Worst call ever

[Millhouse]

Obvious top me they should have given the ball to Lynch. But if they were going to do something else it should have been a bootleg. They have one of the best running QB's in the game (if not the best). You telling me Wilson couldn't have gotten the yard? Now if you are going to pass and "waste a play" as Carroll said (we'll come back to that) you do not throw the slant. Not with Russell Wilson as your QB. That is bot a throw he is good at or even attempts very often. Throw the fade to either Mathews or even your 6'5" TE and make sure its up high and them or no one. Wilson is a tremendous scrambler, very good runner and throws a really nice deep ball. He is also a very good leader. But he is not the great QB some people say he is. You make that call with Tom Brady or even Joe Flacco as your QB, not Wilson. Now back to one of the other most ignorant things I've ever heard a coach say. Pete carroll actually said they were trying to waste that play.?!?!? You have 2nd down at the 1 yard line with 30 seconds to play and it even crosses your mind to waste a play? I understand the over thinking strategy of stopping the clock if its incomplete and then being able to run and stop it with your last time out but that is stupid. Pete Carroll got caught up in how great he thinks he is. Partly because his stupid gamble at the end of the 1st half paid off.

i long thought pete carroll was an idiot. then he won a super bowl so you have to rethink it a little. but now i really think he's an idiot. who talks about wasting plays?

you could've had time to run 3 times if you need had they gotten the play in earlier in the drive

 

[tbonezone]

and how many arm chair coaches here kick the fg to end the 1st half ? 98% sound right? sometimes you gamble and it pays off. it really didn't look like a bad call imo. quick slant. not a huge risk.and it took a great defensive play to thwart it. mightta fumbled on a run. who knows?

 

[Millhouse]

So he's 45% and he gets 3 chances to carry it? I like those odds. Should have given him the damn ball.

55%x55%x55% = 17% odds of failure

i don't think defenders make a great play like that 17% of the time.

if i were going to throw, I'd do something where wilson had the choice to run it in.

i think having to call a timeout when the game clock is stopped is 100x worse than that play call. how are you having to call timeout when the game clock isn't moving?

 

[dasher]

55%x55%x55% = 17% odds of failure

i don't think defenders make a great play like that 17% of the time.

if i were going to throw, I'd do something where wilson had the choice to run it in.

i think having to call a timeout when the game clock is stopped is 100x worse than that play call. how are you having to call timeout when the game clock isn't moving?

calling time out isn't as bad as the play call. The play call cost them the championship. Not the time out.

 

[cuseincincy]

and how many arm chair coaches here kick the fg to end the 1st half ? 98% sound right? sometimes you gamble and it pays off. it really didn't look like a bad call imo. quick slant. not a huge risk.and it took a great defensive play to thwart it. mightta fumbled on a run. who knows?

Quick slant, from the 1, with a 5'10" QB = huge risk imo.

 

[Millhouse]

calling time out isn't as bad as the play call. The play call cost them the championship. Not the time out.

timeout led them feeling like they needed to throw at least once there

 

[Orangello]

Didn't he have two chances to make it? 99% likelihood.

He likely had three chances with the Seattle timeout remaining. It was second down.

 

[NKR1978]

Pete Carroll said that they "didn't want to face their goal line guys" and that they would have gone to the run on the next two plays, that they lost that time out and that running the ball "is a good thought".

I guess that explains it. :rolling:

That's Grobesque on his 7th and Goal explanation against Iowa.

 

[dasher]

timeout led them feeling like they needed to throw at least once there

the time out was not even in the same world as the awfulness of that play call.

 

[Millhouse]

the time out was not even in the same world as the awfulness of that play call.

ok

 

[Chip]

timeout led them feeling like they needed to throw at least once there

Even though they still had another timeout? Not like they needed to save one for the FG try.

You have to try to run it once. Regardless of what the stats say, he just powered the ball to the 1. So you either run him, or have Wilson on an spread option keep (like they did inside the 5 against GB two weeks ago, Wilson could have moonwalked in). If you don't get it, you call timeout, then you have 2 plays to figure it out.

 

[kuethstheman]

NE was pretty spread out. Might have been tough to bootleg but it might have been easier for Lynch to get in because there was only one LB.

 

[Millhouse]

Even though they still had another timeout? Not like they needed to save one for the FG try.

You have to try to run it once. Regardless of what the stats say, he just powered the ball to the 1. So you either run him, or have Wilson on an spread option keep (like they did inside the 5 against GB two weeks ago, Wilson could have moonwalked in). If you don't get it, you call timeout, then you have 2 plays to figure it out.

i don't think running lynch is a bad play. i've been tired of the beast mode stuff, that's all. read option is great with wilson and lynch.

