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Who's upside is greater JG3 or Buddy?

kcsu said:
I think Buddy because of his family connections, wealth, personality and mothers looks has a chance at Congress. Joe is solid and tenacious and a lock for Mayor of his home town.
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i think they'll both make fine school board presidents some day

bonus points to the first who identifies the source of the quote
 
Newhouser said:
Since it seems they are our core backcourt for the next few years, who are we expecting to be the better player at the end of their time on the hill?
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Depends on how you define upside
If upside is defined by the ability to take bad, back rimmed shots , leading to 2 or 3 immediate points the other way .. then JG3 is without peer
 
Imagine it’s likely we get some sort of transfer going into next season but there is a sinister part of me deep down that would love to see the disaster if another guard isn’t added, mostly from a forum perspective. And by disaster I mean a show and by show I mean probably a disaster.
 
I personally think Buddy. I didn't have great expectations of him coming into the year, and he really surprised me about how he adapted his game, in many ways for the better. If he continues to learn and adapt at the same pace, he will be an outstanding player for us. The only real question is should he be doing it at the 2 position? If he was moved to the 3, would it help or hurt him? I think a move to the 3 would help him, if we can get the personnel to be able to make that move.
 
I think Buddy by a hair. Joe will be the better overall player but Buddy's shooting is so much better.
 
I predict NCAA will implement social distancing in college basketball come next season. You will no longer be able to guard anyone within six feet, creating space is no longer necessary and "making shots" is the only thing that counts. They will be NBA lottery picks, Tre Jones can't guard JG six feet away.
 
miamicuse said:
I predict NCAA will implement social distancing in college basketball come next season. You will no longer be able to guard anyone within six feet, creating space is no longer necessary and "making shots" is the only thing that counts. They will be NBA lottery picks, Tre Jones can't guard JG six feet away.
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So... net ball?
 
721Comstock said:
Since you’re quoting me - I’ll bite.

Other than shooting, what was the other plus skill Southy had?

Yeah, he could leap out of the gym, but his rebounding and blocked shots #’s are meh for an athletic 6’8” Forward.

He wasn’t awful at D like Buddy, but I’d say he was average, at best.

Couldn’t really drive, not great at getting his own shot, not much of a passer or ball handler.

In a perfect world - Buddy would be the guard version of DirtySouth -
6th man shooting/scoring punch off the bench.

We don’t currently live in that world.

Your turn - go!
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:)

I really tend to think people vastly underestimate defense. I mean, simple things, like loose balls matter. Recovering on defense on a fast break - matters. Closing down a passing lane - matters. Closing out and contesting a shot matters. Etc....All of those things are not quantifiable, but if you think we're getting them at anywhere near an adequate rate from Buddy - I'd be shocked.

I agree with the "perfect world" scenario. Buddy would be phenomenal in that role - great shooter, plays smart, great free throw shooter. He's not that though and I suspect he never will assume that role, but I suppose that remains to be seen. I think he's perfectly suited for it.

7 rebounds, 2 blocks, 2 steals and same assist numbers, are pretty okay numbers for me. He can finish at the rim, can get down court on a break - plenty of things that don't show up in box scores, but I will always argue impact a game - because athleticism.

Neither is much of a ball handler - neither was turnover prone. But watch YT highlights of JSouth on a break...then think of what happens when Buddy has been on a break. It's a fairly noticeable difference when you see defenders in pursuit......I don't see that changing, as I just don't think foot speed is something you develop....he's slow. He'll remain slow. He's just not a very fluid athlete.
 
Ghost said:
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I really tend to think people vastly underestimate defense. I mean, simple things, like loose balls matter. Recovering on defense on a fast break - matters. Closing down a passing lane - matters. Closing out and contesting a shot matters. Etc...All of those things are not quantifiable, but if you think we're getting them at anywhere near an adequate rate from Buddy - I'd be shocked.

I agree with the "perfect world" scenario. Buddy would be phenomenal in that role - great shooter, plays smart, great free throw shooter. He's not that though and I suspect he never will assume that role, but I suppose that remains to be seen. I think he's perfectly suited for it.

7 rebounds, 2 blocks, 2 steals and same assist numbers, are pretty okay numbers for me. He can finish at the rim, can get down court on a break - plenty of things that don't show up in box scores, but I will always argue impact a game - because athleticism.

Neither is much of a ball handler - neither was turnover prone. But watch YT highlights of JSouth on a break...then think of what happens when Buddy has been on a break. It's a fairly noticeable difference when you see defenders in pursuit...I don't see that changing, as I just don't think foot speed is something you develop...he's slow. He'll remain slow. He's just not a very fluid athlete.
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people , not just this board, tend to not even pay attention to anything other than points...let alone any defensive metrics.
 
cant answer this question without knowing who replaces Hughes. If the answer is someone currently on the roster, then neither guard will improve much if any... and they might even regress without a prolific scorer to take the pressure off.
 
SWC75 said:
Joe can do what Buddy does but Buddy can't do what Joe does.
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But thats not the question. The question is whether Joe can do what Joe does better then what Buddy can do what Buddy does, or in other words, can Joe do what Joe hasn't done yet betterER then what Buddy can do what Buddy hasn't yet. :confused:
 
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Joe is too short, Buddy is tall enough to be a spot up shooter not sure he can hang defensively. Compares to Andrew White maybe better ball handler?
 
