Your starting to see Fran and his assistants get exposed for a lack

[OburgOrange]

Let’s hope

Let’s hope? It’s happening. It’s been happening since he’s been here. You not paying attention?

 

[storange]

You want to know my real feelings about SU football……….. I’m tired .

 

[GoSU96]

you’re right. It would take a recruiter like Fran who is a great game day coach who calls plays on 1 side of the ball so they could hire a a great coordinator in the other side of the ball to actually build a winner here which is almost unattainable.

Clearly, I don’t buy Fran’s schtick.. it’s just too much for me. The goofy nonsense, the constant god and faith in your face. DART, etc etc. I think he’s full of it

Just because you don’t like his style doesn’t mean he’s a fraud. I don’t care for it either, but I’m not his audience, I just ignore it. I’m not signed up to the Fran Brown cult, but there’s been way more good than bad so far.

There’s no evidence he’s not sincere with the religious stuff, community outreach, or 360 approach to developing the players beyond football. How can you have a problem with that?

We all knew that stuff like the last couple of weeks could happen with a guy with no experience at the top. His approach is different, but he pushed a lot of right buttons last year. The game plan and approach to Clemson was top notch. One of the best all around games in program history. I can live with OJT for now.

DART is fine, it’s an organizational North Star, nothing wrong with that.

I don’t listen to the coaches show, I pay very little attention to his Monday press conferences, and have pretty much checked out of his media appearances. I’ll blow through the post game stuff.

He’s a recruiter, he’s a players coach, and he’s got the keys to build the program his way. I don’t expect perfection, just progress. Job 1,2, and 3 are talent acquisition. So far he’s done a solid job.

 

[Eric15]

Who do you think is a better coach? Doug or Fran. You got one game to win, whose your guy?

I never remember being blown away by Doug's in-game coaching skills. There were times he was just maddeningly conservative. I vaguely remember a game in the season finale against BC in 2010 when we punted down two scores with like five minutes left.

 

[swish7]

Just because you don’t like his style doesn’t mean he’s a fraud. I don’t care for it either, but I’m not his audience, I just ignore it. I’m not signed up to the Fran Brown cult, but there’s been way more good than bad so far.

There’s no evidence he’s not sincere with the religious stuff, community outreach, or 360 approach to developing the players beyond football. How can you have a problem with that?

We all knew that stuff like the last couple of weeks could happen with a guy with no experience at the top. His approach is different, but he pushed a lot of right buttons last year. The game plan and approach to Clemson was top notch. One of the best all around games in program history. I can live with OJT for now.

DART is fine, it’s an organizational North Star, nothing wrong with that.

I don’t listen to the coaches show, I pay very little attention to his Monday press conferences, and have pretty much checked out of his media appearances. I’ll blow through the post game stuff.

He’s a recruiter, he’s a players coach, and he’s got the keys to build the program his way. I don’t expect perfection, just progress. Job 1,2, and 3 are talent acquisition. So far he’s done a solid job.

The schtick bores me too.

D - not really
A - who has been accountable?
R - sometimes
T - acting

But, give me 8-10 wins, you can do whatever shtick you want. The problem is we are only winning 4ish this year & getting blown out on the regular.

He has a problem on his hands. We'll see how he responds. Be competitive against a team that is supposed to blow you out & he'll win me back.

 

[Millhouse]

What Fran brings to recruiting can't be taught. A guy can always learn to be a better game manager.

In theory

It's pretty rare

 

[RedtheGOB]

People are like Fran Brown can’t coach in game. But Also have you seen the NY Giants coaches lately or a half dozen other coaches in the NFL. They all look like idiots once in awhile or in the case of Daboll very often.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Just because you don’t like his style doesn’t mean he’s a fraud. I don’t care for it either, but I’m not his audience, I just ignore it. I’m not signed up to the Fran Brown cult, but there’s been way more good than bad so far.

There’s no evidence he’s not sincere with the religious stuff, community outreach, or 360 approach to developing the players beyond football. How can you have a problem with that?

We all knew that stuff like the last couple of weeks could happen with a guy with no experience at the top. His approach is different, but he pushed a lot of right buttons last year. The game plan and approach to Clemson was top notch. One of the best all around games in program history. I can live with OJT for now.

DART is fine, it’s an organizational North Star, nothing wrong with that.

I don’t listen to the coaches show, I pay very little attention to his Monday press conferences, and have pretty much checked out of his media appearances. I’ll blow through the post game stuff.

He’s a recruiter, he’s a players coach, and he’s got the keys to build the program his way. I don’t expect perfection, just progress. Job 1,2, and 3 are talent acquisition. So far he’s done a solid job.

All great points. Clemson is 3-4 this year and while it was a good win for sure this isn’t 2017-2018 Clemson. People are talking about that game like when Dino beat them in the dome.

