Why Shafer Should Coach in 2016

[Full_Rebar]

The wild card is the new AD. If history is an indicator, then a 6 win season and a bowl game doesn't even necessarily save the job.

I wish I could hear the part of the interview where the candidates discuss their thoughts for the football program with the understanding that they are inheriting a 3 win coach. (assuming these interviews actually take place before the 2015 season begins).

A new AD should absolutely be in place before the season starts. I'd venture to guess it will be no later than August 1st.

 

[TheCusian]

watch and read what i do here...if Syracuse football does not get me 8 regular season wins this year...i want shafer FIRED. this is year 7 of the marrone/shafer plan and i want god-damn results or a change.

You're so cute when you're angry.

 

[TheCusian]

watch and read what i do here...if Syracuse football does not get me 8 regular season wins this year...i want shafer FIRED. this is year 7 of the marrone/shafer plan and i want god-damn results or a change.

Do you think we should be less patient due to the last ten years? Does anything pre-Shafer matter to the evaluation of Shafer as HC?

 

[KaiserUEO]

Do you think we should be less patient due to the last ten years? Does anything pre-Shafer matter to the evaluation of Shafer as HC?

yes, less patient. we now have ACC $$ and a soon to be new AD.

DC Shafer hurts HC Shafer. he got the job for continuity sake. hes been here a while.

and yet people are ok with a less than 7 win season and im told 8 wins is unrealistic.

despite the fact that since hes been here the Orange have won 3 bowl games and he even won 7 and a bowl game in his 1st.

incredulous.

 

[Moontan]

Given the way that other indicators are trending, the simplest way to fix the program quickly - honest to goodness fix - would be to find a good, proven P5 offensive coordinator

This is what I advocated at the time that George was sent from the booth to the sideline. Naming Lester the interim OC and candidate for the 2015 job was the way to go. Other OCs would be available at the end of the season. HCSS went all-in with Lester. I hope the bet pays off.

 

[baggerbob]

The new AD isn't going to be able to hire a new coach. With Kent's 5 year spending plan to control costs, if you fire the staff, you will be bringing in new people for less money.

 

[CuseCactus]

I gotta agree with Kaiser. He won 7 games his first year. (On the heels of an 8 win year in '12.) 5 wins in his 3rd doesn't cut it. In business, he'd be gone. AT LEAST 6 and a bowl. Or good bye.

 

[kcsu]

watch and read what i do here...if Syracuse football does not get me 8 regular season wins this year...i want shafer FIRED.

this is year 7 of the marrone/shafer plan and i want god-damn results or a change.

Hier Kaiser you need to Kalte

 

[Scooch]

The new AD isn't going to be able to hire a new coach. With Kent's 5 year spending plan to control costs, if you fire the staff, you will be bringing in new people for less money.

Oy vey.

 

[RandygoCuse]

the problem is, he won 7 games in his FIRST year.

the article makes no sense.

so we should accept going in reverse just because of some quirky stat??

if in a coaches 3rd year, 8 wins is completely unrealistic...then he needs to go.

I think we need to ask a different question than whether or not he can get to 8 wins - is the guy after him going to do better than what Shafer did?

 

[TheCusian]

yes, less patient. we now have ACC $$ and a soon to be new AD. DC Shafer hurts HC Shafer. he got the job for continuity sake. hes been here a while. and yet people are ok with a less than 7 win season and im told 8 wins is unrealistic. despite the fact that since hes been here the Orange have won 3 bowl games and he even won 7 and a bowl game in his 1st. incredulous.

You're making the case for patience. If the defense has provided continuity (it has) and all but one of his years as DC, the offense was the issue (it was) AND in his two years as HC the offense was anemic and then awful - wouldn't you think he'd get more than two years to show something on O?

You want yo jump to 8 wins by skipping some steps - while most likely with ACC money netting a "better" coach we still have growing pains (time) and need to build to 8-9 wins.

 

[TheCusian]

I gotta agree with Kaiser. He won 7 games his first year. (On the heels of an 8 win year in '12.) 5 wins in his 3rd doesn't cut it. In business, he'd be gone. AT LEAST 6 and a bowl. Or good bye.

