2018 Yankees Thread...

[OttoinGrotto]

I have an Andy Pettitte bobblehead from a stadium trip I cherish to this day.

 

[AirForceOrange]

Knowing the Yankees they will make a godfather offer for Scherzer and Harper.
I will always expect a team to give stuff away to New York that is why I said Toronto and Baltimore actually did well and it was the Red Sox paid nothing for Eovaldi.

According to this, it doesn't seem like Toronto did as well as you think...but keep that broken record going...

Law's trade take: Average-ish Happ a low-cost upgrade for Yanks

The Jays' return here is rather disappointing, even for a rental. Brandon Drury is a solid bench player who can play third and first and maybe fill in at second (not well, but enough to stand there) and provide some OBP and a little pop in a reserve role. There's a small chance he could be a regular at third if he finds another full grade of power, but he topped out at 16 homers even while playing for Arizona, and he's reaching the age where it becomes unlikely. You hope you can Max Muncy a guy like this, but only if you've added him for free, not as the main piece in a trade.

Billy McKinney is now on his fourth organization since he was the 24th overall pick in the 2013 draft -- he's been included in trades involving Jeff Samardzija, Aroldis Chapman and now Happ. He had a beautiful swing in high school, but hasn't developed much power and hasn't hit for enough average to profile as even a below-average regular in left. He's hitting just .230/.294/.502 this year for Triple-A Scranton Wilkes-Barre, and can't handle center or right, so barring some complete change in his swing and/or approach, I don't see a role for him. I thought that the Jays would land at least one solid prospect for Happ, but either the market didn't offer one or they chose to take Drury instead of someone with higher ceiling.

 

[Alsacs]

According to this, it doesn't seem like Toronto did as well as you think...but keep that broken record going...

Law's trade take: Average-ish Happ a low-cost upgrade for Yanks

The Jays' return here is rather disappointing, even for a rental. Brandon Drury is a solid bench player who can play third and first and maybe fill in at second (not well, but enough to stand there) and provide some OBP and a little pop in a reserve role. There's a small chance he could be a regular at third if he finds another full grade of power, but he topped out at 16 homers even while playing for Arizona, and he's reaching the age where it becomes unlikely. You hope you can Max Muncy a guy like this, but only if you've added him for free, not as the main piece in a trade.

Billy McKinney is now on his fourth organization since he was the 24th overall pick in the 2013 draft -- he's been included in trades involving Jeff Samardzija, Aroldis Chapman and now Happ. He had a beautiful swing in high school, but hasn't developed much power and hasn't hit for enough average to profile as even a below-average regular in left. He's hitting just .230/.294/.502 this year for Triple-A Scranton Wilkes-Barre, and can't handle center or right, so barring some complete change in his swing and/or approach, I don't see a role for him. I thought that the Jays would land at least one solid prospect for Happ, but either the market didn't offer one or they chose to take Drury instead of someone with higher ceiling.

I mean cmon AFO I like you we can have a friendly disagreement.
The rivalry can be a respectful disagreement. 18 year old me hated the Yankees like they were the Evil Empire now it’s just a Harvard-Yale rivalry. I always thought the Yankees never hated the Sox like the other way. You giving it hard.

I think if you look at the contenders
Houston/Boston/Cleveland none of them were in the market for playoff caliber SP.

In the NL really it was the Cubs as the NL East teams aren’t spending or the West teams. Thus it wasn’t really a sellers market for SP.

I think the Blue Jays did well and if you want to cite Law he gave the Orioles a lot of credit for their Britton haul.
Again Drury is a good haul they got a lot of control over him and he isn’t a bum. The Yankees did the same thing with Didi Gregorius when he struggled in Arizona and saw he had upside.
Also if the Yankees wouldn’t have traded McKinley if they knew they could have an injury to the OF. He was depth.

 

[Fly Rodder]

The Jays did as well as they could expect for two months (~10 starts) of a rental. The Yankees have strong depth in the farm and they gave up nothing of note for their team, but all these kids who were traded have future value.

Happ isn't that great, but he'll slot in around 4th in the Yankees rotation. The Jays get two guys who they can plug into the MLB lineup during a rebuild for essentially no money. Law's take on McKinney is pretty short sighted, which is surprising for him. I don't know how a kid with a .500 SLG in AAA can be considered no power. McKinney won't ever likely be a long term starter, but he will get a 3-5 year ML career and then a few years as a strict platoon bat.

Frazier doesn't have a 2nd concussion, he has post-concussion migraines. Supposedly he's resuming light activities this week.

 

[bpo57]

According to this, it doesn't seem like Toronto did as well as you think...but keep that broken record going...

