Who You Gots...

[kcsu]

Luckily for the program, you'll have no say in the matter.

About as much as you

 

[Dinkyspond]

Hop is a boss recruiter and has so many connections and loyalty from high school and AAU coaches and contacts in the Northeast. As long as he turns it around at Washington, I don’t see how he doesn’t get the job over Red and Gmac.

He's won 9 games in 2 years. I don't understand the attraction from people in the forum

 

[Dinkyspond]

All these years, I don’t think I’ve ever heard Red speak. Hard to form an opinion.

He is on Orange Nation on ESPN Syracuse weekly and has his own weekly program on the same station. He frequently is on Boeheim's weekly program on the station. We don't know if he can coach but he has the coachspeak down 100 percent. He at least sounds like a head coach if that means anything.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Red

When Red was an assistant at Va. Tech under Seth Greenberg, Greenberg said Red was ready to lead his own program. I don't know if Seth meant a Power 5 program as opposed to a mid-major or low mid-major.

 

[kcsu]

Its going to take Hop to unseat Red. Guy has been a rock. Is everything a parent could want as a mentor for their son. Has more HS and pro connections than most head coaches. He deserves the opportunity. Give him a 5 year deal. If after 3 it doesn't work then go outside but dont crap on JB and what he has built. Of all of his traits good and bad his very best trait is his unwavering loyalty to his ex players, his school, and his community. Going outside would be a disaster on so many fronts.
We aren't some BS program. We are SU and Syracuse takes care of its own. JW knows, understands, and embraces this.

 

[RF2044]

Its going to take Hop to unseat Red. Guy has been a rock. Is everything a parent could want as a mentor for their son. Has more HS and pro connections than most head coaches. He deserves the opportunity. Give him a 5 year deal. If after 3 it doesn't work then go outside but dont crap on JB and what he has built. Of all of his traits good and bad his very best trait is his unwavering loyalty to his ex players, his school, and his community. Going outside would be a disaster on so many fronts.
We aren't some BS program. We are SU and Syracuse takes care of its own. JW knows, understands, and embraces this.

I know you're all in on this prediction you've made, but it's only wishful thinking on your part. He doesn't remotely have the qualifications to take over a job in the ACC And there is nothing in his track record that suggests he would be a top contender for the job vacancy, when it opens.

Literally, nothing.

Fine AC, though.

 

[Eric15]

I personally don’t want anyone coaching SU basketball that has not been a head coach before. I would be happy to have GMac or Autry as our coach if they demonstrated success at a mid major program first. Go somewhere and show us you can make a program better after 3-4 years than when you got there.

 

[Eric15]

I agree with your 'wants,' but in reality, lots of people/companies do this in real life. There are 'family businesses,' and this is sorta like that. There are 'familiarity hires,' which is incredibly common. You hire someone because you already know/trust what they can do, and you don't bother to look 'outside' to fill that position. Happens all the time. That's what 'networking' is about.

I’m not saying this to be snarky, but I feel like what you’re describing isn’t networking, it’s nepotism.

 

[kcsu]

I’m not saying this to be snarky, but I feel like you’re describing isn’t networking, it’s nepotism.

Im simply stating my opinion.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I personally don’t want anyone coaching SU basketball that has not been a head coach before. I would be happy to have GMac or Autry as our coach if they demonstrated success at a mid major program first. Go somewhere and show us you can make a program better after 3-4 years than when you got there.

Still does not guarantee anything. See Archie Miller.

 

[UpstateSM]

Still does not guarantee anything. See Archie Miller.

And if you were the why risk it?

It’s more likely that they don’t do something eye-opening in 3-4 years at a mid-low major program than that they do. If there’s a higher probability that you lower your stock by the time the job comes open by taking a HC job it makes more sense to hang onto relatively lucrative assistant spot and see if you can snag your dream job that way.

And if you don’t get the job, it’s almost a certainty that you’ll land a P5 assistant spot someplace (hopefully here still) or you can try your hand at a HC job at that point.

 

[Eric15]

Still does not guarantee anything. See Archie Miller.

Agreed. Nothing is a guarantee. Just risk mitigation.

 

[Niastri]

A million likes for this. I just can't imagine hiring for such a high profile position and limiting yourself to candidates based on where they graduated college from. Would anyone do that in their real life?

Pearson Darby Spector only hired Harvard law grads.

 

[All4SU]

No guarantees is correct. Going outside and hiring a name, or an up-and-comer is no guarantee of success. And hiring from within is no guarantee of sustaining success. It’s a crapshoot. I trust JB to know if someone is capable or not. I’m sure he and SUADJW have had this discussion. When the time comes, someone will make a decision, hopefully the fan base supports it enthusiastically, and the perception of continued success will contribute to real continued success.

 

[Sherman20]

I know you're all in on this prediction you've made, but it's only wishful thinking on your part. He doesn't remotely have the qualifications to take over a job in the ACC And there is nothing in his track record that suggests he would be a top contender for the job vacancy, when it opens.

