Your starting to see Fran and his assistants get exposed for a lack

[swish7]

ok please

if you think fran is a fraud, in over his head, etc etc

genuinely who do you want to be the head coach of Syracuse?

Fran is not perfect. He is going to make mistakes. Every coach has boneheadedness to them every so often. However he won 10 games last year. You might say 'yeah Kyle McCord covered up a lot of blah blah' - great. Kyle McCord wouldn't have come here without Fran. He's only going to get better

I said before the season, I hope he has Dabos exact trajectory.

Dabo got 9 wins in his first full season, then had a set back 6-7 season immediately following (2010).

2011 and onward, Dabo & Clemson took off.

This is a young team that was 3-1 with a road win @ Clemson who lost their QB (who was the nations leading passer btw) for the year. Growing pains will happen

Not biting. Actually, what is it you want? 4-8 in year 2? All blowout losses? It potentially aligning with some random other coaches trajectory is meaningless. We are seeing the coaching decisions with our own eyeballs, and your response is to ask us to close our eyes and imagine he were Dabo Sweeney.

This is fair criticism of the coaching & coaching decisions. And everyone here, I promise you, no matter how salty the poster, want Fran to succeed.

The coaching decisions have been evident in every game in his tenure.

Growing pains? Fine. No problem. Still gonna comment on it though.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Not biting. Actually, what is it you want? 4-8 in year 2? All blowout losses? It potentially aligning with some random other coaches trajectory is meaningless. We are seeing the coaching decisions with our own eyeballs, and your response is to ask us to close our eyes and imagine he were Dabo Sweeney.

This is fair criticism of the coaching & coaching decisions. And everyone here, I promise you, no matter how salty the poster, want Fran to succeed.

The coaching decisions have been evident in every game in his tenure.

Growing pains? Fine. No problem. Still gonna comment on it though.

Yes there are coaching mistakes. Plenty of them. Fran called his end of 1H strategy his biggest mistake as HC. I think losing Steve really spiraled and that's on Fran and the coaching staff. They absolutely have to be better. ERob has taken a beating at times, but the defense looked ready after the bye... Nixon did not. Fran did not.

Hard to know exactly what decisions he is or isn't making (the onside kick at clemson was apparently the ST coach, the soft coverage vs stanford, he fell on the sword for, so idk)

What I bolded - I don't actually believe that. They want Syracuse to succeed. They have also called him a fraud. A fraud... insane

I see a lot of similarities in Dabo and Fran. It's me hoping he follows those footsteps, but i'm not saying to blindly trust that he will. It's hope. I could be completely wrong.

However, given everything Fran has shown me up until this point... I have 100% faith in him.

 

[Dr. Bill]

well we also need to see some COACHING development . fran's in game acumen has already cost us a couple losses.

What in game decisions cost us two games...which two?Don't say the decision to not run out the clock in the Pitt game.....Our offense can't score... that isn't directly Fran's fault. No one talked about his in game decisions or his coaching when we won 10 games last year...I think this questioning of Fran's coaching is BS! Talented players win game! Who among us would disagree that if we had a good QB playing right now, we would have won some more games.

 

[tbonezone]

ok let's start with pitt . cost us seven points. fran owns that mistake. now let's talk about taking points off the board going on 4th down. 2-5 smu fran owns that. there's 2 rather recent boners . need more ?

 

[Ernie4459]

I see some GRob takes in some of the posts. I’ve always thought that the whole “GRob ruined the program talk was a bit overblown.

Admittedly he was not a good head coach. But all of Marrones success was mostly done with GRobs recruits. Admittedly St. Doug came in and got way more out of those players than Robinson ever did.

But the idea that the program was in shambles is just wrong. Marrones first team arguably should’ve made a bowl game. They easily should have beaten Minnesota in his first game. Lost in overtime thanks to a bad decision by Paulus. They were beating Louisville late and punted the ball to the best punt returner in the country and he returned it for a touchdown.

