2020-21 ny mets thread

[UnknownOrange]

Springer to Toronto seems to have a lot of people all worked up.. To me CF upgrade was a nice thing but not close to a need thing. I am more in the get all the pitching you can world.. the offense was fine last yr and we upgraded 2 spots in a big way. Another starter is fine and Rlvr is fine..

Sign Bauer for one yr if they want, to work around Cap issues, but he probably still wants too much.

Once we got Lindor, Springer became a nice to have not a need to have. If they didn't swing that trade I can't imagine they would lose a bidding war, but I wouldn't want Springer getting 6 years when he'll only be in CF for 3 more years

 

[OrangeFoo]

Once we got Lindor, Springer became a nice to have not a need to have. If they didn't swing that trade I can't imagine they would lose a bidding war, but I wouldn't want Springer getting 6 years when he'll only be in CF for 3 more years

Yep... Springer is a really good player but I don't think he will make or break the Mets. Bauer on other hand could have a huge impact because of the ripple effect it would have on preserving the pen. I think they can get by with Nimmo at CF for one more year.

With the Lucchesi trade yesterday the Mets might be done making big moves.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Yep... Springer is a really good player but I don't think he will make or break the Mets. Bauer on other hand could have a huge impact because of the ripple effect it would have on preserving the pen. I think they can get by with Nimmo at CF for one more year.

With the Lucchesi trade yesterday the Mets might be done making big moves.

My guess is Bauer goes to the Angels. I'd love him on a 2 year deal but for the most part of his career he has been meh.

I think the Mets definitely get Brad Hand now. JBJ is the obvious choice at CF. I wish the MLB would make a damn ruling on the NLDH because if it's a go that would be HUGE for a team like the Mets.

Nimmo in LF, JBJ in CF, Conforto in RF, Dom/Pete at 1B/DH is very solid.

I think the Mets offseason ends with Hand/JBJ/Kike Hernandez for depth

 

[upperdeck]

Just get a CF for the depth, figure out the DH and add a pitcher or 2 more.

Nimo is fine.. he is cheap, he plays hard, you lose a few plays on D but you probably get 2-3 more players with the money saved.

 

[Briancuse]

Yep... Springer is a really good player but I don't think he will make or break the Mets. Bauer on other hand could have a huge impact because of the ripple effect it would have on preserving the pen. I think they can get by with Nimmo at CF for one more year.

With the Lucchesi trade yesterday the Mets might be done making big moves.

I wanted Springer. We have two outfielder on the roster right now and no c.f.. I'd go get Jackie Bradley jr.

 

[Briancuse]

Just get a CF for the depth, figure out the DH and add a pitcher or 2 more.

Nimo is fine.. he is cheap, he plays hard, you lose a few plays on D but you probably get 2-3 more players with the money saved.

Nimmo is not a cf. I guess at this point you go get bradley jr and put Nimmo in lf even though that is a pretty weak offensive of.

 

[upperdeck]

if you can get the DH then Smith/Alanso split that.. Smith played Ok in left at times. Cano wont eat up DH Abs this yr.

 

[sutomcat]

1​	Robinson Cano	38	2B	Vet		$24,000,000	-	-	-	12.72%	$24,000,000
2​	Francisco Lindor	27	SS	Arb 3		$22,300,000	-	########​	########​	11.82%	22,300,000
3​	Jacob deGrom	33	SP	Vet		$33,500,000	########​	########​	########​	11.55%	21,780,000
4​	Marcus Stroman	30	SP	Vet	2	$18,900,000	-	########​	########​	10.02%	18,900,000
5​	Jeurys Familia	31	RP	Vet		$11,000,000	########​	########​	########​	5.30%	10,000,000
6​	Michael Conforto	28	RF	Arb 3	2	$12,250,000	-	########​	########​	6.49%	12,250,000
7​	Carlos Carrasco	34	SP	Vet		$12,000,000	-	########​	########​	6.23%	11,750,000
8​	Noah Syndergaard	28	SP	Arb 4	2	$9,700,000	-	########​	########​	5.14%	9,700,000
9​	James McCann	31	C	Vet		$8,000,000	########​	########​	########​	5.38%	10,150,000
10​	Trevor May	31	RP	Vet		$7,750,000	-	########​	########​	4.11%	7,750,000
11​	Edwin Diaz	27	RP/CL	Arb 2	3	$7,000,000	-	########​	########​	3.71%	7,000,000
12​	Dellin Betances	33	RP	Vet		$6,000,000	-	########​	########​	3.18%	6,000,000
13​	Steven Matz	30	SP	Arb 3	1	$5,200,000	-	########​	########​	2.76%	5,200,000
14​	Brandon Nimmo	28	CF	Arb 2	1	$4,700,000	-	########​	########​	2.49%	4,700,000
15​	Seth Lugo	31	RP	Arb 2	2	$2,925,000	-	########​	########​	1.55%	2,925,000
16​	Dominic Smith	26	1B	Arb 1	2	$2,550,000	-	########​	########​	1.35%	2,550,000
17​	J.D. Davis	28	OF	Arb 1	2	$2,300,000	-	########​	########​	1.22%	2,300,000
18​	Brad Brach	35	RP	Vet		$1,250,000	-	########​	########​	1.10%	2,075,000
19​	Miguel Castro	26	RP	Arb 2		$1,687,500	-	########​	########​	0.89%	1,687,500
20​	Guillermo Heredia	30	CF	Arb 2	2	$1,000,000	-	########​	########​	0.53%	1,000,000
21​	Jose Martinez	32	1B	Arb 2	2	$1,000,000	-	########​	########​	0.53%	1,000,000
22​	Jacob Barnes	31	RP	Arb 2		$750,000	-	########​	########​	0.40%	750,000
23​	Pete Alonso	26	1B	Pre-Arb	3	-	-	-	-	0.30%	575,000
24​	Luis Guillorme	26	SS	Pre-Arb	1	-	-	-	-	0.30%	575,000
25​	Jeff McNeil	29	3B	Pre-Arb	3	-	-	-	-	0.30%	575,000
26​	Tomas Nido	27	C	Pre-Arb		-	-	-	-	0.30%	575,000
27​	David Peterson	25	P	Pre-Arb		-	-	-	-	0.30%	575,000

