What is wrong with jb

[br801]

guys, it's minor league baseball. You need any possible gimmick to get bodies in the seats. It is funny it is my birthday though. Man, wish I still had my Cuse address on my license

It's probably a good move for them. You can't do a George Lindsey Bobblehead Night every year without the novelty wearing off.

 

[Eric15]

and who agrees with his good friend Mickey Krzyzewski

I think you're the first person to ever misspell Mike and correctly spell Krzyzewski in the same sentence.

 

[Chip]

I got into a tweet reply with David Teel about this. I said why not do Charlotte instead of Greensboro. Someone responded that Greensboro's arena is bigger. Teel said Precisely.

So why don't we just move the tournament to Syracuse then. Mid size city, and huge capacity? Everyone wins.

 

[cuse522]

As a unc fan the most hilarious part of his petty rant was probably talking about how theres "no recruits" down there. If I was a cuse fan Id be concerned that my coach was so out of touch with national acc level recruiting.Maybe if he tried to start scouring the area for players cuse might finish in the top 6 occasionally in this league he so clearly despises. He apparently doesnt realize just how many local players unc and duke have acquired over the years. This past recruiting class featured 4 players from North carolina in the top 20 nationally.

I get that Greensboro is probably outdated. But the timing after you lose in round one of a tournament thats IN NEW YORK, is pretty laughable. I can imagine Roy williams or K entering the old big east and berating MSG and the roots of the conference-Im sure you all would just love that and be fine with it. Listening to the press conference, it really wasnt taken out of context at all. One only need to listen to his voice crackle in pubescent anger as he spoke the words-it was as if hed been holding this in for a long, long, long time and now was vomiting it up after another early exit.

If you want to argue for Charlotte being in a rotation, that's a fair argument. However, what really makes the tournament great is being in a historic place year-after-year, so all the amazing conference tourney moments happen there and you can relive them each year. That's why the Masters is better than the U.S. Open. It's why MSG was so amazing for the Big East Tournament.

The ACC would be best served as a conference by having the tournament at MSG every year, but obviously some of the conference disagrees. I also firmly believe this would be best for UNC and Duke, but it would hurt NC State and Wake. Why? UNC and Duke are national brands, they're schools with a ton of alums in NYC, and they'd benefit a lot from the marketability and recruiting impact (although obviously they're already doing just fine recruiting).

The other thing that made the Big East Tournament cool was all of the celebs at MSG... You're not going to get that in Atlanta or Charlotte, although you can get it to some extent in DC... But Spike Lee was a regular, Bill Clinton showed up, etc. There was cache, it was an event to go to even if you weren't a huge college hoops fan. It had a buzz. It's also awesome as a fan to go to a conference tourney located right smack in the middle of a big city with tons of bars, restaurants and hotels within walking distance.

A compromise is a rotation between three big cities: North, South and Mid-Atlantic. NYC, DC, Atlanta (or Orlando, Miami, or Charlotte). The more places in the rotation and the less firm it is, the worse for the conference and for recruiting. Big East schools could recruit on "You will play at least one game at MSG every year," and a lot of kids in NY/NJ loved that. The more you rotate, the less the locations help you at all.

You may notice, none of us are suggesting moving the ACC Championship Game in football to DC or NYC. It's never been north of Charlotte, no location north of Charlotte has been mentioned, nor ever need be. That game should be in Charlotte or Orlando, and stay put IMO, for some of the same reasons I mentioned above. Just like it makes sense to have the football game in the areas where it will be branded and appreciated the most, the same is true of basketball

Bottom line: In basketball the ACC has to decide whether it wants to be a basketball conference in the South that added some northern teams and has the best level of play, or the dominant "it," college basketball conference. One of those can play in Greensboro, the other can't. One of them is worth a lot more money, too.

 

[cuseinseattle]

I got into a tweet reply with David Teel about this. I said why not do Charlotte instead of Greensboro. Someone responded that Greensboro's arena is bigger. Teel said Precisely.

So why don't we just move the tournament to Syracuse then. Mid size city, and huge capacity? Everyone wins.

That is an amazingly stupid argument. I mean someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Greensboro holds 23k and Charlotte holds 20k. Also the tickets to these games are not expensive. That makes no sense as an explanation.

 

[690West]

I think you're the first person to ever misspell Mike and correctly spell Krzyzewski in the same sentence.

 

[HoustonCuse]

I think you're the first person to ever misspell Mike and correctly spell Krzyzewski in the same sentence.

Assumed he meant Coach K's wife.

 

[Frozen]

Assumed he meant Coach K's wife.

