Why Shafer Should Coach in 2016

[IthacaBarrel]

Dude, he gets paid . . . . compared to anyone in the SEC. Even the Vanderbilt guys make more than him, and Vandy is the laughing stock of the SEC (have been for years).

Your expectations are not; they are, however, the impetuous rantings of someone who has no clue.

Also, the stench of defeatism is rife with some of you. It's pathetic. It's so bad that I'm sure some of you would run away when challenged to a game of football by 10 year olds.

1.2 mil. Nothing to sneer at for an internal hire of a p5 HC with no experience. He's on watch. Regardless of pay, he's hired to do a job regardless of what that job is, sucking at it is grounds for dismissal. Pretty cut and dry, possibly it is you who needs to get a clue about how business works.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

The minimum expectation should be winning URI, Wake, CMU, and South Florida with USF posing the biggest challenge; being a road game with equal or better talent. South Florida struggled worse than we did last year. A loss here isn't the end of the world but my expectation would be a win to believe we're on an upward trajectory.

Setting the bar way too low? Why have we gone backwards in just 1 year, with these very low expectations.

 

[rosconey]

Yeah - crazy how fans always think next year will be better. Actually - that might be the very definition of a fan.

and next year never comes- the nj state anthem

 

[Chip]

I dont know about anyone else but people indicating that SU has four wins in the bag URI, Wake Forest, Central Michigan and USF hasn't been following this program the last decade +. Should all 4 be wins absolutely but this team has a lot to prove especially after last years god awful peformance against Villanova. A saturday night game at USF in 80 degree weather in front of 700 people doesn't exactly scream blowout orange win either. First couple of weeks are going to tell me a lot about this team.

Not to be shiny happy but it's 2 teams we beat and a 1AA that Villanova was beating 45-0 after 3 quarters. USF, no real idea but it seems they've become the doormat most expected.

Anyhoo, if we don't win those 4 games, we've got bigger problems than should he stay or should he go.

 

[bcubs9497]

1.2 mil. Nothing to sneer at for an internal hire of a p5 HC with no experience. He's on watch. Regardless of pay, he's hired to do a job regardless of what that job is, sucking at it is grounds for dismissal. Pretty cut and dry, possibly it is you who needs to get a clue about how business works.

Thought I had you on ignore.

Fixed.

 

[TheCusian]

1.2 mil. Nothing to sneer at for an internal hire of a p5 HC with no experience. He's on watch. Regardless of pay, he's hired to do a job regardless of what that job is, sucking at it is grounds for dismissal. Pretty cut and dry, possibly it is you who needs to get a clue about how business works.

Explain how he sucks at his job?

 

[TheCusian]

and next year never comes- the nj state anthem

Schools rise and fall all the time. C'mon.

 

[Alsacs]

Why don't you do everyone a favor, and take a break until the football season starts, your negativity is wearing thin, its people like you who never have anything good to say who make sites bad. You are like the little kid who constantly cried wolf, go away and let reasonable people talk about the team.

This is callout is ridiculous. I get people want to live in an echo chamber, but SS is the 14th ranked coach in the ACC is most college football experts minds. He has a lot to prove and if taking a dose of realism and call a spade a spade is negativity that is not right. Being a realist is NOT BEING NEGATIVE it is saying if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck its a DUCK not anything better.

I am always a realist and will be consistent. SS has not earned faith if he has then the expectations for SU FB are really low.

 

[omniorange]

Agree that Shafer is still an unknown quantity as head coach. It's hard to say he is outright pathetic like GERG, but he doesn't have my confidence the way Marrone did at this point either.

Still I'm wearing my orange colored glasses as I type and I do see signs of hope. First, the defense should be good and with players like Cullen, Clark, Blair (if he qualifies) on the horizon that should remain solid.

It's the offense, for me where I see hope. And again, wearing those glasses, I'm looking at RW, KW, and SI maybe doing for SU what Slaton, White, and Reynaud did for WVU from 2005 through 2007. And if they only produce 75% of that offense, it will still be one and half times more points scored than we have had in 9 of the past 10 years.