Above is how the 2021 payroll looks as of today. Total payroll is a little under $189 million.

Assume some of the young players will be eligible for arbitration and will get raises. Guys like Smith and Davis are not going to be cheap to sign. Even Castro is going to get a big raise. Probably looking at another $10 million there at least.

Now let's assume you want to extend Conforto and Lindor. Let's assume they are fairly reasonable to deal with and sign (doubtful, Boros is Conforto's agent). Best case would be $30 million a year for Lindor, let's say $25 million for Conforto. Let's say Syndergaard comes back in June and does reasonably well. Let's say he is willing to sign for $16 million a year.

That is another $28 million or so added to the payroll for extensions. Total of $38 million counting arbitration raises.

How do you handle these extensions, retain your best talent and add Springer with his $30 million a year salary Toronto just signed him to?

Unless they cut some salary, we are looking at a payroll for 2021 of around $227 million. Springer would take the payroll is around $257 million. McNeil and Alonso are eligible for arbitration in 2022.

There are challenges. Cano doesn't come off the books until 2024. This is why that trade was the most moronic trade in the history of professional sports. Ugh.

 

[Briancuse]

if you can get the DH then Smith/Alanso split that.. Smith played Ok in left at times. Cano wont eat up DH Abs this yr.

Even though I was anti dh for years, I am hoping for it too, rotate Dom and Pete at 1b/Dh, Dom can play lf if needed but it isn't ideal, we need a cf badly.

 

[sutomcat]

Even though I was anti dh for years, I am hoping for it too, rotate Dom and Pete at 1b/Dh, Dom can play lf if needed but it isn't ideal, we need a cf badly.

There is a report that some CF candidates for the Mets are asking questions about how many ABs they will get if the DH is not used in the NL this year. This is happening all over. Many positions, besides players who are DHs are affected.

The leadership of MLB needs to make a final call on this, and other remaining open issues like roster size, ASAP. The sport is being hurt delaying the call so late in the off season.

Hoping the Mets sign Brad Hand. Sounds like he is close to signing and we really need a quality lefty reliever for the bullpen.

 

[MSOrange]

There is a report that some CF candidates for the Mets are asking questions about how many ABs they will get if the DH is not used in the NL this year. This is happening all over. Many positions, besides players who are DHs are affected.

The leadership of MLB needs to make a final call on this, and other remaining open issues like roster size, ASAP. The sport is being hurt delaying the call so late in the off season.

Hoping the Mets sign Brad Hand. Sounds like he is close to signing and we really need a quality lefty reliever for the bullpen.

Agree about the DH decision. Let's decide it one way or another. Marcell Ozuna is still out there and I think a big part of it is the Braves and other teams waiting on the DH decision.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Agree about the DH decision. Let's decide it one way or another. Marcell Ozuna is still out there and I think a big part of it is the Braves and other teams waiting on the DH decision.

Ozuna would be a great signing for the Mets... If nothing else it would prevent our crappy pen from having to face him pretty often in the same division.

 

[OrangeFoo]

There is a report that some CF candidates for the Mets are asking questions about how many ABs they will get if the DH is not used in the NL this year. This is happening all over. Many positions, besides players who are DHs are affected.

The leadership of MLB needs to make a final call on this, and other remaining open issues like roster size, ASAP. The sport is being hurt delaying the call so late in the off season.

Hoping the Mets sign Brad Hand. Sounds like he is close to signing and we really need a quality lefty reliever for the bullpen.

MLB leadership blows goat chunks on both sides... they will again have the opportunity this spring/summer to bring America back to some sense of normalcy and I guarantee they will again mess it up like they did last time because of greed. I bet the reason they are not addressing the DH and roster sizes is because owners want to keep the expanded playoffs but the players want concessions and then it will turn into a whole labor negotiation. I guarantee owners will push for players to take a pay cut because stadiums won't be at max capacity for fan attendance on scheduled opening day and that will start the death spiral.

