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Mar 2 to Mar 4 - Bubble Discussion

Current situation (just my own opinion, I can't trust all of the brackets out there)...

Locks: 26
Houston, TCU, Creighton, Butler, Kentucky, West Virginia, Arizona, Clemson, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Virginia, Michigan State, Xavier, Villanova, Duke, Michigan, Auburn, Ohio State, Texas Tech, Wichita State, Kansas, Cincinnati, UNC, Gonzaga, Purdue, Florida

Automatic bids: 25 (I estimate that 7 of the 32 conference tourney championships will be won by a locked team)

Which leaves 17 spots available.

Ranking the Bubbles - Sagarin/KenPom/BPI = Average...Quadrant 1 record (Q2 wins, Q3 wins, Q4 wins)

In

1. Virginia Tech - 35/31/29 = 31.7...6-7 (3,4,8)
2. Miami - 29/35/33 = 32.3...5-5 (3,7,7)
3. Texas A&M - 26/32/38 = 32.0...5-7 (8,3,4)
4. Seton Hall - 28/29/30 = 29.0...4-7 (3,6,7)
5. Nevada - 36/20/26 = 27.3...2-2 (5,13,6)
6. Florida State - 39/37/37 = 37.7...6-6 (1,4,9)
7. Baylor - 22/34/34 = 30.0...4-10 (3,3,7)
8. Arkansas - 33/37/36 = 36.7...5-7 (4,6,6)
9. Louisville - 21/33/31 = 28.3...3-9 (1,8,7)
10. Notre Dame - 30/28/32 = 30.0...2-7 (4,4,7)
11. Oklahoma - 34/44/43 = 40.3...6-8 (3,3,6)
12. Saint Mary's - 32/23/22 = 25.7...1-1 (2,11,13)
13. Missouri - 43/42/50 = 45.0...5-7 (5,6,2)
14. Penn State - 40/30/28 = 32.7...3-7 (2,6,10*)
15. Texas - 37/40/42 = 39.7...5-10 (3,5,5)
16. Arizona State - 46/38/44 = 42.7...3-4 (4,8,5)
17. Kansas State - 44/43/47 = 44.7...3-7 (6,6,6)


Out

18. Middle Tennessee - 50/44/43 = 45.7...3-3 (2,7,11)
19. NC State - 47/43/48 = 46.0...5-7 (3,4,8)
20. Marquette - 46/49/45 = 46.7...4-7 (4,3,7)
21. Alabama - 53/53/54 = 53.3...5-6 (5,5,2)
22. USC - 38/46/49 = 44.3...3-6 (5,8,5*)
23. St. Bonaventure - 48/63/54 = 55.0...4-2 (3,7,9*)
24. Syracuse - 52/51/50 = 51.0...3-7 (3,8,5)
25. UCLA - 45/50/56 = 50.3...2-6 (4,8,5)
26. LSU - 71/59/63 = 64.3...6-6 (3,2,6)
27. Oklahoma State - 51/57/58 = 55.3...4-10 (4,1,8)
28. Maryland - 41/48/40 = 43.0...0-11 (2,7,9)
29. Loyola - 66/45/52 = 54.3...1-1 (3,14,7*)
30. Oregon - 48/65/65 = 59.3...2-5 (4,7,6)
31. Boise State - 57/52/53 = 54.0 ...1-2 (4,5,11)
32. New Mexico State - 70/54/71 = 65.0...1-2 (2,7,11)
33. Mississippi State - 64/62/70 = 65.3...3-7 (3,6,8)
34. Nebraska - 60/56/64 = 60.0...1-7 (3,8,10)
35. Providence - 51/71/72 = 64.7...4-8 (5,5,5***)
36. Utah - 58/61/81 = 66.7...2-5 (5,6,5)
37. San Diego State - 55/60/60 = 58.3...1-3 (2,5,9*)
38. Davidson - 67/55/39 = 53.7...2-6 (0,6,10**)
39. South Carolina - 68/77/87 = 77.3...3-9 (2,6,4)
40. Louisiana - 72/70/51 = 64.3...0-1 (1,8,15)
41. Washington - 92/97/115 = 101.3...3-5 (3,8,6)

* 1 Q4 loss
** 2 Q4 losses
*** 3 Q4 losses

Hope I'm wrong.
Only two I don’t see in are Notre Dame and Penn State.

