Wildhack Press Conference: 11 AM

[SUbear]

I don’t disagree with that, however I wouldn’t be surprised if they are already happening.

Do you know when Baber’s current contract expires?

No, but I do know he received an extension in 2018 after the Camping World bowl, after which he went into the toilet. We can assume a four or five year extension at that time.

 

[Cusester]

Exactly, if their not 100% rainbows and sparklers why would you expect this fanbase to be especially with Dino's track record in the back half of the season.

They're not their. Also, some people on here are like the spoiled kid on Christmas morning " what, no pony?" The team is undefeated! Enjoy it everyone!

 

[JeremyCuse]

They're not their. Also, some people on here are like the spoiled kid on Christmas morning " what, no pony?" The team is undefeated! Enjoy it everyone!

People are enjoying it, my point was that even at 5-0 to expect everyone to be 100% positive isn't realistic. No one is complaining about being 5-0 that I can see.

 

[SUbear]

They're not their. Also, some people on here are like the spoiled kid on Christmas morning " what, no pony?" The team is undefeated! Enjoy it everyone!

I for one am enjoying it very much and hoping for some additional, as I did 2018, however that does not mean I am forgetting 2019, 2020,and 2021. Dino has to do more than a flash in the pan to reinstill confidence in his stewardship of the program and win back consistent fan attendence in the dome. The best moves he has made have been staff changes which were probably forced on him.

 

[David321]

Doesn’t Dino get credit for the new coaching additions though? I was extremely hard on Dino last season, particularly for time mismanagement. But we have to give credit where credit is due. The players also seem to love him, and that does factor in.

 

[rrlbees]

Exactly, if their not 100% rainbows and sparklers why would you expect this fanbase to be especially with Dino's track record in the back half of the season.

Expectations for an Alabama are far out of whack for an SU to compare an SU to them. How about using Kansas? It’s not just one person. The tone of many of our threads are negative. You’d never know we were 5-0.

 

[SuFTW]

I for one am enjoying it very much and hoping for some additional, as I did 2018, however that does not mean I am forgetting 2019, 2020,and 2021. Dino has to do more than a flash in the pan to reinstill confidence in his stewardship of the program and win back consistent fan attendence in the dome. The best moves he has made have been staff changes which were probably forced on him.

Why would you think the staff changes were forced on Dino?
It was clear to everyone that the offense and special teams were not working. Same with the prior change on Defense.

 

[SUbear]

Why would you think the staff changes were forced on Dino?
It was clear to everyone that the offense and special teams were not working. Same with the prior change on Defense.

Clear to everyone? Apparently not Dino, he is the one who said special teams could be run without a specific coach responsible, he is the one who had hired and retained his coaches sans that bad hire at OC, and you think he made these changes without any input from the AD, who was under great pressure to fire him. Well okay then, would you like to buy a bridge I have for sale?
You are right I have no proof I could present at court, but I can put 2 and 2 together and get 4. Thus the word probably.

 

[OrangePA]

Maybe we should tell Georgia the season didn't count

For me, setting aside specific challenges that Dino and the Program faced in the wake of COVID, I look at that season this way.

Programs like Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State and Clemson were well-equipped that year to withstand the impact of the pandemic by virtue of their remarkable depth.

A team like Georgia can afford to lose players because its depth chart is loaded with 4 and 5 star talent.

A team like Syracuse University simply cannot absorb even a minimal loss of talent because of its lack of quality depth.

So, for Georgia, COVID could be surmounted fairly easily.

That was not the case with Syracuse University.

 

[SuFTW]

Clear to everyone? Apparently not Dino, he is the one who said special teams could be run without a specific coach responsible, he is the one who had hired and retained his coaches sans that bad hire at OC, and you think he made these changes without any input from the AD, who was under great pessure to fire him. Well okay then, would you like to buy a bridge I have for sale?

Wrong. The coaches didn’t work out and he moved on. You are conflating the decisions he made to hire the coaches that didn’t work and not having a dedicated special teams coordinator with wanting to keep them on when the results were clearly bad. We are talking after the fact, not before the fact.

