When do we get a plausible explanation?

[Scooch]

I’d rather lose and not cheat versus cheat and win. We aren’t the SEC. we have standars

I didn’t say cheat. Does hoops cheat?

 

[FloridaFan]

I didn’t say cheat. Does hoops cheat?

“Maybe we need to play faster and looser with the rules. It tends to help. Who knows.”

What did you mean here? To me that says cheat

 

[Scooch]

“Maybe we need to play faster and looser with the rules. It tends to help. Who knows.”

What did you mean here? To me that says cheat

All I want to do is not finish dead-ass last in conference recruiting.

 

[Orangello]

All I want to do is not finish dead-ass last in conference recruiting.

GA Tech agrees

 

[qdawgg]

We didnt have tape

That is a fact, we had no tape of BC running for that many yards before in history.

 

[kirbivore]

Townie this was a great post but I'll be honest I wasn't expecting this from you. I would have predicted something more along the lines of "shut up, drama queens! stop acting entitled!"

those posts are reserved for the basketball board

 

[FloridaFan]

All I want to do is not finish dead-ass last in conference recruiting.

Good thing we are 11th this year and have finished 10th and 11th every year. Never last

 

[qdawgg]

I can’t wait until spring when there posts about how overscheduled we are.

Rutgers will all of a sudden be competitive in the B10 next year because we're playing them

 

[721Comstock]

All I want to do is not finish dead-ass last in conference recruiting.

Latarie Kinsler agrees with you.

 

[baggerbob]

That time is now 4-8 4-8, 9-3 3-9, its clear which one doesn't belong. Enought of the quotes and believing nonsense, we need answers and we need them.now or we need to make a major move because this program is in Rutgers territory right now

Rutgers only lost 30-16 to BC.

 

[Townie72]

Why do you think you're owed anything?

As I tried to explain, I'm just curious. I'm not "owed" anything.

But for the good of the program, I'd suggest that DB ought to come up with something. He addressed this the post game presser in an answer to the question "What went wrong." He said he was going to have to think about it. I suspect he's right.

If he doesn't come up with an explanation, others will do it for him. It's already started on here.

 

[Townie72]

Wow, did Townie just get out-Townied in his own thread?
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No. He either didn't understand or chose not to. I'm not entitled to anything. The University, the Athletic Department or any of the teams don't owe me anything.

 

[kcsu]

Back when things started to go south for the Orange and Paul P. was coach, he was asked by the press, "What happened?"

Pasqualoni told the reporter, "I have absolutely no idea."

I can remember shaking my head and saying, "P, that is the wrong answer to give."

This had to be a completely candid and honest answer from Pasqualoni. In fact, all the reasons and factors for the quick decline might even have been unknowable. But that doesn't matter. Because as the one responsible you just cannot admit to that. You are paid to know the answer to that AND you had better come up with a plausible strategy for fixing it.

It may be unfair, but that's the way the world works.

It's premature right now because the season isn't over. Who knows, we might yet see a remarkable turnaround.

But, if it continues along its current path, Dino is going to have to come up with the answers to two questions:

1. What happened?
2. What are you going to do to fix it?

We are just about beyond "Faith without evidence.)

And this might be extremely difficult and even painful to do. He has to walk the line between being brutally frank and demotivating people he needs to depend on in the future.

He needs to do this for the fans, the press, the team and any recruits on the horizon.

He's very good at diverting direct questions, sometimes by moving things onto a higher intellectual plane. (As in "I don't think about it that way …" And because people genuinely like the guy, they frequently allow him to float above the fray. I know I do.

I hope he does know what the problems are and that he can come up with a plan to fix them.

I hope he doesn't fall victim to the do things just to show he is doing things (Like fire all the Assistants). Although the temptation and pressure to do this is going to be tremendous. That's not to say that some, much or all of this spectacular failure isn't the fault of the coaches. Just that if you don't know it is, then don't start firing people just to show you are doing something.

I'm sure he knows this and I'd be willing to bet Wildhack does. I sure am curious as to how we got to where we are and what the plan is for fixing it.

fortunately i think that Dino knows what is wrong. Unfortunately im not sure he will do what is required to try and fix the issues.

 

[Townie72]

fortunately i think that Dino knows what is wrong. Unfortunately im not sure he will do what is required to try and fix the issues.

Now there's a cryptic comment if there ever was one.

I'd disagree with whether or not he has really arrived at a conclusion on what the overarching or root problems are. I take him at his word a he said in the presser he was going to do that after the season.
He's too busy worrying about leaks in the roof, circuit breakers tripping and not having hot water. He'll decide whether he wants to sell the house and move after the season.

Sounds like you think you know what is wrong, but doubt it's fixable or that Dino cannot or will not do what needs to be done.

 

[kcsu]

Now there's a cryptic comment if there ever was one.

I'd disagree with whether or not he has really arrived at a conclusion on what the overarching or root problems are. I take him at his word a he said in the presser he was going to do that after the season.
He's too busy worrying about leaks in the roof, circuit breakers tripping and not having hot water. He'll decide whether he wants to sell the house and move after the season.

Sounds like you think you know what is wrong, but doubt it's fixable or that Dino cannot or will not do what needs to be done.