Plus we need URI or Bona to win the A10 and Nevada win the MW.

Gonzaga over St.Marys could knock them out.
 
Temple-Tulsa really the only semi-bubble game today it looks like.

In the meantime, we could root for our computer numbers to improve with these results:

Colgate over Holy Cross 12pm

UConn over Houston 4pm

Iona over Saint Peters 7pm

Oakland over IUPUI 7:30pm
 
Temple-Tulsa really the only semi-bubble game today it looks like.

In the meantime, we could root for our computer numbers to improve with these results:

Colgate over Holy Cross 12pm

UConn over Houston 4pm

Iona over Saint Peters 7pm

Oakland over IUPUI 7:30pm

The Loyola/Ill State game may have bubble impact today if Ill State wins.
 
The Loyola/Ill State game may have bubble impact today if Ill State wins.

I suppose, I just don't see Loyola getting an at-large. There rpi is good, but when you look at their individual wins and losses, I don't think that resume would hold up in the end.
 
Only two I don’t see in are Notre Dame and Penn State.

Plus we need URI or Bona to win the A10 and Nevada win the MW.

Gonzaga over St.Marys could knock them out.

I agree with all of that except my gut is that St. Mary's would have to lose early in their tournament to get bumped. If they lose in the final they're probably in.

I don't get the case for either ND or Penn State. Penn State has an rpi of 77. I don't like the rpi but on the other hand I don't recall many at-large's getting an invite with that low of an rpi.
 
I suppose, I just don't see Loyola getting an at-large. There rpi is good, but when you look at their individual wins and losses, I don't think that resume would hold up in the end.

Their PG Custer (MVC POY) missed 5-6 games in the middle of the season and Loyola lost three of those games. With him in the lineup they're 25-2 including a road win at Florida. If the Committee takes that injury into account (not saying they will or they won't) then I'd say they're close to 50/50 to get an at-large if they lose today in a competitive game.
 
Temple-Tulsa really the only semi-bubble game today it looks like.

In the meantime, we could root for our computer numbers to improve with these results:

Colgate over Holy Cross 12pm

UConn over Houston 4pm

Iona over Saint Peters 7pm

Oakland over IUPUI 7:30pm

We have 900 games of opponent data. A few extra games of it will not move the opponent % of the formulas at this point. We can only really move it ourselves. Our RPI will not be a problem...our power numbers are mediocore.
 
UL or SU to me . if we beat Wake and both lose who gets in. I dont think both can get in without both winning the 2nd day game and one winning and the other losing probably bumps that team ahead too.. not to say we both couldnt/shouldnt be out already.
 
Current situation (just my own opinion, I can't trust all of the brackets out there)...

Locks: 26
Houston, TCU, Creighton, Butler, Kentucky, West Virginia, Arizona, Clemson, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Virginia, Michigan State, Xavier, Villanova, Duke, Michigan, Auburn, Ohio State, Texas Tech, Wichita State, Kansas, Cincinnati, UNC, Gonzaga, Purdue, Florida

Automatic bids: 25 (I estimate that 7 of the 32 conference tourney championships will be won by a locked team)

Which leaves 17 spots available.

Ranking the Bubbles - Sagarin/KenPom/BPI = Average...Quadrant 1 record (Q2 wins, Q3 wins, Q4 wins)

In

1. Virginia Tech - 35/31/29 = 31.7...6-7 (3,4,8)
2. Miami - 29/35/33 = 32.3...5-5 (3,7,7)
3. Texas A&M - 26/32/38 = 32.0...5-7 (8,3,4)
4. Seton Hall - 28/29/30 = 29.0...4-7 (3,6,7)
5. Nevada - 36/20/26 = 27.3...2-2 (5,13,6)
6. Florida State - 39/37/37 = 37.7...6-6 (1,4,9)
7. Baylor - 22/34/34 = 30.0...4-10 (3,3,7)
8. Arkansas - 33/37/36 = 36.7...5-7 (4,6,6)
9. Louisville - 21/33/31 = 28.3...3-9 (1,8,7)
10. Notre Dame - 30/28/32 = 30.0...2-7 (4,4,7)
11. Oklahoma - 34/44/43 = 40.3...6-8 (3,3,6)
12. Saint Mary's - 32/23/22 = 25.7...1-1 (2,11,13)
13. Missouri - 43/42/50 = 45.0...5-7 (5,6,2)
14. Penn State - 40/30/28 = 32.7...3-7 (2,6,10*)
15. Texas - 37/40/42 = 39.7...5-10 (3,5,5)
16. Arizona State - 46/38/44 = 42.7...3-4 (4,8,5)
17. Kansas State - 44/43/47 = 44.7...3-7 (6,6,6)


