preceding him so I don't know if that's 'a lot better'. Liberty has been playing D1 FBS football for less time than Dino has been our HC and they are favored in our house but you don't know what the heck I'm talking about?
Agreed. This year is a COVID unpredictability season. Next year is a “go bowling or go home“ season. Then he needs to maintain performance from there on out.
Here's what worries me about Dino and until he shows different results I'm not sure it will go away. BG has been a mess since he left. Hasn't seen .500 since he left. He won with other coach's players. The next coach in line won 6 or 7 games in the two years combined after Dino left and they still haven't recovered. BG was already pretty good when he got there. They have been a disaster ever since. He didn't elevate or sustain the level of recuriting they already had, and so far it doesn't look so good here either.
SS - Agreed on the time thing. He never really had a shot. The guy was a brilliant football mind. His days as a DC proved a nuanced understanding of the game, and he did bring in some good talent. Sure, he was far from perfect on the recruiting front, especially with some big bets, but he’s responsible for many of our best players since P, and he wasn’t working with great facilities.
I can’t argue with that, but I don’t think it’s right to fire a guy this year. There’s too much noise to say for sure what it would have been. Some practice time and 2-3 players can be the difference between a complete dumpster fire offense and a mediocre one.