It's on him for the bad OC hire. It's on Marrone that he left the QB room devoid of a Nassib caliber guy.

 

[KaiserUEO]

You're making the case for patience. If the defense has provided continuity (it has) and all but one of his years as DC, the offense was the issue (it was) AND in his two years as HC the offense was anemic and then awful - wouldn't you think he'd get more than two years to show something on O?

You want yo jump to 8 wins by skipping some steps - while most likely with ACC money netting a "better" coach we still have growing pains (time) and need to build to 8-9 wins.

if theres a # between 7 & 8 that im missing, please enlighten me.

he was a 7 win guy in year 1.

i fail to see how with 3 nonconf cupcakes, the fan base feels that 4-4 in the ACC is unrealistic in year 3.

especially when hes already done it.

And 1 more win is out of the question??!

good lord this thread keeps getting worse......

 

[TheCusian]

if theres a # between 7 & 8 that im missing, please enlighten me. he was a 7 win guy in year 1. i fail to see how with 3 nonconf cupcakes, the fan base feels that 4-4 in the ACC is unrealistic in year 3. especially when hes already done it. And 1 more win is out of the question??! good lord this thread keeps getting worse...

Are you suggesting that the bar for every coach is to improve on their best season at that school by one win every year, despite all context? What an odd way of measuring performance.

Kaiser: Hey Joe, two years ago your store made 100,000 in profit. We expect a 10% increase on that number.

Joe: But last year there was a catastrophic flood and we lost our inventory, had to rebuild the store and half our customers lost their homes.

Kaiser: Irrelevant.

 

[007]

Are you suggesting that the bar for every coach is to improve on their best season at that school by one win every year, despite all context? What an odd way of measuring performance.

Kaiser: Hey Joe, two years ago your store made 100,000 in profit. We expect a 10% increase on that number.

Joe: But last year there was a catastrophic flood and we lost our inventory, had to rebuild the store and half our customers lost their homes.

Kaiser: Irrelevant.

So, HCSS is kinda like our Noah?

 

[Orijinal]

if theres a # between 7 & 8 that im missing, please enlighten me.

he was a 7 win guy in year 1.

i fail to see how with 3 nonconf cupcakes, the fan base feels that 4-4 in the ACC is unrealistic in year 3.

especially when hes already done it.

And 1 more win is out of the question??!

good lord this thread keeps getting worse...

Kaiser, I give up. Not getting into a pi...ng contest with you. The "completely unrealistic" comment was made in context of what every single other coach has done in year 3. Can 7 wins happen? Yes. I hope it does and believe the team has a chance of doing it. Is it completely unrealistic to expect that it will happen given the context of history? Yes. And then to fire a 3rd year head coach because he "only got 7 wins?" I guess I'll let that speak for itself

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So, HCSS is kinda like our Noah?

/cubit joke

 

[bcubs9497]

I have seen the errors of my ways. Personally, I think Coach Shafer should be water-boarded, then drawn, quartered, with his body parts to be buried in each of the home offices of the P5 conferences. Also, his dog should be kicked, then curb-stomped, by a 12 year old skinhead sporting a pair of Doc Martens.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Are you suggesting that the bar for every coach is to improve on their best season at that school by one win every year, despite all context? What an odd way of measuring performance.

Kaiser: Hey Joe, two years ago your store made 100,000 in profit. We expect a 10% increase on that number.

Joe: But last year there was a catastrophic flood and we lost our inventory, had to rebuild the store and half our customers lost their homes.

Kaiser: Irrelevant.

im sorry, but hes a football coach, are we not counting wins and losses here? never said it had to go up 1 W a year, thats preposterous, but in theory...yes, there should be year over year improvement or at least a status quo. this is a tough business, its win or else. he came out and won in year 1, then crapped the bed last year...and now we are ok with him crapping the bed again??? this time with the same QB who took him to the bowl win 2 years ago??

seriously...What???!!!!

