What people calling for Carney are really saying

[Millhouse]

thank you for putting into way too many words all the things none of us were thinking

 

[swish7]

What's a coffin throw?

When you either overthrow or take too long to throw or throw too slow, putting a receiver in a dangerous position over the middle, and giving the D too much time to react, leading to big hits on prone receivers & injuries

 

[OttoinGrotto]

thank you for putting into way too many words all the things none of us were thinking

 

[Crusty]

Everyone said Justin Lamson was good and he transferred to Stanford and he started one game then transferred to Montana State. You just never know.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Barry Baker.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[JKinUtah]

Everyone said Justin Lamson was good and he transferred to Stanford and he started one game then transferred to Montana State. You just never know.

Most of this board never knows

 

[AngryOtto]

Most of this board never knows

Agree. Fans it’s just speculation. However we have seen Ricky and he is not doing good so far. Fans just want to win and hope maybe someone else can be effective to win games.

 

[Scooch]

Most of this board never knows

In fairness, that applies to many of our past head coaches as well.

 

[Chip]

1) When people say that it can’t get any worse… nonsense, it can ALWAYS get worse. It’s entirely possible that Carney is completely incapable of running an offense against a P4 defense.

2) When people say that if you bench Collins then you can’t bring him back to play… nonsense, this sort of thing happens all the time. Sometimes it’s actually helpful for a guy to sit and watch and relax. That approach worked with Troy Nunes.

3) I’m really not sure it matters all that much in the grand scheme of this season. We likely have 2 winnable games left on the schedule, and we’ll win them with defense and a running game regardless of who’s under center.

Funny you should mention Nunes. I kept thinking that if we play Carney, it will feel like Nunes vs RJ all over again. The quicker smaller guy with the weaker arm** vs the slower bigger guy with the stronger arm.

** I don't know anything about Carney's arm strength yet.

 

[Finwad32]

I would like to see Carney. But yesterday wasn’t the time nor place. And it does not necessarily need to be a wholesale switch.

 

[baggerbob]

I would like to see Carney. But yesterday wasn’t the time nor place. And it does not necessarily need to be a wholesale switch.

Thinking realistically if they hadn't bought in Steve we would be 1-5 and in ESPN's bottom 10. That's how bad Rickie has been.

 

[anomander]

I think the biggest tell is the body language of the players. Obvious conclusion is they see this all the time and insist on going this route. At least with Carney he has the threat of using bis legs. That in itself should be enough to at least try and make a change.

 

[dan7800]

Collins hasn't been great by any means, but remember that unless your QB is Josh Allen-like the most popular guy in town is QB#2

 

[texascpa]

Maybe we can go two back sets, and run "option" since it is kinda in our play book. We have the inside zone runs and the swing passes to the RBs. RPO that stuff all day since it is safe.

BTW where are the RB passes this year?

Collins had Willis for a TD but threw it to the wrong shoulder and way off mark. So, like any other pass, Collins can't hit it.

 

[Archbold44]

Collins had Willis for a TD but threw it to the wrong shoulder and way off mark. So, like any other pass, Collins can't hit it.

Why was it the wrong shoulder? Do you know the route? I have never seen a RB on a screen looking for the throw facing the backfield...usually, they are stationary. And if it is a wheel route, usually they curl downfield to catch the pass with momentum into the end zone. Given the number of drops by Willis and his inability to hit the hole hard all game... and Nixon being the better receiving RB by far... don't be too sure about that one.

 

[XC Cuse]

Why was it the wrong shoulder? Do you know the route? I have never seen a RB on a screen looking for the throw facing the backfield...usually, they are stationary. And if it is a wheel route, usually they curl downfield to catch the pass with momentum into the end zone. Given the number of drops by Willis and his inability to hit the hole hard all game... and Nixon being the better receiving RB by far... don't be too sure about that one.

He missed Willis by a mile. He was wide open in the flat. Anyone with eyes could see Collins missed

 

[RedtheGOB]

1) When people say that it can’t get any worse… nonsense, it can ALWAYS get worse. It’s entirely possible that Carney is completely incapable of running an offense against a P4 defense.

2) When people say that if you bench Collins then you can’t bring him back to play… nonsense, this sort of thing happens all the time. Sometimes it’s actually helpful for a guy to sit and watch and relax. That approach worked with Troy Nunes.

3) I’m really not sure it matters all that much in the grand scheme of this season. We likely have 2 winnable games left on the schedule, and we’ll win them with defense and a running game regardless of who’s under center.

This is the post. We're arguing over 7 wins or 5 wins in my opinion too. Yea it matters for the team and culture and fanbase but it does not matter nearly as much for next year as people are blowing this up.

We have our QB1 and there will be huge upside and hype going into next year. I don't think there is any world where Rickie stays here anyway.

I'm less interested in the Who right now and more interested if the coaching staff can get on the same page. We are playing this middle ground of not committing to the run but then telling the team we're going to have a balanced offense. Then they see Rickie pass 45 times and run the ball 10 times. Whole offense and team is confused...

I need to watch the last 2 weeks again but Nixon seems to be too willing to allow the defense to dictate his playcalling. They leave our playmakers with matchup issues to goad us into passing but Rickie can't make those plays like his 2 predecessors.

Over the last 2 weeks 4 interceptions and 13 pass deflections + 3 sacks. He threw the ball 96 times. So over 20% of his throws are big plays for the defense that just give them momentum and deflate our team.