To be clear my two cents is that Dino knows he needs to shake up his staff but won't.

 

[OrangeDW]

Do people really care about “coach speak”? Or is this just venting and piling on because you’re disappointed in the season?

I couldn’t care less what he says in a post game presser after a loss as long as he doesn’t say something stupid and crazy like Shafer.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

To be clear my two cents is that Dino knows he needs to shake up his staff but won't.

I would disagree. Self-interest prevails. But, even if he refused, he wouldn't have a choice in the matter.

 

[Townie72]

To be clear my two cents is that Dino knows he needs to shake up his staff but won't.

As much as I hate to say it and as much as he doesn't want to do it, I think he's going to have to make some changes in the staff. It's a self-preservation thing. He has to be seen as doing something. It's unfortunate, but its just the way the world works.

The key to this is understanding what went wrong and figuring out what the new direction is. That's the hard part. Changing coaches may be inevitable. But which ones go and what new ones come and why?

 

[MSOrange]

Do people really care about “coach speak”? Or is this just venting and piling on because you’re disappointed in the season?

I couldn’t care less what he says in a post game presser after a loss as long as he doesn’t say something stupid and crazy like Shafer.

I feel the exact same way. I don't care what he says in a press conference. Only press conferences I try to catch are JBs just because you never know what he's going to say

 

[Chip]

As much as I hate to say it and as much as he doesn't want to do it, I think he's going to have to make some changes in the staff. It's a self-preservation thing. He has to be seen as doing something. It's unfortunate, but its just the way the world works.

The key to this is understanding what went wrong and figuring out what the new direction is. That's the hard part. Changing coaches may be inevitable. But which ones go and what new ones come and why?

I wonder if we’re in a position to throw enough money at the problem and if it’s worth it. So many questions we’d have to ask ourselves.

If Mike Lynch and Brian Ward were suddenly available, does anyone hire them as OC or DC? Sort of a spin on are they the best available.

Are there high end OCs/DCs available who would come here if they were paid among the best OCs and DCs in P5? Usually this means a failed HC who topped out as a successful coordinator.

Would Dino want two guys like that or would he think there are too many cooks in the kitchen? I don’t think he’s ever had one of those types on staff in his 8 years as a head coach.

If we have to change the OC and DC, what does that say about the HC who picked them? If you think he’s the right ”CEO” for the program, this probably isn’t as relevant. And they did just win 10 games last year.

 

[Chip]

I feel the exact same way. I don't care what he says in a press conference. Only press conferences I try to catch are JBs just because you never know what he's going to say

I find myself curious after a game like today. But then after about 2 minutes of hearing him talk, I realize it was a stupid curiosity.

 

[Townie72]

I wonder if we’re in a position to throw enough money at the problem and if it’s worth it. So many questions we’d have to ask ourselves.

If Mike Lynch and Brian Ward were sudnd he excitementdenly available, does anyone hire them as OC or DC? Sort of a spin on are they the best available.

Are there high end OCs/DCs available who would come here if they were paid among the best OCs and DCs in P5? Usually this means a failed HC who topped out as a successful coordinator.

Would Dino want two guys like that or would he think there are too many cooks in the kitchen? I don’t think he’s ever had one of those types on staff in his 8 years as a head coach.

If we have to change the OC and DC, what does that say about the HC who picked them? If you think he’s the right ”CEO” for the program, this probably isn’t as relevant. And they did just win 10 games last year.

The reaction of the University to the 10 win season and the larger crowds shows, I think, that they are VERY interested in having SU return to relevance. So I think they would find the money IF they understood what they were getting for it. A winning football program is worth a lot of money and as a private school, SU understands the value of money.

I think Dino would be for it, if it works. He'd be a fool not to. Especially if he doesn't have a better answer.

But, I also believe that Dino has a lot of rope at SU. He's been successful, he's a great ambassador for the University, and people like him.

Last year at this time he was a master chef. Now people are no longer sure.

 

[Townie72]

I find myself curious after a game like today. But then after about 2 minutes of hearing him talk, I realize it was a stupid curiosity.

He said all the right things after the game today. He is very good at these pressers, win or lose.

But it was no comparison to JB's post Carleton virtuoso performance in which he talked more frankly about the team and the performance of individual players from his current viewpoint than DB has in his career.

Both of these approaches work. But only one is truly interesting.

 

[orlandoorange]

As much as I hate to say it and as much as he doesn't want to do it, I think he's going to have to make some changes in the staff. It's a self-preservation thing. He has to be seen as doing something. It's unfortunate, but its just the way the world works.

The key to this is understanding what went wrong and figuring out what the new direction is. That's the hard part. Changing coaches may be inevitable. But which ones go and what new ones come and why?

He hired this group, there are no guarantees his next hires are better. The budget should be >, but that doesnt always mean success. It always starts at the top.

 

[Townie72]

He hired this group, there are no guarantees his next hires are better. The budget should be >, but that doesnt always mean success. It always starts at the top.

So what are you suggesting? Dino must go???

Don't pussyfoot around. Say what's on your mind.

Don't worry about taking some heat. These guys are pussycats.