 

[Chip]

i don't think running lynch is a bad play. i've been tired of the beast mode stuff, that's all. read option is great with wilson and lynch.

The Seahawks are certainly unlikeable.

But like you, football coaches doing dumb things makes me crazy.

 

[kirbivore]

Seriously. Way to overthink it Carroll - you proved you were super-clever!

Reminds me of the decision not to give Reggie Bush the ball on 4th down in the title game vs. Texas

 

[Toga]

Maybe I'm just stupid, but came someone tell me what Pete Carroll is saying here? He is using 2-3 negatives in one brief statement.

The exact question: Did offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell call a run, only to have Carroll switch that call to a passing play?

"There was not a thought about running it, and then I changed the play," Carroll said, via ESPN.com. "That did not happen."

 

[kcsu]

Im confused. I thought that George took a job at NC State. I had no idea that he landed the OC job with Seattle

 

[sufandu]

Go 3 wide on the right, fake a handoff to Lynch and let Wilson bootleg to the left. Do you think Collins stays home, or crashes the line on Lynch?

Wilson could have probably run 10 seconds off the clock he would have been so alone out there.

My first instinct when Lynch hit the ground at the one was rush to the LOS and run a sneak before New England has a chance to settle down and get in a good play. My thought if they're going to pass was the same as yours. Run play action one way roll the other way, giving Wilson the option to throw or run. At the very worst he throws it out the back of the endzone with plenty of time to get two more plays.

 

[crzdsufan]

Days later and I still can't believe this call. I'm an old time Giant fan and this call easily replaces the Joe Pisarcik call by the Giants to hand the ball off to Larry Csonka instead of taking a knee. This resulted on a fumble and the Eagles recovering and then running it in for a touchdown on the last play of the game. Brilliant!

 

[longtimefan]

Days later and I still can't believe this call. I'm an old time Giant fan and this call easily replaces the Joe Pisarcik call by the Giants to hand the ball off to Larry Csonka instead of taking a knee. This resulted on a fumble and the Eagles recovering and then running it in for a touchdown on the last play of the game. Brilliant!

Herm Edwards.

 

[Halfmooncuse]

Nobody saying anything about the failure of refs to call a pass inference call on Pats with about 7 minutes to go and led Seattle to punt and allowed Pats their winning drive. The announcers were stunned that the refs didnt call tripping on the Pats defender who reached with his hand and tripped the receiver who fell to the ground as the ball then whistled by. I thought at the time that the play would result in a last minute go ahead TD for the Pats. It did but left 202 on the clock for seattle. And the rest is history.i,

 

[Full_Rebar]

Nobody saying anything about the failure of refs to call a pass inference call on Pats with about 7 minutes to go and led Seattle to punt and allowed Pats their winning drive. The announcers were stunned that the refs didnt call tripping on the Pats defender who reached with his hand and tripped the receiver who fell to the ground as the ball then whistled by. I thought at the time that the play would result in a last minute go ahead TD for the Pats. It did but left 202 on the clock for seattle. And the rest is history.i,

That was Butler and at the time I liked Seattle's call to throw a play-action on 1st down after NE scored to make it 24-21. Credit Butler for not just lying on the ground and letting the WR catch it for a 20+ yd gain, but the refs blew it. Seattle than ran for nothing on 2nd and long and I think that's the 3rd down where Wilson overthrew Lynch on a wheel route before they kicked back? Either way the drive took less than a minute off the clock and it was crucial.

 

[Scooch]

Nobody saying anything about the failure of refs to call a pass inference call on Pats with about 7 minutes to go and led Seattle to punt and allowed Pats their winning drive. The announcers were stunned that the refs didnt call tripping on the Pats defender who reached with his hand and tripped the receiver who fell to the ground as the ball then whistled by. I thought at the time that the play would result in a last minute go ahead TD for the Pats. It did but left 202 on the clock for seattle. And the rest is history.i,

No one is saying anything about the blatant helmet-to-helmet hit on Brady that occurred during his 1st pick, either.

Missed calls happen all the time.

 

[SWC75]

Days later and I still can't believe this call. I'm an old time Giant fan and this call easily replaces the Joe Pisarcik call by the Giants to hand the ball off to Larry Csonka instead of taking a knee. This resulted on a fumble and the Eagles recovering and then running it in for a touchdown on the last play of the game. Brilliant!

Nothing will ever replace that. At least Carroll was trying to score and would have except for a great play by Butler. On the Pisarcik play, all they needed to do was take a knee. Instead they ran a play that had no purpose and botched it to lose the game.

 

[Millhouse]

No one is saying anything about the blatant helmet-to-helmet hit on Brady that occurred during his 1st pick, either.

Missed calls happen all the time.

ahem!