12 Team Playoff Coming

[SWC75]

Well then the FBS shouldn't recognize those conferences and problem solved. Don't water down the product.

I'm all for combining the Group of Five with FCS, from whence they came. But until it happens, all the conference champs in a division should be int he playoff.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I'm all for combining the Group of Five with FCS, from whence they came. But until it happens, all the conference champs in a division should be int he playoff.

Putting a team that we would use as cannon fodder up against a team that would consider us as cannon fodder is just a waste of everyone's time. Life isn't fair they can drop down to FCS if they don't like it.

 

[Entropic]

This would mean more games being played right? I'm always down for more football games being played.

 

[SWC75]

Putting a team that we would use as cannon fodder up against a team that would consider us as cannon fodder is just a waste of everyone's time. Life isn't fair they can drop down to FCS if they don't like it.

But they won't and the NCAA has no means to make them.

And the champions of the Group of Five would not be 'cannon fodder' to us and some of them could give the top teams an interesting time, as Cincinnati has done the last couple of years. They lost to Georgia 21-24 and Alabama 6-27. Those schools have one a lot worse to power conference teams and sure would to us, as well.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Hate the format. Crazy that a team like Clemson can go from a 9 seed to a 4 seed because they are the 4th best conference champ.

Also playing in 3 Bowl games is so unfair to the fans. You need to make travel plans on the fly 3x. The 2nd round should be at home also. Plus it protects the Top seeds. Let the season mean something.

Only Clemson isn't the 4th best conference champ this year. They're the 5th best.

1. Georgia (SEC)
2. Michigan (B10)
3. TCU (B12)
4. USC (P12)

Chances are if the ACC Champ is one of the 4th best, they won't be ranked as far down as 9th in the first place.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

But they won't and the NCAA has no means to make them.

And the champions of the Group of Five would not be 'cannon fodder' to us and some of them could give the top teams an interesting time, as Cincinnati has done the last couple of years. They lost to Georgia 21-24 and Alabama 6-27. Those schools have one a lot worse to power conference teams and sure would to us, as well.

A team like Cincy would make the 12 team playoff so that is a silly argument. The teams you are advocating for aren't even Top 40 teams. Also after the next round of expansion it gets worse as the good G5 are becoming P5.

A team like 8 seed Penn State has zero chance of winning at UGA. You want to have Ohio play at UGA why? The backups will be in for the 2nd Q. And yes Ohio playing at SU would be a game we should win 99% of the time.

How do you fit 8 playoff games into a weekend? You do not want games starting at the same time. The best you can do is...

Friday 7:15 and 9:00
Saturday 12:15, 2:00, 3:45, 5:30, 7:15, 9:00

That way when the earlier game is starting the 3rd Q, the later is starting its game. FCS doesn't have that issue because no one watches those games. There isn't big TV money. NFL doesn't have that issue as they have 3 games Saturday and 3 games Sunday with no overlap.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Only Clemson isn't the 4th best conference champ this year. They're the 5th best.

1. Georgia (SEC)
2. Michigan (B10)
3. TCU (B12)
4. USC (P12)

Chances are if the ACC Champ is one of the 4th best, they won't be ranked as far down as 9th in the first place.

I am saying IF TCU or USC were to lose. That is totally plausible. Or even #10 K State or #11 Utah jumping ahead of Clemson to get the 4 seed. All three are too big of a jump, but all are in play going into tomorrow.

 

[mscanlo]

I am saying IF TCU or USC were to lose. That is totally plausible. Or even #10 K State or #11 Utah jumping ahead of Clemson to get the 4 seed. All three are too big of a jump, but all are in play going into tomorrow.

Clemson would likely move up in that scenario. Plus, if protects everyone from a scenario that SEC locks up more than 1 of the top 4 seeds, (due to the love of the SEC teams) and subjective arguments over if someone's 3rd place team is better than a P5 conference champ

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Clemson would likely move up in that scenario. Plus, if protects everyone from a scenario that SEC locks up more than 1 of the top 4 seeds, (due to the love of the SEC teams) and subjective arguments over if someone's 3rd place team is better than a P5 conference champ

Another weird scenario is UGA loses to LSU and one of TCU/USC loses. That means UGA goes from #1 to #5 and Clemson/K State/Utah move up to 4.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I think if you are going to have all conf champs in the playoff, you need to either go from 16 down to 12, or 20 down to 16. In both cases you have a 1st four (like BBall play in games) with the 4 worst conference champs hosting the 4 worst at larges.

For example...

16 teams
Boise State hosts Utah
Coastal Carolina hosts K State
Ohio hosts Penn State
UTSA hosts Tennessee
Then you have your 12 team playoff

You make both the poor quality conference champs and the weaker at large teams earn the right to move on. You reward the conf champ with a home game, which would be a bit like the FA Cup. Using this format means only 4 games in a given weekend which is perfect for TV.

20 teams
Boise State hosts LSU
Coastal Carolina hosts Oregon State
Ohio hosts FSU
UTSA hosts Washington
Then you have your 16 team playoff

I think 20 teams is too many though. It also means an 8 game weekend for the 1st round.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I would think that January 1st for the Qs and 11th for the Semis. That splits it up nicely and keeps January 1st tradition.

