Will Syracuse Football Ever Catch a Break?

[longislandcuse]

McNabb is better than Rivers. Freeney is better than Williams. Harrison may be one of the top three of all time.

How many Fiesta, Orange, Gator and Cotton Bowls has NC State played?

By the way, how old are you anyway?

What do you know about how recruit thinks?

Are you being recruited to a major college football program?

I get what you're saying but that is looking at Cuse through extremely orange colored glasses. Most recruits don't care about McNabb/Freeney/Harrison or some random nice bowl games we went to over a decade ago.

 

[TBCuse11]

I get what you're saying but that is looking at Cuse through extremely orange colored glasses. Most recruits don't care about McNabb/Freeney/Harrison or some random nice bowl games we went to over a decade ago.

Seriously. Does anyone really think a recruit cares that Marvin Harrision went here when they were in diapers? That is absolutely false. Cuse has been garbage since the day most of these kids were born pretty much. Its a tough sell job.

 

[AAM62]

I think you need to take a step back and re-evaluate Syracuse as a brand.

Historically it has a strong brand in football - but things change. It's been about 20 years since we had a strong team consistently. That's a long, long time.

When is the last time NC State had a consistently strong team? Phillip Rivers years? That wasn't too far ahead of the McNabb years

 

[SUFan44]

When is the last time NC State had a consistently strong team? Phillip Rivers years? That wasn't too far ahead of the McNabb years

That doesn't really matter.

NC State is in a much better geographic spot than Syracuse. Easier to recruit the south.

They also averaged around 53-54K fans per home game this year and got 55,000 for a game against Old Dominion. We'd be lucky to get 30K.

I'm not saying NC State is great by any stretch of the imagination. But Syracuse isn't leaps and bounds ahead with its brand like some are insinuating.

 

[TheCusian]

That doesn't really matter. NC State is in a much better geographic spot than Syracuse. Easier to recruit the south. They also averaged around 53-54K fans per home game this year and got 55,000 for a game against Old Dominion. We'd be lucky to get 30K. I'm not saying NC State is great by any stretch of the imagination. But Syracuse isn't leaps and bounds ahead with its brand like some are insinuating.

Don't mistake attendance for passion. Reports from Cuse guys who went down two years ago told the story. I think it's more of a cultural event to attend games on the south - whereas up here, it's basketball. Winning can change all that - and tends to drive passion too. But they are the 3rd or 4th most popular sports program in their own state. We are what? 1st?

And you could argue that history, NFL HoF, and Newhouse drive branding more than year to year attendance figures.

 

[chugg21]

McNabb is better than Rivers. Freeney is better than Williams. Harrison may be one of the top three of all time.

How many Fiesta, Orange, Gator and Cotton Bowls has NC State played?

By the way, how old are you anyway?

What do you know about how recruit thinks?

Are you being recruited to a major college football program?

Rivers and Williams are currently pro-bowl players so I don't think they are better right now which is the only time that matters. I'm 31 & would guess based on my age and being recruited to play baseball in college that I am much more in tune with how they think then the majority of people that really think that we are still a big time football name and that any kid really cares about McNabb or Harrison in 2015.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Russell Wilson is better than McNabb.

 

[rrlbees]

Rivers and Williams are currently pro-bowl players so I don't think they are better right now which is the only time that matters. I'm 31 & would guess based on my age and being recruited to play baseball in college that I am much more in tune with how they think then the majority of people that really think that we are still a big time football name and that any kid really cares about McNabb or Harrison in 2015.

Nobody has said SU is big time. But there is no doubt the name/brand of SU across the country is far greater than NCST. Not even close.

 

[chugg21]

Nobody has said SU is big time. But there is no doubt the name/brand of SU across the country is far greater than NCST. Not even close.

Strictly because of Jim Boeheim & the basketball team. When was the last time the football team played a meaningful game on National TV? The Freeney vs. Mount McKinnie debacle?

 

[rrlbees]

Strictly because of Jim Boeheim & the basketball team. When was the last time the football team played a meaningful game on National TV? The Freeney vs. Mount McKinnie debacle?

Including football.

 

[chugg21]

I'm guessing that the football team is #3 on the brand totem pole behind even Lacrosse. At least the people who know anything about lacrosse know that we are a powerhouse. And I looked it up November 17, 2001 was the last time that the football team was relevant nationally, #14 in the country against #1 Miami on ABC...lost 59-0.

 

[orangeinjersey]

[Dwight Shrute Voice] A real man makes his own luck - Billy Zane...Titanic [/end Dwight Shrute Voice]

 

[xc84]

Rivers and Williams are currently pro-bowl players so I don't think they are better right now which is the only time that matters. I'm 31 & would guess based on my age and being recruited to play baseball in college that I am much more in tune with how they think then the majority of people that really think that we are still a big time football name and that any kid really cares about McNabb or Harrison in 2015.

My guess is you were recruited by Syracuse to play on their baseball team.

 

[chugg21]

My guess is you were recruited by Syracuse to play on their baseball team.

You got me there. I'm not 17 but I'm also not 50 and delusional.

 

[xc84]

You got me there. I'm not 17 but I'm also not 50 and delusional.