Literally, nothing.

Fine AC, though.

I mean, Syracuse dwarfs Penn State in basketball stature but the Nittany Lions are a P5 program, and they just gave a career assistant, Micah Shrewsberry (from Purdue), their head coaching job. So it’s not completely far fetched that an assistant with no head coaching experience could get the SU job when JB retires, but he’d have to be an Syracuse guy like Red or GMac.

 

[Sherman20]

He's won 9 games in 2 years. I don't understand the attraction from people in the forum

9 games in 2 years? Where tf are you getting your stats from? He won 20 games in two years, mostly b/c of last year’s 5 win total. The prior year with Stewart got torpedoed when Quade Green was lost for the season and they didn’t have a decent backup PG. With Green, they def make the tourney again. They also lost their leading scorer Naz Carter at the beginning of last season.

 

[kcsu]

I mean, Syracuse dwarfs Penn State in basketball stature but the Nittany Lions are a P5 program, and they just gave a career assistant, Micah Shrewsberry (from Purdue), their head coaching job. So it’s not completely far fetched that an assistant with no head coaching experience could get the SU job when JB retires, but he’d have to be an Syracuse guy like Red or GMac.

JB was an assistant. An assistant at NC won a National Championship. You are correct. There are no sure fire hires. Many schools have been torched hiring the Hot name in basketball and football. My point in hiring Red is that unless we have a sure fire outsider why risk destroying 50 years of a winning tradition.

 

[RF2044]

I mean, Syracuse dwarfs Penn State in basketball stature but the Nittany Lions are a P5 program, and they just gave a career assistant, Micah Shrewsberry (from Purdue), their head coaching job. So it’s not completely far fetched that an assistant with no head coaching experience could get the SU job when JB retires, but he’d have to be an Syracuse guy like Red or GMac.

Did anyone suggest that ACs NEVER get head coaching positions?

What I'm saying is that we don't have anyone qualified for the role on staff. And Red is one of my favorite all-time players -- I still have a #15 jersey that I got in 1995. Very appreciative of all of his contributions as an assistant coach, as well.

But it is impossible to believe that he'd be the most qualified candidate for the position. Which is why he may be included in the process on a list of candidates, but won't be the hire.

The best way to sustain 50 years success is not to hire someone associated from the program who isn't qualified, it's to hire the BEST candidate we can. Period.

 

[FireballPhil]

Pearson Darby Spector only hired Harvard law grads.

Until they didn't

 

[orangedave]

Did anyone suggest that ACs NEVER get head coaching positions?

What I'm saying is that we don't have anyone qualified for the role on staff. And Red is one of my favorite all-time players -- I still have a #15 jersey that I got in 1995. Very appreciative of all of his contributions as an assistant coach, as well.

But it is impossible to believe that he'd be the most qualified candidate for the position. Which is why he may be included in the process on a list of candidates, but won't be the hire.

The best way to sustain 50 years success is not to hire someone associated from the program who isn't qualified, it's to hire the BEST candidate we can. Period.

Many questioned appointing Boeheim as head coach after his years as an assistant under Guley & Danforth. Every situation is somewhat different.

 

[RF2044]

Many questioned appointing Boeheim as head coach after his years as an assistant under Guley & Danforth. Every situation is somewhat different.

Every situation IS different. For example, 50 years ago, we were a regional program instead of one of ESPN's biggest draws. And college basketball wasn't the big business today. Back then, hiring an unproven assistant coach wasn't out of whack with the station that the program occupied, whereas it would be today for an ACC program that is top 5 all time in wins.

Let's also dispense with using exceptions like the AC who went on to be a HOFer as a strategic justification for doing the same thing we did 5 decades ago. For the record, Boeheim also had another head coaching opportunity / job offer... which is two more than both of the assistant coaches that many mention as prospective candidates have had combined.

 

[kcsu]

Every situation IS different. For example, 50 years ago, we were a regional program instead of one of ESPN's biggest draws. And college basketball wasn't the big business today. Back then, hiring an unproven assistant coach wasn't out of whack with the station that the program occupied, whereas it would be today for an ACC program that is top 5 all time in wins.

Let's also dispense with using exceptions like the AC who went on to be a HOFer as a strategic justification for doing the same thing we did 5 decades ago. For the record, Boeheim also had another head coaching opportunity / job offer... which is two more than both of the assistant coaches that many mention as prospective candidates have had combined.

Im not so sure about that.

 

[RF2044]

Im not so sure about that.

Cognitive dissonance, my man!

I'm quite confident about what our AD is going to do when the time eventually comes.

 

[kcsu]

Cognitive dissonance, my man!

I'm quite confident about what our AD is going to do when the time eventually comes.

Me too.

 

[RF2044]

Me too.

Not so sure about that, given that you're advocating limiting the search only to in-house candidates, and hiring the lowest common denominator candidate.

ADJW didn't ascend to the highest pinnacle of corporate America by thinking small and handcuffing himself with artificial constraints.