2010 they go to the Pinstripe Biwl and finish 8-4. 2011 they are 5-2 after seven games and lose out!! Never understood what happened that season.

2012 they were back in the Pinstripe and are 8-4 again. Doug leaves and I would suggest the cupboard was a lot more bare when Schaffer took over. GRob couldn’t coach up his players and Marrone could. But a program that arguably could’ve made four straight bowl game in the preceding fours years after GRob doesn’t indicate the program was in shambles. Those Marrone teams that didn’t make bowls were coached by Marrone not GRob so the problems were Doug’s.

Go back and look at those rosters. The best players were all recruited during Robinsons tenure.

 

[Scooch]

None, but... We landed a guy pre-spring, named him the starter. Then post-spring we decided to get another guy.

So in theory, this should be the way you get a QB to come and end up being a backup. And have 2 QBs you feel comfortable with.

In theory. (obviously). Imagine if Angeli went elsewhere.

For sure. And us dummy fans thought Collins was at least serviceable since we were told all summer that he and Angeli were close.

Needless to say, that was nonsense.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Just because you don’t like his style doesn’t mean he’s a fraud. I don’t care for it either, but I’m not his audience, I just ignore it. I’m not signed up to the Fran Brown cult, but there’s been way more good than bad so far.

There’s no evidence he’s not sincere with the religious stuff, community outreach, or 360 approach to developing the players beyond football. How can you have a problem with that?

We all knew that stuff like the last couple of weeks could happen with a guy with no experience at the top. His approach is different, but he pushed a lot of right buttons last year. The game plan and approach to Clemson was top notch. One of the best all around games in program history. I can live with OJT for now.

DART is fine, it’s an organizational North Star, nothing wrong with that.

I don’t listen to the coaches show, I pay very little attention to his Monday press conferences, and have pretty much checked out of his media appearances. I’ll blow through the post game stuff.

He’s a recruiter, he’s a players coach, and he’s got the keys to build the program his way. I don’t expect perfection, just progress. Job 1,2, and 3 are talent acquisition. So far he’s done a solid job.

This really is a great post IMHO.

I do tend to agree with IB that the staff is getting outcoached. But I expect that. All three have primarily been position coaches that have made leaps to head coach and coordinator, respectively.

I think your last paragraph sums it up. A big part of Fran's job is getting players to come here that have not considered a program like Syracuse's in the last quarter century. He is doing that.

Hopefully with experience will come wisdom and his coaching staff will evolve into really good coaches. Only time will tell.

Like you, I don't expect perfection, just progress. And nonwithstanding the frustrations with the team this season, especially since Angeli went down, I am quite happy with where we are relative to where we were when he first took over.

 

[GoSU96]

I see some GRob takes in some of the posts. I’ve always thought that the whole “GRob ruined the program talk was a bit overblown.

Admittedly he was not a good head coach. But all of Marrones success was mostly done with GRobs recruits. Admittedly St. Doug came in and got way more out of those players than Robinson ever did.

But the idea that the program was in shambles is just wrong. Marrones first team arguably should’ve made a bowl game. They easily should have beaten Minnesota in his first game. Lost in overtime thanks to a bad decision by Paulus. They were beating Louisville late and punted the ball to the best punt returner in the country and he returned it for a touchdown.

2010 they go to the Pinstripe Biwl and finish 8-4. 2011 they are 5-2 after seven games and lose out!! Never understood what happened that season.

2012 they were back in the Pinstripe and are 8-4 again. Doug leaves and I would suggest the cupboard was a lot more bare when Schaffer took over. GRob couldn’t coach up his players and Marrone could. But a program that arguably could’ve made four straight bowl game in the preceding fours years after GRob doesn’t indicate the program was in shambles. Those Marrone teams that didn’t make bowls were coached by Marrone not GRob so the problems were Doug’s.

Go back and look at those rosters. The best players were all recruited during Robinsons tenure.