Out

18. Middle Tennessee - 50/44/43 = 45.7...3-3 (2,7,11)
19. NC State - 47/43/48 = 46.0...5-7 (3,4,8)
20. Marquette - 46/49/45 = 46.7...4-7 (4,3,7)
21. Alabama - 53/53/54 = 53.3...5-6 (5,5,2)
22. USC - 38/46/49 = 44.3...3-6 (5,8,5*)
23. St. Bonaventure - 48/63/54 = 55.0...4-2 (3,7,9*)
24. Syracuse - 52/51/50 = 51.0...3-7 (3,8,5)
25. UCLA - 45/50/56 = 50.3...2-6 (4,8,5)
26. LSU - 71/59/63 = 64.3...6-6 (3,2,6)
27. Oklahoma State - 51/57/58 = 55.3...4-10 (4,1,8)
28. Maryland - 41/48/40 = 43.0...0-11 (2,7,9)
29. Loyola - 66/45/52 = 54.3...1-1 (3,14,7*)
30. Oregon - 48/65/65 = 59.3...2-5 (4,7,6)
31. Boise State - 57/52/53 = 54.0 ...1-2 (4,5,11)
32. New Mexico State - 70/54/71 = 65.0...1-2 (2,7,11)
33. Mississippi State - 64/62/70 = 65.3...3-7 (3,6,8)
34. Nebraska - 60/56/64 = 60.0...1-7 (3,8,10)
35. Providence - 51/71/72 = 64.7...4-8 (5,5,5***)
36. Utah - 58/61/81 = 66.7...2-5 (5,6,5)
37. San Diego State - 55/60/60 = 58.3...1-3 (2,5,9*)
38. Davidson - 67/55/39 = 53.7...2-6 (0,6,10**)
39. South Carolina - 68/77/87 = 77.3...3-9 (2,6,4)
40. Louisiana - 72/70/51 = 64.3...0-1 (1,8,15)
41. Washington - 92/97/115 = 101.3...3-5 (3,8,6)

* 1 Q4 loss
** 2 Q4 losses
*** 3 Q4 losses

Hope I'm wrong.
errors:
l'vlle, penn st, notre dame are not in.
provy, ucla, nc st, usc are in.
syracuse, washington, ok st, loyola much closer to cut line than what you've listed
 
UL or SU to me . if we beat Wake and both lose who gets in. I dont think both can get in without both winning the 2nd day game and one winning and the other losing probably bumps that team ahead too.. not to say we both couldnt/shouldnt be out already.

Louisvile is in big trouble, there profile is much weaker than ours
 
as good as the noon/2pm games were the afternoon/evening games almost all went the wrong way. would've been nice if 1 of texas, ucla, marquette, or smc could have lost. We made have righted the ship, which was almost an impossible feat today, but even with that, it feels like the intangibles are lining up so we almost for sure need to win 2 to even bother watching on sunday- as most have been saying.

I think yesterday went fairly good, but inevitably your conclusion is correct. The only one that went really awry though last night was UCLA. I don't think anyone was counting on St. Mary's losing -- they probably had something like a 98% chance of winning that game going in.

Things did not go bad enough, (and it would have had to go real bad) for us to have a chance just beating Wake. But now with UNC instead of NC St., we need less help than beating NC St.

I am not giving 100% if we beat UNC, because it depends on others. but I feel really good if we do. (80%+),
 
Current situation (just my own opinion, I can't trust all of the brackets out there)...

Locks: 26
Houston, TCU, Creighton, Butler, Kentucky, West Virginia, Arizona, Clemson, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Virginia, Michigan State, Xavier, Villanova, Duke, Michigan, Auburn, Ohio State, Texas Tech, Wichita State, Kansas, Cincinnati, UNC, Gonzaga, Purdue, Florida

Automatic bids: 25 (I estimate that 7 of the 32 conference tourney championships will be won by a locked team)

Which leaves 17 spots available.