Wasn't Missus K a bit of a handful to the Carrier Dome employees one of the times Duke played in the Dome during the NCAAT?

 

[tipphill]

his comment will hurt recruiting. it does not matter that we do not recruit down there other than dc. recruits parents will not want their kids to play here and he has reminded all of them that he won't be here either, plus the fact that that he does not give a s... bad move on all fronts by him. it detracts from all the good he has done as many don't know about it, or care. sad jb sad.

 

[tipphill]

Nope. This is our league too now. Boeheim is one of the heavyweights. He can express his opinion. He carries enough weight to do that. He didn't say anything wrong. People can disagree, but there's no reason to get worked up about it.

if you are from the south,you would get worked up. classless the way he did it. we would get upset if someone said the dome sucks, and games should be played elsewhere. jb is not bigger than the league=he needs more diplomacy. what it tells me is that yes, it is time for him to go.but god help us, w/o him we will be in trouble for awhile.

 

[cuseinseattle]

his comment will hurt recruiting. it does not matter that we do not recruit down there other than dc. recruits parents will not want their kids to play here and he has reminded all of them that he won't be here either, plus the fact that that he does not give a s... bad move on all fronts by him. it detracts from all the good he has done as many don't know about it, or care. sad jb sad.

You think recruits care what the coach thinks about playing a tournament in Greensborough? They care about getting drafted, how many hot girls go to the school and the facilities the school has and winning. In that order. The idea that recruits are watching post game pressers and having that weigh into their decision is completely wrong in my opinion.

 

[cuseinseattle]

if you are from the south,you would get worked up. classless the way he did it. we would get upset if someone said the dome sucks, and games should be played elsewhere. jb is not bigger than the league=he needs more diplomacy. what it tells me is that yes, it is time for him to go.but god help us, w/o him we will be in trouble for awhile.

They attacked wegmans. We didn't complain.

 

[Jasoncuse]

Its blowing my mind that Boeheim is getting anything other than a standing ovation (from everybody in the country outside of Greensboro) for these remarks.

For those who say the timing of his comments are bad, I disagree, the attention they got prove the timing was correct, and logically, isn't the right time to talk about the conference tournament AT the conference tournament? If he said it after a random game against Virginia Tech in January it would have been out of place.

I also want to point out that he has said the same thing on numerous occasions in the past. I don't remember any outrage then.

Is it even possible to argue with the statement itself? There is no way the ACC tournament should be played in Greensboro. His idea of rotating between Atlanta, Washington and NYC is an idea that should make just about anybody happy. Frankly every ACC coach should be saying something similar every chance they get (at least every ACC coach who cares about the health of the conference).

We SHOULD be outraged at every ACC coach who hasn't made a statement of this type.

I mean, somebody please try to argue with me about this.

Personally I'd tell NYC, Washington, and Atlanta they have a nine year audition. Each city gets to hold 3 tournaments. At the end of that span the site that's most successful (has the highest fan turnout, and the best fan experience) gets to host the tournament every year from that point forward.

Agreed, except the last part. That's going to be a difficult way to determine success.

I think they should just rotate between the 3. Or just NYC and Atlanta. 2 years on, 2 years off.

 

[OrangeDW]

if you are from the south,you would get worked up. classless the way he did it. we would get upset if someone said the dome sucks, and games should be played elsewhere. jb is not bigger than the league=he needs more diplomacy. what it tells me is that yes, it is time for him to go.but god help us, w/o him we will be in trouble for awhile.

He didn't say anything "sucks". He said the tourney should be played in a major city, and provided his reasoning for why.

Yet another ranting post that doesn't even attempt to explain why he's wrong other than focusing on his "tone". SMH. Bunch of nancies out there.

 

[Ghost]

Eh, it'd be like if the Big East had decided long ago to hold their tourney in Binghamton. And never realized that better options exist! JB is right! So who cares.

 

[OrangeDW]

They attacked wegmans. We didn't complain.

It's funny how many people are attacking Boeheim and Syracuse...while complaining that he "slammed" Greensboro.

Face it. The NC nancies who have never travelled further than Guilford County hate everything NY or Northeast, and are just looking for an excuse to attack Boeheim and the northern "Yankees". Holy thin-skinned and stuck in their ways.

A lot of the media doesn't like Syracuse or Boeheim and has used this as an excuse to pile on and attack. The majority of things some of these idiots are saying have zero relevancy to this discussion.

I've still yet to see ONE of these people give ONE good reason for why Boeheim is wrong. A whole lot of words being said though.

