Wildhack is on the Clock

[OrlandoCuse]

He’s getting 4. That’s the number of years to get “your guys” in the program. Red can recruit and will get the players he wants. But no way he’s gone after this year. Year 3 will be very important. Wins are still wins as of right now

I’m not going to overreact after only two games, but in this new age of the portal it doesn’t take 4 years to build a roster. Everyone on this current roster was brought in by Red.

Red needs to identify a system of basketball that works in the new world of college basketball. I hope he can do it, but I don’t think it’s a given to assume he’ll get a minimum of 4 years.

 

[Toga]

 

[HoustonCuse]

I did hear him talk alot about it but do u remember Devo as a defensive genius in college, i dont either so all the things he was saying about these he would be saying about himself. Yea he gets it 100% now but it didnt look like he did in college. Kids are learning and honestly the thing i see most is lack of grit and want on defensive end. To be great on defense, its all heart.

How Devendorf played in college has nothing to do with his spot on evaluations about the poor defense. And even with that said, he was orders of magnitude better than anyone on this team.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This is basketball, it takes one player to turn a program around. Pre Portal it would take 2 years to have a team full of "your guys." Now with the portal it is 1-2 years. Getting a 4th year without success years 1-3 would be a complete joke. We might as well move games to the War Memorial because we won't need capacity any bigger than that.

 

[721Comstock]

How Devendorf played in college has nothing to do with his spot on evaluations about the poor defense. And even with that said, he was orders of magnitude better than anyone on this team.

Not on D he wasn’t.

We coulda called him Evo - no “D”.

As skilled an offensive player as we’ve ever had.
He was an Absolute Magician (h/t to Troy Nunes) at finishing at the rim, with either hand.

But his D was…. lacking.

Even when he played w Boeheim’s Army in TBT, you could see he was trying -
he just wasn’t doing.

all that said - he’s a really good commentator,
and I agree 144% that his assessments of how bad our individual and team D are, are indeed spot on.

 

[MSOrange]

Not on D he wasn’t.

We coulda called him Evo - no “D”.

As skilled an offensive player as we’ve ever had.
He was an Absolute Magician (h/t to Troy Nunes) at finishing at the rim, with either hand.

But his D was…. lacking.

Even when he played w Boeheim’s Army in TBT, you could see he was trying -
he just wasn’t doing.

all that said - he’s a really good commentator,
and I agree 144% that his assessments of how bad our individual and team D are, are indeed spot on.

Agree. He was bad on D but as you mention, just because he didn't do it doesn't mean he doesn't know how it's supposed to be done. I think that sentence just made sense

 

[MamesJungro]

Lampkin, Bell, JJ, and Carlos are all veterans who might be the worst defenders we’ve had at their positions since I started watching Cuse in late 80s. Something is very wrong either with their coaching or talent evaluation

 

[kirbivore]

OJT?

On the job training

 

[Bulldong04]

Had a week to at least show a little improvement on defense and Devo sure wasn't impressed, but we'll see.

Trust me I’m just as perplexed as you guys.

 

[jr4750]

How Devendorf played in college has nothing to do with his spot on evaluations about the poor defense. And even with that said, he was orders of magnitude better than anyone on this team.

Agreed. His insight was great. He was absolutely horrified by what he saw. He knows basketball.

 

[Chip]

Doesn't take 4 years with the transfer portal. That's ridiculous. And no he better not get 4 if there's no NCAA bid. That would be 5 in a row.

I think people forget what year it is.

The needs 4 years thing doesn't even apply to football anymore. Rare instances in hoops outside of the mid major level.

We lost our starting center/power forward because he'd rather be a role player off the bench at a better program. How do you build with that?

 

[miamicuse]

Dry rub doesn't marinate well that's the issue.

 

[jr4750]

I think people forget what year it is.

The needs 4 years thing doesn't even apply to football anymore. Rare instances in hoops outside of the mid major level.

We lost our starting center/power forward because he'd rather be a role player off the bench at a better program. How do you build with that?

Vicious cycle. How do you get the support you need to be good if you aren’t ever good enough to create it.

 

[OttosShoes]

Y'kno we actually lost to Colgate twice before Boeheim retired.

Yeah, it's an ugly win, but we should count our blessings that we're upset about winning.

 

[Toga]

Apparently it refers to “on the job training.” I had to look it up. I am not sure why we have to abbreviate everything. It takes less than three seconds to type the actual words. FML.