Ranking the Bubbles - Sagarin/KenPom/BPI = Average...Quadrant 1 record (Q2 wins, Q3 wins, Q4 wins)

In

1. Virginia Tech - 35/31/29 = 31.7...6-7 (3,4,8)
2. Miami - 29/35/33 = 32.3...5-5 (3,7,7)
3. Texas A&M - 26/32/38 = 32.0...5-7 (8,3,4)
4. Seton Hall - 28/29/30 = 29.0...4-7 (3,6,7)
5. Nevada - 36/20/26 = 27.3...2-2 (5,13,6)
6. Florida State - 39/37/37 = 37.7...6-6 (1,4,9)
7. Baylor - 22/34/34 = 30.0...4-10 (3,3,7)
8. Arkansas - 33/37/36 = 36.7...5-7 (4,6,6)
9. Louisville - 21/33/31 = 28.3...3-9 (1,8,7)
10. Notre Dame - 30/28/32 = 30.0...2-7 (4,4,7)
11. Oklahoma - 34/44/43 = 40.3...6-8 (3,3,6)
12. Saint Mary's - 32/23/22 = 25.7...1-1 (2,11,13)
13. Missouri - 43/42/50 = 45.0...5-7 (5,6,2)
14. Penn State - 40/30/28 = 32.7...3-7 (2,6,10*)
15. Texas - 37/40/42 = 39.7...5-10 (3,5,5)
16. Arizona State - 46/38/44 = 42.7...3-4 (4,8,5)
17. Kansas State - 44/43/47 = 44.7...3-7 (6,6,6)


Out

18. Middle Tennessee - 50/44/43 = 45.7...3-3 (2,7,11)
19. NC State - 47/43/48 = 46.0...5-7 (3,4,8)
20. Marquette - 46/49/45 = 46.7...4-7 (4,3,7)
21. Alabama - 53/53/54 = 53.3...5-6 (5,5,2)
22. USC - 38/46/49 = 44.3...3-6 (5,8,5*)
23. St. Bonaventure - 48/63/54 = 55.0...4-2 (3,7,9*)
24. Syracuse - 52/51/50 = 51.0...3-7 (3,8,5)
25. UCLA - 45/50/56 = 50.3...2-6 (4,8,5)
26. LSU - 71/59/63 = 64.3...6-6 (3,2,6)
27. Oklahoma State - 51/57/58 = 55.3...4-10 (4,1,8)
28. Maryland - 41/48/40 = 43.0...0-11 (2,7,9)
29. Loyola - 66/45/52 = 54.3...1-1 (3,14,7*)
30. Oregon - 48/65/65 = 59.3...2-5 (4,7,6)
31. Boise State - 57/52/53 = 54.0 ...1-2 (4,5,11)
32. New Mexico State - 70/54/71 = 65.0...1-2 (2,7,11)
33. Mississippi State - 64/62/70 = 65.3...3-7 (3,6,8)
34. Nebraska - 60/56/64 = 60.0...1-7 (3,8,10)
35. Providence - 51/71/72 = 64.7...4-8 (5,5,5***)
36. Utah - 58/61/81 = 66.7...2-5 (5,6,5)
37. San Diego State - 55/60/60 = 58.3...1-3 (2,5,9*)
38. Davidson - 67/55/39 = 53.7...2-6 (0,6,10**)
39. South Carolina - 68/77/87 = 77.3...3-9 (2,6,4)
40. Louisiana - 72/70/51 = 64.3...0-1 (1,8,15)
41. Washington - 92/97/115 = 101.3...3-5 (3,8,6)

* 1 Q4 loss
** 2 Q4 losses
*** 3 Q4 losses

Hope I'm wrong.

Thanks for the input. I suspect they will not be that rigid in incorporating power based ratings, but it is interesting to see where we stand if they decide it is a major factor. My guess is that they are fitting it into their evaluation like other metrics but no really emphasizing like you are. But this is a year of change so who knows.

It is interesting to see the teams that would have the bump if they invest heavily in it -- Penn St, Notre Dame, and those that would be out (NC St, USC), I think the thing with NC St as well is that it is not just 5-7, but who was in the five.