 

[Jasoncuse]

his comment will hurt recruiting. it does not matter that we do not recruit down there other than dc. recruits parents will not want their kids to play here and he has reminded all of them that he won't be here either, plus the fact that that he does not give a s... bad move on all fronts by him. it detracts from all the good he has done as many don't know about it, or care. sad jb sad.

Because he said this tournament shouldn't be played in a smaller city? You cannot be serious. And the thought that a post-game presser where he isn't remotely combative or mean or whatever, could actually negatively impact recruiting is funny.

If anything, recruits should enjoy hearing this, hearing a coach talk about how this league needs to play in the most marquee places.

 

[Jasoncuse]

if you are from the south,you would get worked up. classless the way he did it. we would get upset if someone said the dome sucks, and games should be played elsewhere. jb is not bigger than the league=he needs more diplomacy. what it tells me is that yes, it is time for him to go.but god help us, w/o him we will be in trouble for awhile.

JB did not disrespect Greensboro. He did not say it "sucks". He said the league should play in bigger cities with media centers, because that adds value to the league.

 

[cuseinseattle]

Can you imagine switching this around. What if Coach K said NYC has no value and we should always have the tourney in Greensborough. Do you think the NYC twitter account would immediately defend the city. For me it's like Greensborough was on a mission to prove JB was right.

 

[Shark58]

JB did not disrespect Greensboro. He did not say it "sucks". He said the league should play in bigger cities with media centers, because that adds value to the league.

he did both

 

[cuse522]

if you are from the south,you would get worked up. classless the way he did it. we would get upset if someone said the dome sucks, and games should be played elsewhere. jb is not bigger than the league=he needs more diplomacy. what it tells me is that yes, it is time for him to go.but god help us, w/o him we will be in trouble for awhile.

If they said that about the Dome in regard to a conference tournament, I'd agree 110%.

Metro Populations
NYC: 8.5M
DC: 6M
Atlanta: 5.7M
Charlotte: 2.4M
Providence: 1.6M
Raleigh: 1.2M
New Haven: 859K
Allentown: 832K
Greensboro: 723K (Greensboro-Hight Point Metropolitan Statistical Area)
Syracuse: 660K
Springfield, MA: 631K

Greensboro has no place in this discussion. The jokes about Greensboro being like playing the Big East tourney in Providence were actually unfair to Providence. This would literally be like having the Big East tournament in Allentown, Springfield or Syracuse.

Also, the facilities there are not good. The Greensboro Coliseum is a cavernous dump that feels every bit of the nearly 60 years old it is IMO. MSG is old, but it's been kept up with, it doesn't feel old from a fan perspective, and you still have the history.

There's just no reason to consider a city smaller than Charlotte. If you MUST have it rotate into NC, it just has to be in Charlotte. Raleigh is half the size of Charlotte, and unfairly close to UNC, Duke and NC State. Atlanta is the home of GT, but at least they aren't a powerhouse. NYC is Syracuse-friendly, but still twice as far from 'Cuse as Charlotte is from UNC and farther than UVA is from DC.

 

[MiniCuse]

I mentioned in the other thread that Greensboro is a decent little city. It's a good spot if I feel like going to a brewpub or a barbecue place for lunch. Maybe stop before a show; the Coliseum has a good concert schedule every year. The place has some appeal.

But Jim is right about the conference tourney being played there. The ACC should hold its competition in a major city, not the Carolina regional hub that Greensboro is.

 

[tbonezone]

if you can hold 20k that's more than enuf seats to hold fans traveling to see the tourney. secondly they are centrally located as regards the league. thirdly why do you want to piss on their tradition ?

 

[cuse522]

I mentioned in the other thread that Greensboro is a decent little city. It's a good spot if I feel like going to a brewpub or a barbecue place for lunch. Maybe stop before a show; the Coliseum has a good concert schedule every year. The place has some appeal.

But Jim is right about the conference tourney being played there. The ACC should hold its competition in a major city, not the Carolina regional hub that Greensboro is.

If they're adamant about having some basketball event there, they could hold a mid-season showcase in Greensboro. Perhaps play some second-tier rivalry games there and rotate who plays there.

 

[cuse522]

“We’re not worried about that tournament,” said Villanova senior Josh Hart, who was voted as the Big East’s Player of the Year on Wednesday. “I don’t think any coach or any player is really paying attention to that.

“We’re at MSG. This is the world’s most famous arena. There’s no better place to play than MSG."

“To me, it just shows that New York is the mecca of basketball,” Wright said. “Everybody wants to be here, and we’re here. This is where we live. To me, it shows how fortunate we are that we’re here every year."

Those are from the NY Post, which has an article talking about Villanova and Butler basketball, why? Because the Big East Tournament is at the Garden.