Just for fun, I'd suggest the best thing you can is go all EA March Madness style and rate them as if you were creating NCAA March Madness 2020-2021 and you pick the power ratings for the guards!!!
Then you can see whom you objectively think looks better:

Assuming, Michael Jordan is like a 100 on everything:

Joe Girard, G, SO, Syracuse
OVRL: 97
FG (OVERALL SHOOTING): 87
3PT (3 POINT): 90
SPD (SPEED): 89
DEF (DEFENSE): 99
HNDL (BALL HANDLING): 98
PTR (PENETRATION): 100
FIN (FINISHING): 100
DNK (DUNKING): 35
ATH (ATHLETICISM): 92
REB (REBOUNDING): 94
AST (PASSING): 97
STL (STEALS): 98
AGI (AGILITY): 97
FT (FREE THROW): 100
BLK (BLOCKS): 97

Buddy Boeheim, G, JR, Syracuse
OVRL (OVERALL): 99
FG (OVERALL SHOOTING): 98
3PT (3 POINT): 100
SPD (SPEED): 96
DEF (DEFENSE): 99
HNDL (BALL HANDLING): 97
PTR (PENETRATION): 100
FIN (FINISHING): 100
DNK (DUNKING): 16
ATH (ATHLETICISM): 94
REB (REBOUNDING): 91
AST (PASSING): 97
STL (STEALS): 92
AGI (AGILITY): 98
FT (FREE THROW): 100
BLK (BLOCKS): 98

Kadary Richmond, G, FR, Syracuse
OVRL (OVERALL): 51
FG (OVERALL SHOOTING): 53
3PT (3 POINT): 39
SPD (SPEED): 82
DEF (DEFENSE): 56
HNDL (BALL HANDLING): 61
PTR (PENETRATION): 77
FIN (FINISHING): 54
DNK (DUNKING): 63
ATH (ATHLETICISM): 80
REB (REBOUNDING): 62
AST (PASSING): 72
STL (STEALS): 46
AGI (AGILITY): 82
FT (FREE THROW): 51
BLK (BLOCKS): 38

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Ghost said:
Just for fun, I'd suggest the best thing you can is go all EA March Madness style and rate them as if you were creating NCAA March Madness 2020-2021 and you pick the power ratings for the guards!!!
Then you can see whom you objectively think looks better:

Assuming, Michael Jordan is like a 100 on everything:

Joe Girard, G, SO, Syracuse
OVRL: 97
FG (OVERALL SHOOTING): 87
3PT (3 POINT): 90
SPD (SPEED): 89
DEF (DEFENSE): 99
HNDL (BALL HANDLING): 98
PTR (PENETRATION): 100
FIN (FINISHING): 100
DNK (DUNKING): 35
ATH (ATHLETICISM): 92
REB (REBOUNDING): 94
AST (PASSING): 97
STL (STEALS): 98
AGI (AGILITY): 97
FT (FREE THROW): 100
BLK (BLOCKS): 97

Buddy Boeheim, G, JR, Syracuse
OVRL (OVERALL): 99
FG (OVERALL SHOOTING): 98
3PT (3 POINT): 100
SPD (SPEED): 96
DEF (DEFENSE): 99
HNDL (BALL HANDLING): 97
PTR (PENETRATION): 100
FIN (FINISHING): 100
DNK (DUNKING): 16
ATH (ATHLETICISM): 94
REB (REBOUNDING): 91
AST (PASSING): 97
STL (STEALS): 92
AGI (AGILITY): 98
FT (FREE THROW): 100
BLK (BLOCKS): 98

Kadary Richmond, G, FR, Syracuse
OVRL (OVERALL): 51
FG (OVERALL SHOOTING): 53
3PT (3 POINT): 39
SPD (SPEED): 82
DEF (DEFENSE): 56
HNDL (BALL HANDLING): 61
PTR (PENETRATION): 77
FIN (FINISHING): 54
DNK (DUNKING): 63
ATH (ATHLETICISM): 80
REB (REBOUNDING): 62
AST (PASSING): 72
STL (STEALS): 46
AGI (AGILITY): 82
FT (FREE THROW): 51
BLK (BLOCKS): 38

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On NO PLANET and in NO POSSIBLE TIMELINE are either Joe or Buddy rated that high at ANYTHING.

EVEN IF Joe & Buddy were like the MonStars, and could steal the abilities of Top 50 All Time NBA greats - let’s say Buddy is Klay & Joe is Steph, for shiggles - they STILL wouldn’t rate that high


Also - is Kadary suffering from Lyme, CF, *and* MS in this scenario??
:rolleyes:
 
joe but i think they both have plenty of room before they hit their ceilings. i think buddy will make an all-acc team before he's done.
 
Newhouser said:
Since it seems they are our core backcourt for the next few years, who are we expecting to be the better player at the end of their time on the hill?
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Both are very good college players. Both bring something a bit different to the table. Neither is an All-American. Both should play probably 30 minutes a game, for Joe, at least until he gets stronger, maybe a bit less. Joe would shoot 45% from three if he didn't have to also play point and play for 40 minutes every single night. His shooting decline was as avoidable as it was observable as the season wore on.
 
IthacaMatt said:
Both are very good college players. Both bring something a bit different to the table. Neither is an All-American. Both should play probably 30 minutes a game, for Joe, at least until he gets stronger, maybe a bit less. Joe would shoot 45% from three if he didn't have to also play point and play for 40 minutes every single night. His shooting decline was as avoidable as it was observable as the season wore on.
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30 minutes a game on THIS team, or on a good P5 team?
 
Ghost said:
30 minutes a game on THIS team, or on a good P5 team?
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Don't we aspire to be a "good P5 team"? Our team would have been better this season if we played them a bit less and developed some other guys just a bit more.
Buddy and Joe both had too many 2-9 or 2-11 nights in February and March, when playing guys for a few minutes here and there might have kept them a bit fresher, and enabled them to give just a bit more on the defensive end of the floor.
 

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