Why did we get Lampkin?

[MikeSU02]

I have videos of Lampkin making it up and down the court in about 2 seconds during a drill from practice a few weeks ago. I can’t post videos bc the files are too big but everyone would be shocked at how quickly he moves. Unfortunately he’s hurt. Not bc he isn’t in shape. He also played some very valuable minutes down the stretch when they needed him

You and a bunch of others have been overhyping this dude in the face of all previous and current evidence that he isn’t a great player or athletic specimen.

He’s playing against terrible D2 teams and a D1 team in the 300s.

I’m deemed a hater because I’m one of the people that acknowledges he’ll just be an ok player that is limited, especially on D.

And yes, he’s not in shape and won’t get in shape. This year he doesn’t have three NBA players on the court with him, that’s the difference. Ain’t nothing else.

When big guys aren’t in shape, they get injured over and over again.

Glad he makes a mean dry rub and he wants to shoot threes.

 

[miamicuse]

What's the opposite of dry rub?

 

[jr4750]

You and a bunch of others have been overhyping this dude in the face of all previous and current evidence that he isn’t a great player or athletic specimen.

He’s playing against terrible D2 teams and a D1 team in the 300s.

I’m deemed a hater because I’m one of the people that acknowledges he’ll just be an ok player that is limited, especially on D.

And yes, he’s not in shape and won’t get in shape. This year he doesn’t have three NBA players on the court with him, that’s the difference. Ain’t nothing else.

When big guys aren’t in shape, they get injured over and over again.

Glad he makes a mean dry rub and he wants to shoot threes.

Not going to lie, thinking about the time he has put into his side hustles, and the fact he isn't in shape has me quite frustrated. Especially since he is now a paid employee for the team. Do the cooking stuff after the season.

His first responsibility and only job (outside of class, LOL, class) should be playing hoops and getting physically prepared. The preseason drama doesn't help his image either.

 

[PhatOrange]

LeMoyne ran a really well-designed offense with a ton of screening and ton of movement. They sustained that activity level and movement all game. If your goal is to have one guy follow his man through three screens and then defend him with no help off the dribble when finally gets the ball ... you are going to get a lot of players struggling to stay in front of their man.

Red's defensive system isn't just rudimentary ... it's incredibly predictable. Rooting for Red but we are going to get torched playing that system with these players if we don't adjust add some wrinkles and get these dudes playing as a team quickly.

Why can’t we run a really well-designed offense…with a ton of screening and movement.

 

[billsin01]

Why can’t we run a really well-designed offense…with a ton of screening and movement.

I thought we showed 'concepts of an offense' lol. I mean, there were little pieces at least. I mean Lampkin at the high post will be a problem with his passing, we tried some high-low action (mostly failing, but I like the idea of it at least) and that double-high post with Davis and Lampkin in particular was very effective.

We also looked good in transition.

But yeah, watching teams like LeMoyne and Colgate run actual offenses has bothered me for years. Good teams will disrupt what you want to do and you'll have to be able to adjust and freelance at times -- but more often than not that movement (player and ball) is SO much better to watch.

 

[Eric15]

I personally like Lampkin. His defense and conditioning are questionable, but I like his offensive game around the basket and interior passing. It's nice having an actual big man who isn't 180 lbs that can back his man down and score on a baby hook.

 

[two3zone]

What's the opposite of dry rub?

Wet wack?

 

[two3zone]

Not going to lie, thinking about the time he has put into his side hustles, and the fact he isn't in shape has me quite frustrated. Especially since he is now a paid employee for the team. Do the cooking stuff after the season.

His first responsibility and only job (outside of class, LOL, class) should be playing hoops and getting physically prepared. The preseason drama doesn't help his image either.

It's how I felt about Judah's summer of partying and super cars.

 

[billsin01]

I'm happy with him and Davis. Our 7-5 center might never play again with his persistent injuries.

Starling is going to get Red fired and we won't see a Red team that doesn't involve JJ getting blown by for 35+ minutes that is the fatal flaw here imo.