I still think its 50/50 that the season starts on time. Spring training is 5 weeks from now and there are a LOT of labor decisions that are TBD.

 

[Briancuse]

Ozuna would be a great signing for the Mets... If nothing else it would prevent our crappy pen from having to face him pretty often in the same division.

Maybe Msorange can answer this, can he play lf? or is he strictly a dh? We have a couple of dh possibilities, we need either a legit cf, or a guy who can play lf well.

 

[sutomcat]

Maybe Msorange can answer this, can he play lf? or is he strictly a dh? We have a couple of dh possibilities, we need either a legit cf, or a guy who can play lf well.

He was once a good outfielder but has suffered a serious injury to his throwing shoulder that has destroyed a once very strong arm and he has lost in the field as well. He is a Dom Smith type out there now. Maybe worse. And every year he gets worse. I think the general feeling is that he is done as an outfielder.

Ozuna makes little sense for the Mets. He is going to be expensive and like you say, the Mets are loaded with DH/corner outfielder types. Have to spend that last $20 million or so on a CF and probably a relief pitcher.

 

[MSOrange]

He was once a good outfielder but has suffered a serious injury to his throwing shoulder that has destroyed a once very strong arm and he has lot in the field as well. He is a Dom Smith type out there now. Maybe worse. And every year he gets worse. I think the general feeling is that he is done as an outfielder.

Ozuna makes little sense for the Mets. He is going to be expensive and like you say, the Mets are loaded with DH/corner outfielder types. Have to spend that last $20 million or so on a CF and probably a relief pitcher.

I agree with Tom on this assessment of Ozuna. He's really an emergency only OF at this point.

 

[Knicks411]

It's absolutely insane how there's been no decision on the DH yet. It's pretty important!!

 

[OrangeDW]

It's absolutely insane how there's been no decision on the DH yet. It's pretty important!!

Thats something that needs to be decided before the offseason starts. You don’t have teams make their moves and build their teams and then hit them with a rule change. NL aren’t even thinking about signing these beer league softball clubbers that can’t field, unless they know there will be a DH.

 

[Knicks411]

Thats something that needs to be decided before the offseason starts. You don’t have teams make their moves and build their teams and then hit them with a rule change. NL aren’t even thinking about signing these beer league softball clubbers that can’t field, unless they know there will be a DH.

Conspiracy theory (that is probably partially true?): this is an attempt to drive down salaries. If half the league doesnt have a DH, they're going to have less interest in some of these guys

 

[sutomcat]

I agree with Tom on this assessment of Ozuna. He's really an emergency only OF at this point.

This is why you want Ozuna at DH. One of the funniest plays I have ever seen.

 

[Briancuse]

How do you let Hand go to Washington?

 

[STEVEHOLT]

How do you let Hand go to Washington?

Hands been losing velo big time the last few years...I wouldnt want him

 

[sutomcat]

Hands been losing velo big time the last few years...I wouldnt want him

I am a bit perplexed.

Not thrilled about losing Hand. It doesn't sound like It almost sounds like they are putting all their chips in on Trevor Bauer now.

But if they are willing to spend $30 million a season, why didn't they sign Springer? It would seem that with the acquisitions of Carrasco and Lucchesi, there is a bigger need at CF than at starting pitcher.

I could understand all this if Bauer was willing to sign for a year. Otherwise, it seems like the Wilpons have somehow gotten Sandy's ear.

Good story on the first time the national anthem was played at a baseball game, even before it became the national anthem and how it became a thing. Like all great baseball stories, Babe Ruth is involved.

The First Time The National Anthem Was Played During A Baseball Game, It Changed History

The next time you attend a sporting event and hear the National Anthem and face the flag, remember this.

blog.theveteranssite.greatergood.com

 

[Briancuse]

I am a bit perplexed.

Not thrilled about losing Hand. It doesn't sound like It almost sounds like they are putting all their chips in on Trevor Bauer now.

But if they are willing to spend $30 million a season, why didn't they sign Springer? It would seem that with the acquisitions of Carrasco and Lucchesi, there is a bigger need at CF than at starting pitcher.

I could understand all this if Bauer was willing to sign for a year. Otherwise, it seems like the Wilpons have somehow gotten Sandy's ear.

Good story on the first time the national anthem was played at a baseball game, even before it became the national anthem and how it became a thing. Like all great baseball stories, Babe Ruth is involved.

The First Time The National Anthem Was Played During A Baseball Game, It Changed History

The next time you attend a sporting event and hear the National Anthem and face the flag, remember this.

blog.theveteranssite.greatergood.com

I am very perplexed, If they passed on Hand to get Bauer and have the best rotation in baseball, I love it, if not and they don't get Bauer, Springer, or Hand, even after landing Lindor this has been a very disappointing offseason. This team has major holes in the bp and outfield.

 

[OrangeFoo]

How do you let Hand go to Washington?

The Mets offered more money but Hand wanted DC and wanted a guaranteed shot at closing. It seems Mets were not able to offer either of those to him?

Players do have a right to choose where they want to play.