There were 8 Robinson guys on the two deep in 2012, and that includes if you count guys Marrone retained in his first class

 

[HRE Otto IV]

There were 8 Robinson guys on the two deep in 2012, and that includes if you count guys Marrone retained in his first class

Year 4 shouldn't have many guys from the last HC, even if you take over a 10-2 program. How many Marrone guys were still there in 2016? Outside of Palmer were there any major contributors?

Marrone was given Nassib, DC3, Bailey, Mike Williams, Sales, Provo, Bartholomew, Pugh on O and Smith, Holmes, Hogue, Art and Chandler, Suter, Merk on D. And I am sure I am forgetting others.

 

[Millhouse]

Game management is a much less pressing concern than having coaches who know what schemes to dial up. Call the right plays, build up the talent, and we won’t have to worry about too many end of half farts.

We don't have enough leeway

This is how we have the most loaded teams we will ever have and never get to ten wins

 

[GoSU96]

Year 4 shouldn't have many guys from the last HC, even if you take over a 10-2 program. How many Marrone guys were still there in 2016? Outside of Palmer were there any major contributors?

Marrone was given Nassib, DC3, Bailey, Mike Williams, Sales, Provo, Bartholomew, Pugh on O and Smith, Holmes, Hogue, Art and Chandler, Suter, Merk on D. And I am sure I am forgetting others.

8 guys spanning 3 potential classes. It’s a very small number.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

8 guys spanning 3 potential classes. It’s a very small number.

It would be two classes. How many Marrone guys are on the 2016 two deep?



Edit

Most classes don’t have a bunch of leftover 5th year SRs. When you change HCs the SR class in year 4 is usually very small. So 2012 would be expected to have few GRob guys.

Marrone to Shafer was a continuation so one would expect more SRs in 2016 than in 2012.

 

[BKCuse]

What is this take. We won 10 last year, momentum on the recruiting trail. Kyle McCord leaves after being the top passing single season QB in SU and ACC history and Rickie is meh in Spring? OK let's scoop Angeli out of the portal. Check. Beef the staff by bringing in Josh Gattis and others to protect succession. Check. Peña leaves? OK scoop Johntay Cook. Check. Wait, a 5 star receiver from Miami? Scoop him too. Check.

So we're struggling right now. Check. Young staff. Check. They arent over their heads. They're being tested. And long term, I trust where we're headed.

That take is the take of an unserious or biased person. Pay it no attention. We shouldn’t feed the trolls.

 

[qdawgg]

His on field decisions have been pretty bad in the last three games. His decision and the execution of the on side kick at Clemson was outstanding.
It was really bad for him and us that Angeli tore his achilles. With Collins our offense is not functional. Now we have a situation where every small or large coaching decision is magnified in importance. His play calls and decisions at the end of the half were coaching malpractice. He needs to rethink playing Collins, he has been a disaster.
With a rookie head coach, which is what Fran still is we can not expect perfect coaching decisions.
We will take a beating this year, given the situation, but I in no way want a different coach. If we still have the same problems in two years that might and probably would change.

Add in all the 4th down calls he’s made when we should have taken a FG and at least get points on the board. I don’t mind the aggressiveness when you have a McCord. But let’s not be aggressive and give up points with a QB that can’t complete a pass.

 

[richmondcuse03]

That take is the take of an unserious or biased person. Pay it no attention. We shouldn’t feed the trolls.

This is the right take. I typed out some longer responses but they’re not worth it. There are two reasons someone would post that nonsense and claim they’re a fan, and neither are worth my time. they say more about the OP than anything else.

 

[CanadianSU]

Just because you don’t like his style doesn’t mean he’s a fraud. I don’t care for it either, but I’m not his audience, I just ignore it. I’m not signed up to the Fran Brown cult, but there’s been way more good than bad so far.

There’s no evidence he’s not sincere with the religious stuff, community outreach, or 360 approach to developing the players beyond football. How can you have a problem with that?

We all knew that stuff like the last couple of weeks could happen with a guy with no experience at the top. His approach is different, but he pushed a lot of right buttons last year. The game plan and approach to Clemson was top notch. One of the best all around games in program history. I can live with OJT for now.