It's our system. JJ may be a bad defender, though it didn't jump off the screen at me last night, per se. But we play atrocious team defense with no over-arching philosophy beyond 'pressure the guy with the ball and try to deny the guys off-ball'. That is the full extent of our scheme. It's not great as a general rule but maybe it would work if you were loaded with long, athletic, switchable talent but ... we're not that.

 

[cusefan88]

When he came back in they finally took the lead. Screened their center twice for Davis to get four points. Offensive rebound bucket then he played the two-man with Davis again.

Stop hating Lampkin because he played the NIL game, it's embarrassing.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I personally like Lampkin. His defense and conditioning are questionable, but I like his offensive game around the basket and interior passing. It's nice having an actual big man who isn't 180 lbs that can back his man down and score on a baby hook.

I like him too. But people, as usual, over exaggerate the ability of our players.

 

[DoctahLexus]

You and a bunch of others have been overhyping this dude in the face of all previous and current evidence that he isn’t a great player or athletic specimen.

He’s playing against terrible D2 teams and a D1 team in the 300s.

I’m deemed a hater because I’m one of the people that acknowledges he’ll just be an ok player that is limited, especially on D.

And yes, he’s not in shape and won’t get in shape. This year he doesn’t have three NBA players on the court with him, that’s the difference. Ain’t nothing else.

When big guys aren’t in shape, they get injured over and over again.

Glad he makes a mean dry rub and he wants to shoot threes.

You are a hater because when you say "he is not in shape" it implies that he was not disciplined enough in the offseason to get in shape. You don't know JACK about what lead to his back injury! We agree that he is limited on D, but you always want to take it a step further and say he is unmotivated to get in shape. Character judgement on a guy you do not know at all makes you a hater. Plain and simple.

 

[NineOneSeven]

You are a hater because when you say "he is not in shape" it implies that he was not disciplined enough in the offseason to get in shape. You don't know JACK about what lead to his back injury! We agree that he is limited on D, but you always want to take it a step further and say he is unmotivated to get in shape. Character judgement on a guy you do not know at all makes you a hater. Plain and simple.

Seems like a hell of a leap you made here. A few times.

 

[DoctahLexus]

Seems like a hell of a leap you made here. A few times.

If this was his first post on the subject it would be. It ain't. He is obsessed with knocking this guy down a peg.

 

[MikeSU02]

You are a hater because when you say "he is not in shape" it implies that he was not disciplined enough in the offseason to get in shape. You don't know JACK about what lead to his back injury! We agree that he is limited on D, but you always want to take it a step further and say he is unmotivated to get in shape. Character judgement on a guy you do not know at all makes you a hater. Plain and simple.

Just stand in line with the rest of the people here who kept telling me how great we would be and how great players that weren't great over the past decade were when all evidence pointed to the opposite.

If you see Lampkin and think he is in shape for a P4 ACC player, so be it. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

But not being ready on day 1 for someone we are paying too much isn't good if he got injured because he's out of shape for this level of athlete or he slipped making dry rub.

Either way, he isn't ready.

BTW, his MPG previous to this year and total games played in:

3.4 / 10
21.5 / 33
21.8 / 24
27.8 (this being the year he played with three NBA players) / 37

So, for a big guy that hasn't sniffed 10 boards a game and now has a bad back, what are your expectations that I should have for Eddie Lampkin, please?

 

[DoctahLexus]

Just stand in line with the rest of the people here who kept telling me how great we would be and how great players that weren't great over the past decade were when all evidence pointed to the opposite.

If you see Lampkin and think he is in shape for a P4 ACC player, so be it. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

But not being ready on day 1 for someone we are paying too much isn't good if he got injured because he's out of shape for this level of athlete or he slipped making dry rub.

Either way, he isn't ready.

BTW, his MPG previous to this year and total games played in:

3.4 / 10
21.5 / 33
21.8 / 24
27.8 (this being the year he played with three NBA players) / 37

So, for a big guy that hasn't sniffed 10 boards a game and now has a bad back, what are your expectations that I should have for Eddie Lampkin, please?

"If he got injured it is because he is out of shape"...or maybe...he just got injured!! Lmao. I can't with you man. "Not ready on day 1"...or maybe he was injured on day 1! And his play in the final minutes was crucial for us to win!