Something has got to break right on the offensive end sometime.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Scooch]

Agree that Shafer is still an unknown quantity as head coach. It's hard to say he is outright pathetic like GERG, but he doesn't have my confidence the way Marrone did at this point either. Still I'm wearing my orange colored glasses as I type and I do see signs of hope. First, the defense should be good and with players like Cullen, Clark, Blair (if he qualifies) on the horizon that should remain solid. It's the offense, for me where I see hope. And again, wearing those glasses, I'm looking at RW, KW, and SI maybe doing for SU what Slaton, White, and Reynaud did for WVU from 2005 through 2007. And if they only produce 75% of that offense, it will still be one and half times more points scored than we have had in 9 of the past 10 years. Something has got to break right on the offensive end sometime. Cheers, Neil

As down as I seem here at times, I was in the Dome for Maryland last year and watched us move the ball up and down the field with ease. I really think we are capable of having a functional, average offense. I don't know HOW since we've basically only done that once in the past TEN years. But I feel like it's possible, somehow, someway.

 

[baggerbob]

This is callout is ridiculous. I get people want to live in an echo chamber, but SS is the 14th ranked coach in the ACC is most college football experts minds. He has a lot to prove and if taking a dose of realism and call a spade a spade is negativity that is not right. Being a realist is NOT BEING NEGATIVE it is saying if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck its a DUCK not anything better.

I am always a realist and will be consistent. SS has not earned faith if he has then the expectations for SU FB are really low.

I've followed the program for over 50 years, and after 2 years its foolish to already label a coach. Doug was 6-15 in the Big Least after 3 years, but finally had a good season in his 4th year. Mac was 6-15-1 after 2 years, we should have fired him according to all the negative people on this site. Yes we have some problems on offense, mostly caused by someone, who had no idea what to do, and didn't utilize his players in a way that they could perform. At least wait until Lester has a full season before acting as if the sky is falling. That would be a realist, not what you are.

 

[CaliCuse]

Thought I had you on ignore.

Fixed.

Tough crowd!

 

[KaiserUEO]

Explain how he sucks at his job?

3-9 is a start.

another sub .500 would be part 2.

im guessing at some point you have also admitted his 1st hire of OC was bad.

the fact that there is a bunch of people from Missouri on this guy shouldnt be so shocking.

 

[omniorange]

As down as I seem here at times, I was in the Dome for Maryland last year and watched us move the ball up and down the field with ease. I really think we are capable of having a functional, average offense. I don't know HOW since we've basically only done that once in the past TEN years. But I feel like it's possible, somehow, someway.

Yep, I recall the Maryland game as well. We went up and down the field, probably had close to 600 yards of offense, and managed only 20 points, with a late TD at that.

That nightmare was probably why I subconsciously went for "points scored". :bang:

Hope Lester is up to the task.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[TheCusian]

3-9 is a start. another sub .500 would be part 2. im guessing at some point you have also admitted his 1st hire of OC was bad. the fact that there is a bunch of people from Missouri on this guy shouldnt be so shocking.

I have been on record stating that his hiring of Mcit is on him. That was a huge mistake. (That he moved rather quickly on).

The 3-9 record was equal parts that mistake (his control) and injuries (not in his control).

I agree that he should be on notice. I just am not as confident as you are about just how good a HC he is. If the O gets better this year his outlook as HC will be sig better.

 

[CIL]

Thought I had you on ignore.

Fixed.

I'm not sure if the staff has told the parents yet, but I'm pretty sure they will at some point -- it's probably in your best interest to step away from active participation on these boards. Nothing good will ever come of it, period.

We've all seen it in the past, right grams?

 

[ImperialOrange]

This board will be a lot more fun once preseason is underway and we have tangible things to discuss.

Eventually we have to have a season with more lucky breaks than bad. No way of telling if this will be that year but better luck with injuries would be a great start. A couple good bounces, a few favorable calls, and some opponent errors would result in more wins alone.

As to HCSS, I really like the man and hope he succeeds this year and beyond. Am I convinced that he will? No. Is the sky falling? Probably not. It was always going to be a slow build from the depths of the GRob error especially seeing as SU wasn't going to simply dump a ton of money into it over night. The one thing I can say is we are no longer physically outmatched on the feild. We need the mental aspect from our coaches and players to catch up. Defense I do, and have felt good about. Offense I'm still waiting on. The last excellent wr we had was Alec Lemon. If Ismael or any of the other wrs can offer anywhere close to his production then we should be 6 wins minimum this year. If we can get the 12 ton gorilla of moving the ball over the goal line in the red zone off our back we could be an 8 win team this year and expect that moving forward.