 

[rrlbees]

Clear to everyone? Apparently not Dino, he is the one who said special teams could be run without a specific coach responsible, he is the one who had hired and retained his coaches sans that bad hire at OC, and you think he made these changes without any input from the AD, who was under great pressure to fire him. Well okay then, would you like to buy a bridge I have for sale?
You are right I have no proof I could present at court, but I can put 2 and 2 together and get 4. Thus the word probably.

What the AD did was open the checkbook.

 

[FasterCuse]

For me, setting aside specific challenges that Dino and the Program faced in the wake of COVID, I look at that season this way.

Programs like Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State and Clemson were well-equipped that year to withstand the impact of the pandemic by virtue of their remarkable depth.

A team like Georgia can afford to lose players because its depth chart is loaded with 4 and 5 star talent.

A team like Syracuse University simply cannot absorb even a minimal loss of talent because of its lack of quality depth.

So, for Georgia, COVID could be surmounted fairly easily.

That was not the case with Syracuse University.

I'd agree with your argument if we were losing players week after week with COVID, but if my shakey memory serves me correct I don't think we lost many, if any, starters all season due to COVID.


Editing this post just to say I really am a fan of Dino's personality and think he made some great hires in the off season. He's a great CEO for the team and hope he has success here. I'd like to see him around for years to come.

 

[orangecuse]

Please list the detailed anomalies that would justify removing the 10-3 year as I did to justify removing the covid year. We won some close games? This is more than a statistical analysis. This is looking at a historically unprecedented time that was rife with impacts that have never been seen before and hopefully will never be seen again and determining that what happened that year can logically be removed when analyzing overall results. Honestly, how is this even a question?

I won’t oblige.

This topic has been debated here ad nauseam in various threads over the past two years. I’m confident you are aware of the different viewpoints.

Fact is, Dino Babers’ overall ACC record is 17-35 to date. That’s what I stated was “abysmal” (“atrocious” is your chosen word you used while simultaneously/intentionally disregarding that specific particular). I stand by that opinion. Moreover, in a conference that has been mediocre at best over that stretch.

You’re free to believe as you see fit to align with your particular beliefs.

 

[SUDadx2]

Babers allegedly has 2 more years. I highly doubt they have had even a short discussion about an extension. He has to get to 6 wins this year to even guarantee the next 2.

Ok, he “allegedly had two more years”.

Is you comment that “he has to get to 6 wins this year to even guarantee the next 2” based on facts or is this also your opinion?

 

[SUbear]

What the AD did was open the checkbook.

And that too suggests he wanted changes made.

 

[SUDadx2]

So what was he doing for the first six years?

Sounds like you’re living in the past. I like where we’re are right NOW, in the present. And, I like the direction the program is headed.

We could’ve lose several games down the stretch and I still believe we are headed in the right direction.

Do you disagree the program is headed in the right direction?

 

[baggerbob]

For me, setting aside specific challenges that Dino and the Program faced in the wake of COVID, I look at that season this way.

Programs like Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State and Clemson were well-equipped that year to withstand the impact of the pandemic by virtue of their remarkable depth.

A team like Georgia can afford to lose players because its depth chart is loaded with 4 and 5 star talent.

A team like Syracuse University simply cannot absorb even a minimal loss of talent because of its lack of quality depth.

So, for Georgia, COVID could be surmounted fairly easily.

That was not the case with Syracuse University.

Their states weren't shut down by their governor, and they didn't have a complete no fans like NYS did.
We had the worst of the covic restrictions in this state, and having an enclosed arena made it worse.

 

[SUbear]

Wrong. The coaches didn’t work out and he moved on. You are conflating the decisions he made to hire the coaches that didn’t work and not having a dedicated special teams coordinator with wanting to keep them on when the results were clearly bad. We are talking after the fact, not before the fact.