I will stop with the Fran stuff. Not going to really change my opinion but I see your point.

 

[Dr. Bill]

All great points. Clemson is 3-4 this year and while it was a good win for sure this isn’t 2017-2018 Clemson. People are talking about that game like when Dino beat them in the dome.

I will stop with the Fran stuff. Not going to really change my opinion but I see your point.

Syracuse's issue this year is not Fran Brown. Coach Fran is the best thing to happen to Syracuse Football in years. He is building something here, give him time. He hit on McCord last year. He hit on Angeli this year, but missed on Collins and recognized that and went out and got Angeli. The Angeli injury combined with the Collins miss, is what has put us in the position we are in. The schedule was tough and this was going to be a tough year anyway. Unfortunately, we just have to chalk this year up to player development and depth establishment, and look forward to next year.

 

[Irt4su]

Besides the ineptitude at the end of the first half, I’m just really baffled by us essentially having one running play, one pass to the flat and one deep ball. How he can argue carney has a limited play book but then essentially allow Nixon to call three plays all game makes no sense.

 

[FrancoPizza]

In theory

It's pretty rare

Game management is a much less pressing concern than having coaches who know what schemes to dial up. Call the right plays, build up the talent, and we won’t have to worry about too many end of half farts.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Once you get into October rock fights are how you win games. I recall the 2010 season w Shafer and Marrone cooking gameplans to win a game.

Yeah I think this is an under discussed aspect of Fran’s offense to date. We need a grind it out option for our offense. Shorten the game. Seems like the same, or very similar, pass heavy offense we trot out every week. Surely that can’t be the recipe to beating every opponent on the schedule, can it?

I’ve been very high on OC Nixon, when he has a good QB he calls a great game. Just don’t understand why the run game can’t be a featured part of our offense sometimes.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Yeah I think this is an under discussed aspect of Fran’s offense to date. We need a grind it out option for our offense. Shorten the game. Seems like the same, or very similar, pass heavy offense we trot out every week. Surely that can’t be the recipe to beating every opponent on the schedule, can it?

I’ve been very high on OC Nixon, when he has a good QB he calls a great game. Just don’t understand why the run game can’t be a featured part of our offense sometimes.

He needs the offensive equivalent of Dr. Blitz.

 

[kcsu]

Just because you don’t like his style doesn’t mean he’s a fraud. I don’t care for it either, but I’m not his audience, I just ignore it. I’m not signed up to the Fran Brown cult, but there’s been way more good than bad so far.

There’s no evidence he’s not sincere with the religious stuff, community outreach, or 360 approach to developing the players beyond football. How can you have a problem with that?

We all knew that stuff like the last couple of weeks could happen with a guy with no experience at the top. His approach is different, but he pushed a lot of right buttons last year. The game plan and approach to Clemson was top notch. One of the best all around games in program history. I can live with OJT for now.

DART is fine, it’s an organizational North Star, nothing wrong with that.

I don’t listen to the coaches show, I pay very little attention to his Monday press conferences, and have pretty much checked out of his media appearances. I’ll blow through the post game stuff.

He’s a recruiter, he’s a players coach, and he’s got the keys to build the program his way. I don’t expect perfection, just progress. Job 1,2, and 3 are talent acquisition. So far he’s done a solid job.

He is 100% sincere. He's an amazing individual who will do way more than coach.

 

[AngryOtto]

Time will tell. And I have not been wrong about almost everything, people just don’t like that I don’t love Fran Brown, in fact I don’t like him at all I’ve made my opinion clear. Why? Because I don’t think he can coach either side of the ball. He’s the modern day northeast version of Ed Orgeron, IMO and he ain’t bringing that LSU type talent to Syracuse

I was not happy with some of the recent coaching decisions but without Fran we do not have the best recruits we have. They are young and will improve and develop. I agree with others if Steve is not hurt we have a least two more wins and no one but maybe you is complaining.
Dino got some diamonds in the rough but he could never develop depth. Fran is able to do that but it’s the second year. Also the D played great despite the O.
Yes he is sticking with Ricky way too long but after listening to the press conference that may be ending.
Concerning Dart I think you are way off. This team continues to fight even when the games lost. The team’s gpa is the highest it’s been and continues to rise. As an alumnus that matters that the players are succeeding in the classroom. He requires the players to save a portion of their money and invest setting them up for the future. So Dart is not some empty saying.
If you think it’s going to be better without Fran you have either not been a fan long which I do not think is that case or you should just become another Ohio State band wagon fan because we will go back to mediocrity if Fran leaves because without the recruits we will never have a chance to win long term.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Time will tell. And I have not been wrong about almost everything, people just don’t like that I don’t love Fran Brown, in fact I don’t like him at all I’ve made my opinion clear. Why? Because I don’t think he can coach either side of the ball. He’s the modern day northeast version of Ed Orgeron, IMO and he ain’t bringing that LSU type talent to Syracuse

I think in today's CFB world the HC being a good coach might be the least important thing to be. You need to recruit donors, HS kids, portal kids, and the kids on your team to stay. The COs are the coaches. We are trying the Dabo model.