10% increase?? damn, every year my goals go up at least 20%

and come on, nice try but there was no storm. if the store was flooded, it was Joes fault, for he broke the standpipe.

and to the other guy, this stuff is never a pissing match, its just debating points and if SS gets to 7 Ws i think we will all be happy and he will get to keep his job, failing that...he really should be let go. what i am saying is if we all get in the hot tub time machine and go back to the summer of 13 when he inexplicably was handed the job...if the plan for him was to be under .500 in years 2 & 3 and he would get to keep his job, id like to think this board wouldve lost their shlit.

you guys need to step back and look at the macro and not keep getting fixated on the micro and excuses.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

im sorry, but hes a football coach, are we not counting wins and losses here? never said it had to go up 1 W a year, thats preposterous, but in theory...yes, there should be year over year improvement or at least a status quo. this is a tough business, its win or else. he came out and won in year 1, then crapped the bed last year...and now we are ok with him crapping the bed again??? this time with the same QB who took him to the bowl win 2 years ago??

seriously...What???!!!!

10% increase?? damn, every year my goals go up at least 20%

and come on, nice try but there was no storm. if the store was flooded, it was Joes fault, for he broke the standpipe.

and to the other guy, this stuff is never a pissing match, its just debating points and if SS gets to 7 Ws i think we will all be happy and he will get to keep his job, failing that...he really should be let go. what i am saying is if we all get in the hot tub time machine and go back to the summer of 13 when he inexplicably was handed the job...if the plan for him was to be under .500 in years 2 & 3 and he would get to keep his job, id like to think this board wouldve lost their shlit.

you guys need to step back and look at the macro and not keep getting fixated on the micro and excuses.

We are on year 12 of the 4 year plan!!! The bar to me is 7-5. 6-6 will probably do it but anything less than that, he should be canned, he didn't inherit a rebuild, if he can't at least maintain what he walked into then he should be let go. He didn't start at ground zero but so many people are willing to let him. Don't get it. I like Shafer but you can't let him stay at 5-7, IMO

 

[bcubs9497]

We are on year 12 of the 4 year plan!!! The bar to me is 7-5. 6-6 will probably do it but anything less than that, he should be canned, he didn't inherit a rebuild, if he can't at least maintain what he walked into then he should be let go. He didn't start at ground zero but so many people are willing to let him. Don't get it. I like Shafer but you can't let him stay at 5-7, IMO

Naw, just shoot him. And his dog. Sht, let's go after his parrot, too. After all, he had all the time in the world.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Naw, just shoot him. And his dog. Sht, let's go after his parrot, too. After all, he had all the time in the world.

5-7 won't cut it, just fire him. I don't advocate any violence to animals so just fire him and move on. Did you witness last season? Did you witness the 9 of the last 12? If it looks like duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. No use prolonging the inevitable. Plain and simple. People forget some of the epic beat downs as well Shafer's first year. There was a lot of bad play that year as well. Shafe you are on high alert! Oh Lord

Been a brutal run.

 

[bcubs9497]

5-7 won't cut it, just fire him. I don't advocate any violence to animals so just fire him and move on. Did you witness last season? Did you witness the 10 of the last 12? If it looks like duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. No use prolonging the inevitable. Plain and simple. People forget some of the epic beat downs as well Shafer's first year. There was a lot of bad play that year as well. Shafe you are on high alert! Oh Lord

He needs to die. He has brought shame to every Monday Morning coach in the country. The thought of allowing him to breathe any longer is disgusting to me. He had ALL the time in the world to take a mediocre team and win 200 national championships, 45 world series, and re-unite the heavyweight boxing title.

No, he deserves a horrible death.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

He needs to die. He has brought shame to every Monday Morning coach in the country.

3-9 speaks for itself. Even a Monday Morning coach can figure that out. His time is now... Dude gets paid very well and that pay comes with expectations, plain and simple. Those expectations are W's.

 

[KaiserUEO]

He needs to die. He has brought shame to every Monday Morning coach in the country. The thought of allowing him to breathe any longer is disgusting to me. He had ALL the time in the world to take a mediocre team and win 200 national championships, 45 world series, and re-unite the heavyweight boxing title.

No, he deserves a horrible death.

a monday morning coach is what happens to 3-9 saturday afternoon & evening coaches.