One other thing (in order to compare apples and oranges) with other current brackets:
You have 2 teams that are consensus out right now, as in.
You have 4 teams that are consensus in right now, as out.

So as of now on, your dividing line is two spots too low.

Using the "as of now" approach your method would also have NC St and Marquette in (with Middle Tennessee St as the auto).

I think you are assuming 2 bubble busters which is fine, but I am just trying to equate your rankings with the other things we see.
 
We have 900 games of opponent data. A few extra games of it will not move the opponent % of the formulas at this point. We can only really move it ourselves. Our RPI will not be a problem...our power numbers are mediocore.

Every little bit helps. A couple spots better in different categories is better than nothing. Moving to the 30's in the rpi would be nice, no team in a power conference has ever been left out with an rpi in the 30's.
 
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Every little bit helps. A couple spots better in different categories is better than nothing.

We have 900 games of opponent data. A few extra games of it will not move the opponent % of the formulas at this point. We can only really move it ourselves. Our RPI will not be a problem...our power numbers are mediocore.

And I know they don't have it as an official metric, but I always hear talk of record against teams in the tournament. So if the MAAC, Horizon, Patriot, etc. leagues are won by teams we beat, it helps.

I'm not saying these are major deciding factors, but it's just something that could help a little when it comes down to the bubble line.
 
Marquette isn’t a lock.
They could lose to DePaul and fall out.
They have good nonconference wins over Vermont, LSU, VCU.
Beat Creighton x2, Seton Hall, not much more.
They lose to DePaul again they are probably out.
 
So here was my biggest surprise from yesterday. As I spent too much time watching and posting about this stuff yesterday, I went into the office between 1 and 3 last night to catch up on a few things.

So I get home at 3:00 to my condo unit, throw on the TV for a few minutes, prep up for a few minutes in the washroom. I head to my bedroom, wiping off my face, totally undressed, and there is a random stranger in my bed drunk out of her mind. Scared the crap out of me. I must have left the door unlocked which is a bad habit I have when I only leave for a few hours.

So I ask her if she realizes where she is. She says not sure, but it's OK and just wants to continue sleep. I said I would give her a few minutes and to call someone, but she kept on sleeping. I went back to watch a bit of TV. She slept for another 45 minutes or so, she got up and we realize she was on the wrong floor... she lives on 6 and I live on 3.
 
Current situation (just my own opinion, I can't trust all of the brackets out there)...

Locks: 26
Houston, TCU, Creighton, Butler, Kentucky, West Virginia, Arizona, Clemson, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Virginia, Michigan State, Xavier, Villanova, Duke, Michigan, Auburn, Ohio State, Texas Tech, Wichita State, Kansas, Cincinnati, UNC, Gonzaga, Purdue, Florida

Automatic bids: 25 (I estimate that 7 of the 32 conference tourney championships will be won by a locked team)

Which leaves 17 spots available.

Ranking the Bubbles - Sagarin/KenPom/BPI = Average...Quadrant 1 record (Q2 wins, Q3 wins, Q4 wins)

In

1. Virginia Tech - 35/31/29 = 31.7...6-7 (3,4,8)
2. Miami - 29/35/33 = 32.3...5-5 (3,7,7)
3. Texas A&M - 26/32/38 = 32.0...5-7 (8,3,4)
4. Seton Hall - 28/29/30 = 29.0...4-7 (3,6,7)
5. Nevada - 36/20/26 = 27.3...2-2 (5,13,6)
6. Florida State - 39/37/37 = 37.7...6-6 (1,4,9)
7. Baylor - 22/34/34 = 30.0...4-10 (3,3,7)
8. Arkansas - 33/37/36 = 36.7...5-7 (4,6,6)
9. Louisville - 21/33/31 = 28.3...3-9 (1,8,7)
10. Notre Dame - 30/28/32 = 30.0...2-7 (4,4,7)
11. Oklahoma - 34/44/43 = 40.3...6-8 (3,3,6)
12. Saint Mary's - 32/23/22 = 25.7...1-1 (2,11,13)
13. Missouri - 43/42/50 = 45.0...5-7 (5,6,2)
14. Penn State - 40/30/28 = 32.7...3-7 (2,6,10*)
15. Texas - 37/40/42 = 39.7...5-10 (3,5,5)
16. Arizona State - 46/38/44 = 42.7...3-4 (4,8,5)
17. Kansas State - 44/43/47 = 44.7...3-7 (6,6,6)