Law's trade take: Average-ish Happ a low-cost upgrade for Yanks

The Jays' return here is rather disappointing, even for a rental. Brandon Drury is a solid bench player who can play third and first and maybe fill in at second (not well, but enough to stand there) and provide some OBP and a little pop in a reserve role. There's a small chance he could be a regular at third if he finds another full grade of power, but he topped out at 16 homers even while playing for Arizona, and he's reaching the age where it becomes unlikely. You hope you can Max Muncy a guy like this, but only if you've added him for free, not as the main piece in a trade.

Billy McKinney is now on his fourth organization since he was the 24th overall pick in the 2013 draft -- he's been included in trades involving Jeff Samardzija, Aroldis Chapman and now Happ. He had a beautiful swing in high school, but hasn't developed much power and hasn't hit for enough average to profile as even a below-average regular in left. He's hitting just .230/.294/.502 this year for Triple-A Scranton Wilkes-Barre, and can't handle center or right, so barring some complete change in his swing and/or approach, I don't see a role for him. I thought that the Jays would land at least one solid prospect for Happ, but either the market didn't offer one or they chose to take Drury instead of someone with higher ceiling.

Maybe the demand for Happ from other MLB teams was not all that strong?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The Jays did as well as they could expect for two months (~10 starts) of a rental. The Yankees have strong depth in the farm and they gave up nothing of note for their team, but all these kids who were traded have future value.

Happ isn't that great, but he'll slot in around 4th in the Yankees rotation. The Jays get two guys who they can plug into the MLB lineup during a rebuild for essentially no money. Law's take on McKinney is pretty short sighted, which is surprising for him. I don't know how a kid with a .500 SLG in AAA can be considered no power. McKinney won't ever likely be a long term starter, but he will get a 3-5 year ML career and then a few years as a strict platoon bat.

Frazier doesn't have a 2nd concussion, he has post-concussion migraines. Supposedly he's resuming light activities this week.

Drury has value - just not to the Yankees, now or in the immediate future.

I think it's a fair trade.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I actually think it’s a testiment to how deep the Yankees farm system had become because of Cashman making good trades and the player development system.

I never said the Yankees traded their top prospects. I just said the guys they traded weren’t fringe prospects they are good hauls for Toronto and Baltimore who don’t have good farm systems.

Top 10 farm systems ranking by MLB Pipeline

blue jays have a top ten farm system including two top ten prospects in Vlad Guerero Jr (number 1 overall prospect in mILB) and Bo Bichette. I think Baltimore's is garbage though

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Jack Curry‏ @JackCurryYES

On the Yankee game notes, Happ is listed as the starter for Sunday's game against KC. Tanaka, who was slated to start, would presumably be pushed to Tuesday versus the Orioles. That would mean Happ would likely pitch vs Boston on August 4. He's 4-1 w/ 1.78 vs Boston since 2015.

Also, if the Yankees stay on turn, they would throw Sabathia, Severino, Happ and Tanaka in the 4-game series versus Boston next week. Gray would miss the Red Sox and would pitch the opener of the next series against the White Sox.

Boone said the estimate is that Judge could return and play in a game in 3 weeks. Called that a "realistic timeline." Said that Judge would start taking some "dry swings" in about a week.

Boone said Stanton will get the bulk of the reps in the number two hole in the lineup, which is the spot where Judge had been entrenched.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[MSOrange]

Max Scherzer is going to be 34.
If they want to pay Harper he could be moved.

Gosh I didn't realize Max was quite that old. He's at 154 wins now. If he makes 200, HOF?

 

[Alsacs]

Gosh I didn't realize Max was quite that old. He's at 154 wins now. If he makes 200, HOF?

He or Chris Sale are the best pitchers in baseball. So I would say yes.
He has 3 Cy Youngs already.
Kershaw has come back this year.

Current pitchers on track for HOF King Felix, Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander.

 

[Noexcuse]

He or Chris Sale are the best pitchers in baseball. So I would say yes.
He has 3 Cy Youngs already.
Kershaw has come back this year.

Current pitchers on track for HOF King Felix, Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander.

CC

 

[PoppyHart]

Did all the extra rest mess with Seve's rhythm? His last outing before the ASG in Cleveland was meh, but he's been awful post ASG.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Did all the extra rest mess with Seve's rhythm? His last outing before the ASG in Cleveland was meh, but he's been awful post ASG.

He wasn't that great heading into the break either.

I'm a little worried. Confident he'll get back in rhythm, but a little worried. We need him to be a lock.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Good Didi

Bad Gleybar

 

[OrangeXtreme]

And that would have scored Gleybar anyways.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Pitching since the asb has been awful

 

[Noexcuse]

Playing .500 ball. Against the dregs.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Noexcuse]

Good thing the Yankees had an off day yesterday and have one on Monday. It will give Boone an opportunity to rest guys in today's double header.