I do think this type of HC will give us a lot of variance. I think our highs will be higher and our lows will be lower. If we are bouncing between 10 W and 4 W seasons, it is still the 7 W avg that a better coach will give you.

 

[David321]

I still think Fran is our guy and still want to lock him up long term. However, we are watching the birthing pains of a very inexperienced HC and it stings.

To act as if the man is above reproach and no one can criticize his decisions is a bit ridiculous imo.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I think in today's CFB world the HC being a good coach might be the least important thing to be. You need to recruit donors, HS kids, portal kids, and the kids on your team to stay. The COs are the coaches. We are trying the Dabo model.

I do think this type of HC will give us a lot of variance. I think our highs will be higher and our lows will be lower. If we are bouncing between 10 W and 4 W seasons, it is still the 7 W avg that a better coach will give you.

Good post. On another note, I think the lack of creativity with the run game is straight up mind boggling right now. Insanity really.

 

[Chip]

How many good QBs want to come to a team to be a backup

None, but... We landed a guy pre-spring, named him the starter. Then post-spring we decided to get another guy.

So in theory, this should be the way you get a QB to come and end up being a backup. And have 2 QBs you feel comfortable with.

In theory. (obviously). Imagine if Angeli went elsewhere.

 

[cusefan88]

Angeli got hurt. He's healthy the team is probably 5-2 and this thread is moot. So much stupidity. The backup QB stinks. Simple as that.

 

[shu 49]

Of experience on a weekly basis, need more adults in the room. One week it’s the offense next week it will be the defense etc. the lack of situational awareness at the end of the 1st half was worse than anything I’ve ever seen from any head coach at Syracuse.

Like I said, this staff is a bunch of sales guys trying to run the engineering department. Just not enough coaching acumen on the staff.

I truly believe Fran is over his head and will continue to be exposed.

I think with Don Brown he has a guy to help that defense and I would sign him up for co dc to help E Rob. Already a big difference. Offensively we would be 5-1 right now and not worrying about it but we are with a terrible qb. It’s tough on Nixon cause he can’t do what he wants to do so he is forcing runs where we should be throwing. It seems we are not pulling and trapping like we were at middle to end of year when we did what I call power zone. Willis needs to be a one cut guy at full speed downhill. He isn’t as effective as I thought he would be but we ain’t throwing the ball and it’s a stacked box constantly. We need to improve our screen game someway somehow. Will help with pressure and roll out once in a blue moon. Someone talked about running some jet which Clemson killed us on a few years back. Misdirection stuff so we can lighten the box a bit. Roll about with a couple guys pulling for blocking and let his legs do some work. He does have to hit his receivers better and we can win a few if he does that.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

None, but... We landed a guy pre-spring, named him the starter. Then post-spring we decided to get another guy.

So in theory, this should be the way you get a QB to come and end up being a backup. And have 2 QBs you feel comfortable with.

In theory. (obviously). Imagine if Angeli went elsewhere.

For our sake, someone needs to take the new portal restrictions to court. The proposed new and only window will hurt our chances of landing one QB let alone two. First off the season isn't over for many teams, who might have a QB leave. Second the Spring battles open up QBs too. We might not have gotten McCord or Angeli with this new system.

 

[UnknownOrange]

ok please

if you think fran is a fraud, in over his head, etc etc

genuinely who do you want to be the head coach of Syracuse?

Fran is not perfect. He is going to make mistakes. Every coach has boneheadedness to them every so often. However he won 10 games last year. You might say 'yeah Kyle McCord covered up a lot of blah blah' - great. Kyle McCord wouldn't have come here without Fran. He's only going to get better

I said before the season, I hope he has Dabos exact trajectory.

Dabo got 9 wins in his first full season, then had a set back 6-7 season immediately following (2010).

2011 and onward, Dabo & Clemson took off.

This is a young team that was 3-1 with a road win @ Clemson who lost their QB (who was the nations leading passer btw) for the year. Growing pains will happen

 

[tbonezone]

Unfortunately, we just have to chalk this year up to player development and depth establishment, and look forward to next year.

well we also need to see some COACHING development . fran's in game acumen has already cost us a couple losses.

 

[kirbivore]

I never remember being blown away by Doug's in-game coaching skills. There were times he was just maddeningly conservative. I vaguely remember a game in the season finale against BC in 2010 when we punted down two scores with like five minutes left.

He was still that way in the pros. See the Jax vs NE AFC title game where he decided to kneel on the ball with :55 seconds left before halftime.