You seem to have trouble understanding that their was only one coach he fired that was only here for one year, and that was the OC, which I stated(sans). The QB coach replaced by Beck had been here for more than last year. Dino made the decision to not have a coach responsible for special teams, no one else. Again I repeat I said probably in my original post which you seem to ignore or does not fit your agenda.
Since I did not make a definitive statement, but an opinion(qualified by the word probably} derived from observation, there is no right or wrong. I still believe he was strongly advised to make staff changes. You obviously do not. Okay then.

 

[SUbear]

Sounds like you’re living in the past. I like where we’re are right NOW, in the present. And, I like the direction the program is headed.

We could’ve lose several games down the stretch and I still believe we are headed in the right direction.

Do you disagree the program is headed in the right direction?

Good for you, I will be very happy if we continue to progress. I require more than this year to establish such a pattern. I fervently hope you are right. I can not forget the abject failure after 2018 however, Dino will need to sustain to convince me.
I am pleased with the season so far, and hope we can win some more.
I have seen several things that indicate we are moving in the right direction, i.e. tackling has been really good. There have also been some concerning things, i.e. too many penalties for illegal procedure, some of the coaching decisions are still questionable in my opinion, but fewer than last year. I believe we are playing better than we have for a while.
The only true measure in the end is the record at the end of the season(s).

 

[JeremyCuse]

Ok, he “allegedly had two more years”.

Is you comment that “he has to get to 6 wins this year to even guarantee the next 2” based on facts or is this also your opinion?

Its a fact, 1 winning season in 7 years isnt going to cut it. He's 5-0, 1 more win and hes probably finishing the contract, heaven help us this team somehow lost out, hes gone.

 

[SuFTW]

You seem to have trouble understanding that their was only one coach he fired that was only here for one year, and that was the OC, which I stated(sans). The QB coach replaced by Beck had been here for more than last year. Dino made the decision to not have a coach responsible for special teams, no one else. Again I repeat I said probably in my original post which you seem to ignore or does not fit your agenda.
Since I did not make a definitive statement, but an opinion(qualified by the word probably} derived from observation, there is no right or wrong. I still believe he was strongly advised to make staff changes. You obviously do not. Okay then.

Lol, wrong again and wrong on the facts and nice try at trying to walk back your original comment.

 

[OrangePA]

Their states weren't shut down by their governor, and they didn't have a complete no fans like NYS did.
We had the worst of the covic restrictions in this state, and having an enclosed arena made it worse.

Nonsense.

Your political gripes had nothing to do with Baber’s COVID challenges

 

[SUDadx2]

Its a fact, 1 winning season in 7 years isnt going to cut it. He's 5-0, 1 more win and hes probably finishing the contract, heaven help us this team somehow lost out, hes gone.

I’m glad you’re so sure of yourself.

Unfortunately your response tells me you don’t know diddly.

It’s your opinion. You’re entitled to it.

 

[Consigliere]

I won’t oblige.

This topic has been debated here ad nauseam in various threads over the past two years. I’m confident you are aware of the different viewpoints.

Fact is, Dino Babers’ overall ACC record is 17-35 to date. That’s what I stated was “abysmal” (“atrocious” is your chosen word you used while simultaneously/intentionally disregarding that specific particular). I stand by that opinion. Moreover, in a conference that has been mediocre at best over that stretch.

You’re free to believe as you see fit to align with your particular beliefs.

My response was to a different poster who used the word atrocious. Not disregarding anything. My opinion is based on an evaluation that disregards 2020 as a historical anomaly. I clearly list rationally supported impacts to justify that exclusion. Others choose to treat 2020 as a normal year and compare it to 2018. I simply am stunned by that approach and challenge those who hold it to engage in a logical discourse detailing the empirical impacts that support that position.

In my mind, the football program over Dino’s tenure has been average when viewed as a Division I team, below average as a power 5 team but using terms like abysmal or atrocious borders on inane hyperbole

 

[JeremyCuse]

I’m glad you’re so sure of yourself.

Unfortunately your response tells me you don’t know diddly.

It’s your opinion. You’re entitled to it.

Its clear you don't understand the P5 D1 landscape, this isn't Ithaca or Cortland.