Out

18. Middle Tennessee - 50/44/43 = 45.7...3-3 (2,7,11)
19. NC State - 47/43/48 = 46.0...5-7 (3,4,8)
20. Marquette - 46/49/45 = 46.7...4-7 (4,3,7)
21. Alabama - 53/53/54 = 53.3...5-6 (5,5,2)
22. USC - 38/46/49 = 44.3...3-6 (5,8,5*)
23. St. Bonaventure - 48/63/54 = 55.0...4-2 (3,7,9*)
24. Syracuse - 52/51/50 = 51.0...3-7 (3,8,5)
25. UCLA - 45/50/56 = 50.3...2-6 (4,8,5)
26. LSU - 71/59/63 = 64.3...6-6 (3,2,6)
27. Oklahoma State - 51/57/58 = 55.3...4-10 (4,1,8)
28. Maryland - 41/48/40 = 43.0...0-11 (2,7,9)
29. Loyola - 66/45/52 = 54.3...1-1 (3,14,7*)
30. Oregon - 48/65/65 = 59.3...2-5 (4,7,6)
31. Boise State - 57/52/53 = 54.0 ...1-2 (4,5,11)
32. New Mexico State - 70/54/71 = 65.0...1-2 (2,7,11)
33. Mississippi State - 64/62/70 = 65.3...3-7 (3,6,8)
34. Nebraska - 60/56/64 = 60.0...1-7 (3,8,10)
35. Providence - 51/71/72 = 64.7...4-8 (5,5,5***)
36. Utah - 58/61/81 = 66.7...2-5 (5,6,5)
37. San Diego State - 55/60/60 = 58.3...1-3 (2,5,9*)
38. Davidson - 67/55/39 = 53.7...2-6 (0,6,10**)
39. South Carolina - 68/77/87 = 77.3...3-9 (2,6,4)
40. Louisiana - 72/70/51 = 64.3...0-1 (1,8,15)
41. Washington - 92/97/115 = 101.3...3-5 (3,8,6)

* 1 Q4 loss
** 2 Q4 losses
*** 3 Q4 losses

Hope I'm wrong.


I guess I'm not a fan of only using Kenpom, BPI, and Sagarin as deciding metrics. Penn State has a NCSOS of 255 and an overall SOS of 74. They have 6 top 100 wins and and 4 sub 100 losses. They aren't getting in, and using only those three metrics gives them a deceivingly better shot than they really have. At least IMO.
 
So here was my biggest surprise from yesterday. As I spent too much time watching and posting about this stuff yesterday, I went into the office between 1 and 3 last night to catch up on a few things.

So I get home at 3:00 to my condo unit, throw on the TV for a few minutes, prep up for a few minutes in the washroom. I head to my bedroom, wiping off my face, totally undressed, and there is a random stranger in my bed drunk out of her mind. Scared the crap out of me. I must have left the door unlocked which is a bad habit I have when I only leave for a few hours.

So I ask her if she realizes where she is. She says not sure, but it's OK and just wants to continue sleep. I said I would give her a few minutes and to call someone, but she kept on sleeping. I went back to watch a bit of TV. She slept for another 45 minutes or so, she got up and we realize she was on the wrong floor... she lives on 6 and I live on 3.
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So here was my biggest surprise from yesterday. As I spent too much time watching and posting about this stuff yesterday, I went into the office between 1 and 3 last night to catch up on a few things.

So I get home at 3:00 to my condo unit, throw on the TV for a few minutes, prep up for a few minutes in the washroom. I head to my bedroom, wiping off my face, totally undressed, and there is a random stranger in my bed drunk out of her mind. Scared the crap out of me. I must have left the door unlocked which is a bad habit I have when I only leave for a few hours.

So I ask her if she realizes where she is. She says not sure, but it's OK and just wants to continue sleep. I said I would give her a few minutes and to call someone, but she kept on sleeping. I went back to watch a bit of TV. She slept for another 45 minutes or so, she got up and we realize she was on the wrong floor... she lives on 6 and I live on 3.
Go on...
 

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