 

[storange]

Let’s see… I think it breaks down
Top 8 SEC schools automatic
Other P5 conferences get 3 spots
G of 5 get 1

 

[Scooch]

I, for one, enjoyed how they put the screws to the Rose Bowl people to get this done.

More teams, more football, more potential inclusion for SU. What's not to love?

 

[MikeSU02]

Good. It's done. Nothing will be perfect, but at least it's a plan and set.

 

[Scooch]

One question... does this mean that ND can never be in the top 4?

 

[All4SU]

Once they broke loose the NIL, and folks decided they were no longer really student athletes, they figured they can play as many games as they want. I expect academic requirements to be the next domino to fall. I mean if you’re playing all of these games who has time to study microbiology?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

One question... does this mean that ND can never be in the top 4?

Yes, but they get greater access.

2021 they get the 6 seed vs being left out
2020 (if you want to count it) they get the 5 seed vs the 4 seed
2018 they get the 5 seed vs the 3 seed
2015 they get the 8 seed vs being left out

 

[SmilinBob]

Go to a per game basis, like basketball does.

Thanks Steve.

 

[NJneer12]

This is good for Syracuse. It opens up recruiting and the portal as bluechips will realize you don't need to go to only those top 10 teams. More teams have an opportunity to make the CFP.

Imagine Cuse as a 10 or 12 seed. We would go absolutely bonkers. Win or lose (and yeah, we'll probably lose. But crazier things have happened).

Also no bye for Notre Dame. Excellent move.

So if it started this year. All the favorite wins including USC beats Utah and Tulane is the G5 pick.

I wonder how much does Clemson move pass idle (#5 to #8) from #9? I think 6 is the highest they can go, worst case stay at 9.

I wonder who out of the losers of the conference game would get in. Some combo of Kansas State/Utah and Washington/Florida State get in at #10 and #11?

12 Tulane at 5 Ohio State
11 KSU/Utah? at 6 Clemson
10 Washington at 7 Alabama
9 Penn State at 8 Tennessee

 

[Scooch]

I was just noodling around and found this interesting...

The number of "haves" has increased. In 1998 there were 62 "have" programs, in the sense that they were in one of the 6 conferences that had an auto-bid to the BCS.

When this new CFP format launches there will be 68 "have" programs, meaning they are in one of the five Power 5 conferences that will almost certainly get an auto-bid every season.

If you're curious, the 6 programs that graduated to "have" status are: UCF, BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, TCU and Utah.

Also worth noting that the auto-bid for the 6th best conference likely means another 40 schools are "quasi-sorta-kinda-haves". I figure that 6th bid is going to come from either the American (14 teams, and is weaker going forward due to their losses), the Sun Belt (14 teams), or the Mountain West (12 teams).

So people will complain about the SEC getting 3 teams in the 12 every year. But all things considered this is the most egalitarian that college football has been in forever.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This is good for Syracuse. It opens up recruiting and the portal as bluechips will realize you don't need to go to only those top 10 teams. More teams have an opportunity to make the CFP.

Imagine Cuse as a 10 or 12 seed. We would go absolutely bonkers. Win or lose (and yeah, we'll probably lose. But crazier things have happened).

Also no bye for Notre Dame. Excellent move.

So if it started this year. All the favorite wins including USC beats Utah and Tulane is the G5 pick.

I wonder how much does Clemson move pass idle (#5 to #8) from #9? I think 6 is the highest they can go, worst case stay at 9.

I wonder who out of the losers of the conference game would get in. Some combo of Kansas State/Utah and Washington/Florida State get in at #10 and #11?

12 Tulane at 5 Ohio State
11 KSU/Utah? at 6 Clemson
10 Washington at 7 Alabama
9 Penn State at 8 Tennessee

I don't think Clemson beating UNC, who is on a 2 game losing streak, will get them to jump anyone but Penn State. I think Utah with a loss is out. Not sure why they jumped so high from last week. As if the weird P12 tie breaker has meaning. Why are they ahead of Washington, or even Oregon for that matter? Which means FSU maybe sneaks in. Are you taking a 4 L team ahead of them?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I was just noodling around and found this interesting...

The number of "haves" has increased. In 1998 there were 62 "have" programs, in the sense that they were in one of the 6 conferences that had an auto-bid to the BCS.

When this new CFP format there will be 68 "have" programs, meaning they are in one of the five Power 5 conferences that will almost certainly get an auto-bid every season.

If you're curious, the 6 programs that graduated to "have" status are: UCF, BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, TCU and Utah.

Also worth noting that the auto-bid for the 6th best conference likely means another 40 schools are "quasi-sorta-kinda-haves". I figure that 6th bid is going to come from either the American (14 teams, and is weaker going forward due to their losses), the Sun Belt (14 teams), or the Mountain West (12 teams).

So people will complain about the SEC getting 3 teams in the 12 every year. But all things considered this is the most egalitarian that college football has been in forever.

If you are using 1998, then Louisville is another.

Poor Temple got left behind. I believe they are the only one to lose status from 1998. But if you go to the BCS in general, you can add UConn and USF to the list.

 

[KaiserUEO]

With texas & okie in the SEC and usc and UCLA in the b1g….the ACC champ is basically guaranteed to always be 1 of the top 3 seeds.