DART is fine, it’s an organizational North Star, nothing wrong with that.

I don’t listen to the coaches show, I pay very little attention to his Monday press conferences, and have pretty much checked out of his media appearances. I’ll blow through the post game stuff.

He’s a recruiter, he’s a players coach, and he’s got the keys to build the program his way. I don’t expect perfection, just progress. Job 1,2, and 3 are talent acquisition. So far he’s done a solid job.

1000% in on Fran. But all we really had to do was show up to Clemson with Angeli, they are horrible and we can probably stop pretending they are good. One of best wins in program history over a 3-4 team that scrapped by Troy before they played us yeah nah.

Tbf media was wrong on them too. Happens.

Regardless, this team is 5-2 with Angeli. The panic in here is over the top…

 

[qdawgg]

I see some GRob takes in some of the posts. I’ve always thought that the whole “GRob ruined the program talk was a bit overblown.

Admittedly he was not a good head coach. But all of Marrones success was mostly done with GRobs recruits. Admittedly St. Doug came in and got way more out of those players than Robinson ever did.

But the idea that the program was in shambles is just wrong. Marrones first team arguably should’ve made a bowl game. They easily should have beaten Minnesota in his first game. Lost in overtime thanks to a bad decision by Paulus. They were beating Louisville late and punted the ball to the best punt returner in the country and he returned it for a touchdown.

2010 they go to the Pinstripe Biwl and finish 8-4. 2011 they are 5-2 after seven games and lose out!! Never understood what happened that season.

2012 they were back in the Pinstripe and are 8-4 again. Doug leaves and I would suggest the cupboard was a lot more bare when Schaffer took over. GRob couldn’t coach up his players and Marrone could. But a program that arguably could’ve made four straight bowl game in the preceding fours years after GRob doesn’t indicate the program was in shambles. Those Marrone teams that didn’t make bowls were coached by Marrone not GRob so the problems were Doug’s.

Go back and look at those rosters. The best players were all recruited during Robinsons tenure.

Not accurate. He was hired 1 month or a month and a half before recruiting period ended. He then proceeded to boot 1/3 of the team in one way or another. He was so desperate for players we signed a QB from somewhere in the NE that had no stars and no offers from anybody. So despite there being some good players he had for the following year he also had almost no depth. You mentioned Paulus also, he came as a result of Marrone not while Grob was the coach.

 

[Ernie4459]

Not accurate. He was hired 1 month or a month and a half before recruiting period ended. He then proceeded to boot 1/3 of the team in one way or another. He was so desperate for players we signed a QB from somewhere in the NE that had no stars and no offers from anybody. So despite there being some good players he had for the following year he also had almost no depth. You mentioned Paulus also, he came as a result of Marrone not while Grob was the coach.

Right. You could argue he never should’ve tried with Paulus. Nassib was on the team and actually had some packages that he ran. I’d say Nassib ended up being a much better QB than Paulus. Maybe even a better point guard!!!

It’s true Marrone got rid of a lot of players when he took the job. But the key players over his four years were mainly GRob guys.

Again clearly Marrone was the better coach. But maybe not the better recruiter. And I think that helped in his decision to leave. Don’t think he enjoyed the recruiting aspect or maybe realized SU wasn’t an easy sell.

 

[Dcuse]

Brown is a corny goof who makes weird decisions, like tonight and in the Stanford game last year

But I don't care as long as he gets QBs and throws all the time. That works.

We should all just turn off the season because they're going 4-8 with backup QB. We aren't ever going to have a good backup now

So yes he's kinda dopey and it doesn't matter much when we have QB and it really doesn't matter much when we don't

How much would it take to have you never post here again? Seriously, I’ll stop contributing to my 401k. Give some to Ithaca Barrel and take him with you.

 

[Millhouse]

How much would it take to have you never post here again? Seriously, I’ll stop contributing to my 401k. Give some to Ithaca Barrel and take him with you.

I know you're not that sharp but there is an easy way for you to make that happen for yourself