It is a show me year for SS but way too early to gauge what he'll show. I do know this board will be much more enjoyable coming off a 51-10 win against Rhode Island though. If we come out and beat them like we should optimism will come far easier. If we don't? Well... lets hope we don't find out.

 

[bcubs9497]

I'm not sure if the staff has told the parents yet, but I'm pretty sure they will at some point -- it's probably in your best interest to step away from active participation on these boards. Nothing good will ever come of it, period.

We've all seen it in the past, right grams?

I was definitely warned. Most of y'all are fine. There are only a few turds in the punch bowl, and I'm pretty sure I've got them all on ignore now.

 

[CuseLegacy]

I was definitely warned. Most of y'all are fine. There are only a few turds in the punch bowl, and I'm pretty sure I've got them all on ignore now.

LOL. Oh you make me laugh. Thank you.

 

[RMH44]

I was definitely warned. Most of y'all are fine. There are only a few turds in the punch bowl, and I'm pretty sure I've got them all on ignore now.

...and they're the same turds that were bitching after our 8 win seasons. They'll always find something to b1tch about, it's in their DNA. Pathetic.

 

[bcubs9497]

...and they're the same turds that were bitching after our 8 win seasons. They'll always find something to b1tch about, it's in their DNA. Pathetic.

Probably the same kind of people, that as kids, we used to beat up on for being such !@#$!#@.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Not to be shiny happy but it's 2 teams we beat and a 1AA that Villanova was beating 45-0 after 3 quarters. USF, no real idea but it seems they've become the doormat most expected.

Anyhoo, if we don't win those 4 games, we've got bigger problems than should he stay or should he go.

I think thats pretty much my point, the fact that I can't sit here and say thats at minimum 3 guaranteed wins is a bit scary. Im looking at it from an overall program standpoint not even from the standpoinit of the head coach. I agree with most on this thread that Shafer is certainly in a situation where another disasterous 3-9 season or something similar may result in regime change but I just find it funny that people on both sides of the argument are pretty much locking in those 4 games as wins. It reminds of a few games before Nova where 95% of this board was predicting a blowout and laughing at me and a handful of other posters who thought we were in for a dogfight. Even under Marrone this team has had to white knuckle wins against 1AA teams not named Colgate and Wagner. It would be great if this team could come out and be up 28-0 by the second quarter and make a statement for a change.

 

[Chip]

I think thats pretty much my point, the fact that I can't sit here and say thats at minimum 3 guaranteed wins is a bit scary. Im looking at it from an overall program standpoint not even from the standpoinit of the head coach. I agree with most on this thread that Shafer is certainly in a situation where another disasterous 3-9 season or something similar may result in regime change but I just find it funny that people on both sides of the argument are pretty much locking in those 4 games as wins. It reminds of a few games before Nova where 95% of this board was predicting a blowout and laughing at me and a handful of other posters who thought we were in for a dogfight. Even under Marrone this team has had to white knuckle wins against 1AA teams not named Colgate and Wagner. It would be great if this team could come out and be up 28-0 by the second quarter and make a statement for a change.

I'm just sorta mentally locking them in. I'm actually curious to see if Wake improves in year 2 under the new coach, having played a true freshman all year long. Nowhere to go but up.

I think URI is going to be Wagner-ish. I don't expect a Villanova repeat. They were one of the worst FCS teams last year. But having said that, I'm not going to get false hope when we Wagner them.

 

[Scooch]

Probably the same kind of people, that as kids, we used to beat up on for being such !@#$!#@.

Oh, so you're a bully who picked on kids? Good to know. Ass.

 

[CIL]

Probably the same kind of people, that as kids, we used to beat up on for being such !@#$!#@.

No, most of these people are season ticket holders who have supported the program for over 3 decades.

I am a former athlete and a father as well, so I more than understand your point of view. I am also a fan, so I certainly get their perspective as well.

Personally, if either of my children are blessed enough to play college athletics such as your son (and congrats on such a feat), I'd probably put away the keyboard and enjoy every minute of it.

There is nothing for you to gain here and a lot to lose, so to speak.