 

[SuFTW]

Collins hasn't been great by any means, but remember that unless your QB is Josh Allen-like the most popular guy in town is QB#2

We know that. We also know Collins has been so bad that we should find out if Carney has the stuff or not.

 

[ArchDuke]

Why was it the wrong shoulder? Do you know the route? I have never seen a RB on a screen looking for the throw facing the backfield...usually, they are stationary. And if it is a wheel route, usually they curl downfield to catch the pass with momentum into the end zone. Given the number of drops by Willis and his inability to hit the hole hard all game... and Nixon being the better receiving RB by far... don't be too sure about that one.

Not a bad thought, but inaccurate for the play Texascpa is talking about. Willis was in the flat, around the 10-15 yard line, where he opened up to the SMU sideline, no one close to him. Rickie threw the ball, I'd like to say to his other shoulder, but it was so far away from him that calling it his shoulder presents the wrong image. It was an incredibly inaccurate ball, thrown essentially behind where Willis was running. I'm sure if you go back and look for the play, you'll find it, and you won't have the same point of view that you just shared. Again, nothing wrong with it... other than it's wrong in this instance. I believe it was one of the many 4th downs we did not convert if you actually care to go look.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Quick recap of how we arrived where we are today: Collins transferred in, Collins was QB1 out of spring, we picked up Angeli, there was a QB competition (supposedly), Angeli won, Angeli got hurt, Collins has not played well in any game he's appeared in for us.

When people say they want to see Carney, what they're saying is we already know enough about Collins. They're saying there isn't any more upside there. They're saying the way he has played is as well as he can play at this level, at this time.

So when people ask why they want to see Carney, it's a combination of a) not having any faith that Collins plays better/can play better otherwise we would have seen it by now so there's little risk in b) seeing if Carney has anything because we just don't know. It's not ideal for him to play right now. But maybe he's a gamer. Maybe he has "it." Maybe a change sparks a dead offense.

I'm on board with the plan that if Carney doesn't start, he gets some reps with the 1s over the next two weeks and comes in at the first sign of trouble with Collins. I'm also in favor of the stealth move to get Carney ready to start but not announce it.

I think with Collins it's more likely it gets worse instead of better. Between the Gattis thing, player frustration on the field, Cook's uncle, etc. there are signs that the confidence just isn't there. Collins would have to basically go from where he is to nearly flawless to overcome that. I just can't see how that's likely. So let's give Carney a shot. And if he drowns out there, give Belin a shot. And if none of them have "it" we know we need to recruit QBs even harder.

I don't think the interest in Carney is solely predicated on how bad Collins has been. Carney was a 3 year starter in Texas where he had a 39-3 record, won 3 state titles, 112:16 TD to INt ratio, 10,000+ passing yards, etc.

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His youth career looks like a Texas version of McCord which we'd all agree to take. Flip side is leadership aspect... he's been leading and winning his entire life. For all of Collins poor throws and decisions the most glaring thing, to me, as that those around him in the locker room do not have faith in his leadership abilities.

 

[Archimedes]

This is the post. We're arguing over 7 wins or 5 wins in my opinion too. Yea it matters for the team and culture and fanbase but it does not matter nearly as much for next year as people are blowing this up.

Outstanding post. The season post mortem won't be difficult. We were overscheduled. We lost our starting QB. Everything got messed up. On to 2026. I still enjoying watching and am bummed it's a bye week. At least it's coming at a perfect time for the kids and coaches.

 

[MamesJungro]

Maybe we can go two back sets, and run "option" since it is kinda in our play book. We have the inside zone runs and the swing passes to the RBs. RPO that stuff all day since it is safe.

BTW where are the RB passes this year?

Notably, Ricky missed badly on the 4th down throw to Willis

 

[AngryOtto]

I don't think the interest in Carney is solely predicated on how bad Collins has been. Carney was a 3 year starter in Texas where he had a 39-3 record, won 3 state titles, 112:16 TD to INt ratio, 10,000+ passing yards, etc.

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His youth career looks like a Texas version of McCord which we'd all agree to take. Flip side is leadership aspect... he's been leading and winning his entire life. For all of Collins poor throws and decisions the most glaring thing, to me, as that those around him in the locker room do not have faith in his leadership abilities.

I believe he won four state titles. Also as a senior he was called on to also play defense in the state playoffs. In the championship game he was named both offensive and defensive player of the game.
I’m not saying it will translate to college but the kid is clearly a gamer.

 

[cusefan88]

Notably, Ricky missed badly on the 4th down throw to Willis

I still say that is ok Willis more. Collins logically threw to the flat but RB went up field.

Still, if Collins floats the ball slightly he would have had enough time to turn and get it anyways.

 

[Cuse12]

I don't think the interest in Carney is solely predicated on how bad Collins has been. Carney was a 3 year starter in Texas where he had a 39-3 record, won 3 state titles, 112:16 TD to INt ratio, 10,000+ passing yards, etc.

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His youth career looks like a Texas version of McCord which we'd all agree to take. Flip side is leadership aspect... he's been leading and winning his entire life. For all of Collins poor throws and decisions the most glaring thing, to me, as that those around him in the locker room do not have faith in his leadership abilities.

Bingo. He is a prolific HS player who threw a TON. Played in high pressure situations and won a lot. It’s worth the chance, and would at least give the fans some hope or at the least, we feel like we aren’t bagging it in. What is wrong with playing both until one shows they have better control? Because it can’t get worse. I don’t want to hear the “if you play 2 you have none”. We already have none. Try anything to see if it provides a god dang spark.