You are not always right man. You are jumping to conclusions with this guy way too quickly. I don't want to keep getting into it but you keep trashing the guy and I feel like I need to defend him. We literally agree on his poor defense/rim protection. But Red brought him in for a reason. You saw it in those post plays at the end of the game, including that beautiful pass to Davis. I think you have to give him more of a chance.

 

[FrancoPizza]

What's the opposite of dry rub?

Vaseline?

 

[asj410]

 

[MikeSU02]

"If he got injured it is because he is out of shape"...or maybe...he just got injured!! Lmao. I can't with you man. "Not ready on day 1"...or maybe he was injured on day 1! And his play in the final minutes was crucial for us to win!

You are not always right man. You are jumping to conclusions with this guy way too quickly. I don't want to keep getting into it but you keep trashing the guy and I feel like I need to defend him. We literally agree on his poor defense/rim protection. But Red brought him in for a reason. You saw it in those post plays at the end of the game, including that beautiful pass to Davis. I think you have to give him more of a chance.

Tell me your expectation for him this year, please. So we can make it black and white what our disagreement is on his abilities.

Let's just put it in writing.

 

[justgold315]

What's the opposite of dry rub?

Slip n slide

 

[Oakland]

What's the opposite of dry rub?

Carolina red sauce.

 

[Knicks411]

Sit down for this one-- he isn't a rim protector. He had 5 blocks last year all season. Read that again.

What he is, is a crafty big inside that has pretty good vision and feel. A much, much less talented Zach Randolph, but similar type of game.

He's a burly guy, but he's definitely a bit out of shape right now too. And no, he isn't nor should he be our best player.

I remember looking at this when we first got him and it was stunning. Kyle Cuffe is 6-2 and played 300 minutes last season and he had 6 blocks!

 

[DoctahLexus]

Tell me your expectation for him this year, please. So we can make it black and white what our disagreement is on his abilities.

Let's just put it in writing.

25-30 mpg
Around 11-12 ppg
7-8 boards
Between 3 and 3.5 assists.

More productive than his previous stats given his larger role in the offense. I don’t expect him to suddenly turn into a strong defensive player this season, but he should continue to be effective on the boards since he does a good job boxing out and averaged 7 last year in a strong conference. I am hoping we are not afraid to go to either McLeod or a small ball center when the guards are getting torched and we need stronger rim protection. Colorado did similar things with him. I think his post play/passing will be crucial for putting the ball in the hoop against more defensive minded teams.

You may slightly disagree with that, but this is the paragraph where we seem to strongly disagree. I think he got a back injury because he hurt his freaking back, not because he is out of shape. He played 28 mins a game for 37 games last season on a tourney team, and the number of NBA players on the team just makes that more impressive, not less. I think that shows the ceiling on his conditioning/durability is a lot higher than you seem to think. If he needs to play a little less at the start to get over his back injury I think that is fine and not a reflection of his conditioning, because I have no evidence for that. It makes zero sense that a guy who wants to continue his basketball career would come into his final college season out of shape. I think we paid him the amount it costs to get a semi good big man since the demand is so high. I think rolling with McLeod as the only 5 or paying less for an even weaker player would be a huge mistake. I think Red brought him in and paid that much for a reason.

 

[Knicks411]

Just stand in line with the rest of the people here who kept telling me how great we would be and how great players that weren't great over the past decade were when all evidence pointed to the opposite.

If you see Lampkin and think he is in shape for a P4 ACC player, so be it. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

But not being ready on day 1 for someone we are paying too much isn't good if he got injured because he's out of shape for this level of athlete or he slipped making dry rub.

Either way, he isn't ready.

BTW, his MPG previous to this year and total games played in:

3.4 / 10
21.5 / 33
21.8 / 24
27.8 (this being the year he played with three NBA players) / 37

So, for a big guy that hasn't sniffed 10 boards a game and now has a bad back, what are your expectations that I should have for Eddie Lampkin, please?

Lampkin to me fits the prototype of a guy who is destined to be overrated. Big man who has a nice touch, so when he scores he looks super impressive. (and he does appear to have a good touch and is pretty efficient). But will also probably give a ton back on defense and turns it over a lot.