You paint with a broad brush. One thing we have heard in quotes from recruits is how the Syracuse history...whether it be Ernie Davis, Jim Brown, The movie The Express, Donovan McNabb etc. have influenced. They said so. How much? I have no idea but you can't just generalize because you were once recruited to play baseball somewhere. Baseball is a totally different animal because MLB players are not as affiliated with colleges as e.g. NFL players. In many cases, baseball players didn't go to college at all and if they did, few know or care about it. When you talk football, it's a big deal.

 

[xc84]

I'm guessing that the football team is #3 on the brand totem pole behind even Lacrosse. At least the people who know anything about lacrosse know that we are a powerhouse. And I looked it up November 17, 2001 was the last time that the football team was relevant nationally, #14 in the country against #1 Miami on ABC...lost 59-0.

The brand is the school.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm guessing that the football team is #3 on the brand totem pole behind even Lacrosse. At least the people who know anything about lacrosse know that we are a powerhouse. And I looked it up November 17, 2001 was the last time that the football team was relevant nationally, #14 in the country against #1 Miami on ABC...lost 59-0.

You can keep knocking Syracuse, but the name is still out there. More so than NCSt which is the point. Go outside the northeast and Atlantic coast and fans will know the SU name more than NCSt and that includes football.

 

[chugg21]

Not trying to knock Syracuse whatsoever, nothing would make me happier than to be nationally relevant and I'm in complete agreement that the entirety of the country knows the name Syracuse but football has absolutely nothing to do with it for anyone under 25. Hell, I was in Cabo last week grabbing food at some sketchy Mexican Market with a Cuse hat on and one of the workers who barely spoke English started talking about Carmelo. The whole ongoing argument was that NC State is a step down from Syracuse for McDonald and that is just not the case.

 

[xc84]

The whole ongoing argument was that NC State is a step down from Syracuse for McDonald and that is just not the case.

I agree that it is not a step down except if you consider OC at Syracuse going to NC St. as WR coach. Then it is a step down. SU WR coach going to NC State is lateral move... maybe even a step up if he gets paid substantially more.

In other matters, SU has a better brand than NC State.

 

[chugg21]

I agree that it is not a step down except if you consider OC at Syracuse going to NC St. as WR coach. Then it is a step down. SU WR coach going to NC State is lateral move... maybe even a step up if he gets paid substantially more.

In other matters, SU has a better brand than NC State.

Agree completely with all points.

 

[rrlbees]

Not trying to knock Syracuse whatsoever, nothing would make me happier than to be nationally relevant and I'm in complete agreement that the entirety of the country knows the name Syracuse but football has absolutely nothing to do with it for anyone under 25. Hell, I was in Cabo last week grabbing food at some sketchy Mexican Market with a Cuse hat on and one of the workers who barely spoke English started talking about Carmelo. The whole ongoing argument was that NC State is a step down from Syracuse for McDonald and that is just not the case.

Apples and oranges talking about a WR job and which school is known more nationally.

 

[bcubs9497]

I just don't see how any of them would possibly matter outside of Ernie & Jim who are historical figures. No 18 year old recruit cares at all about going to the school that Marvin Harrison or Dwight Freeney played at unless maybe they came from the same high school or have some type of relationship with them. NC State actually destroys us in recent NFL talent with Philip Rivers alone, then add #1 overall pick Mario Williams on top of that.

You're flat out freakin' wrong. Syracuse was my son's dream school. He absolutely knows about Dwight Freeney, and Marvin Harrison, and Jim Brown, and Ernie Banks. Also, apparently, you've not ever heard of Chandler Jones or Justin Pugh.

 

[TheCusian]

Not trying to knock Syracuse whatsoever, nothing would make me happier than to be nationally relevant and I'm in complete agreement that the entirety of the country knows the name Syracuse but football has absolutely nothing to do with it for anyone under 25. Hell, I was in Cabo last week grabbing food at some sketchy Mexican Market with a Cuse hat on and one of the workers who barely spoke English started talking about Carmelo. The whole ongoing argument was that NC State is a step down from Syracuse for McDonald and that is just not the case.

I'd take being known for basketball and winning a NC over being relatively unknown in both sports like NC State.

 

[chugg21]

You're flat out freakin' wrong. Syracuse was my son's dream school. He absolutely knows about Dwight Freeney, and Marvin Harrison, and Jim Brown, and Ernie Banks. Also, apparently, you've not ever heard of Chandler Jones or Justin Pugh.

Syracuse was my dream school as well and that's because everyone in my family went there. I also imagine if I grew up more than 100 miles away & without those family ties that certainly would not have been the case. Of course they can sell those 2 as non 5 star recruits they were able to develop into 1st rounders but they are also the only 2 1st rounders since Freeney. I also am aware that Ernie Banks played for the Cubs.

 

[chugg21]

I'd take being known for basketball and winning a NC over being relatively unknown in both sports like NC State.

Who the hell is arguing that? And I most certainly prefer our history over theirs, though they have the same amount of NC's as we do. The whole argument that people have been trying to push is that we are still some football name and that McDonald moving from WR coach here to WR coach there is some sort of downgrade which is false.