Yeah IDK

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

He’s getting 4. That’s the number of years to get “your guys” in the program. Red can recruit and will get the players he wants. But no way he’s gone after this year. Year 3 will be very important. Wins are still wins as of right now

He's not getting four if things go south. My sources aren't what they used to be, and I respect the info you bring to the board, but I don't think he's getting four. If this year is a disaster, I'm not sure if he's getting three.

This is the portal era. Elite programs can reload to become, at the very least, tourney teams in year 1.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

But his D was…. lacking.

Say that to his face!

 

[zilo]

Can you imagine if we were 0-2 with two home losses to Lemoyne and Colgate? Lol this board would be insane

 

[phil77]

Can you imagine if we were 0-2 with two home losses to Lemoyne and Colgate? Lol this board would be insane

The bad thing is this isn't like 20 years ago in the mind of the tournament committee we might as well have lost. These wins will be just as bad as a loss in the long run when/if we start having the bubble conversation. These types of wins versus inferior teams are why we will not be talked about as being on the bubble. We will need multiple very good wins to overcome these again according to the committee and the way they do things now.

 

[Dcuse]

Y'kno we actually lost to Colgate twice before Boeheim retired.

Yeah, it's an ugly win, but we should count our blessings that we're upset about winning.

To be fair, this Colgate team wasn’t nearly as good as those.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

We are getting way ahead of ourselves as there are 60+ games left between now and the end of year 3.

Personally if this year looks really bad, I would consider cutting the cord. But I know that will never happen.

As to needing "his players" of the 10 players that have seen action this year, only one was brought in by JB. The other 9 came on with Red as HC. If we don't make the NCAAs it is because his guys are not good enough, not because he doesn't have his guys. And the same will be true if we miss the NCAAs next year too. You won't need any more evidence.

That being said we will cross that bridge if/when it happens.

 

[Niastri]

Is that just a flippant remark or do you really believe that?

It’s not an invalid perspective to recognize we haven’t been in the tournament or ranked in quite a while, we used to destroy teams we are now ‘lucky’ to beat [and since we’re playing them at home, we might only be ‘equal’ to them on a neutral court], we haven’t been a threat to be tops in the conference since we moved to the ACC, and we are in a whole new world of recruiting with NIL.

You attribute recognition of this as a personality flaw in the observers? And those people are ‘getting their jollies in‘ before the turnaround next year?

I would point out that Red has been great at recruiting.

The infusion of talent since he took over had been great, especially from high school. Since Red took over, we have recruited Starling, Westry, Freeman and White into the program. All were top40 or better talent according to RSCI. Moore (77 RSCI), Majstorovic and Fennell also look like really good talents... If they grew up in the US instead of overseas, both the international guys would have been ranked players too. Add in the imminent Kiyan Anthony commitment, and Red has pulled in more top level talent than any of JBs last 10 seasons in both of his two seasons recruiting.

Red needs to work on his in game coaching, development of players (especially defensively), handling of NIL and closing the deal on transfers. Not getting a true starter at PG in the portal appears to be hurting big time.

He's got a lot to learn, but he took an under talented poopshow of a roster to 20 wins last season, and escaped some close calls so far this season.

Red still needs time to finish remaking the program in his image before we know what the end result is going to be.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Micro Level-JB lost his last 2 to Colgate. Red is 2-0 vs Colgate.

Macro Level-It don't take 4 years in the portal era to turn it around. There's only 1 holdover from the JB Era in Bell. I'd rather win than lose these but these results wont help us in the Net and what I am seeing is a bit concerning for this season and the future.

 

[Doc5120]

Doesn't take 4 years with the transfer portal. That's ridiculous. And no he better not get 4 if there's no NCAA bid. That would be 5 in a row.

I agree that 4 years is no longer the standard. Rosters flip quite literally every year. How many guys on this roster are in year 4 at Syracuse? I think none. 3 years seems reasonable unless this season goes totally off the rails. A tournament berth next season should be the bare minimum, especially with the class we have coming in.

 

[Doc5120]

Agreed. His insight was great. He was absolutely horrified by what he saw. He knows basketball.

I'd say Devo has been the best thing about this season, to this point. He does a nice job. If you told me 10-15 years ago, he'd be doing commentary (and doing good work), I'd have thought you were crazy.