2021 Fall Camp Starts Friday August 6th

[CuseLegacy]

 

[Goin' Deep]

Significantly better...That's going to be harder to quantify from a numbers standpoint purely...
Main reason being is I believe CUSe will run the ball more...SUCCESSFULLY.
IN 2019 TD had a completion % of 63.2...337 pass attempts...2360 yards passing...19/5 TD/int.

IN 2021 ...Pass attempts will be similar. Fewer drops gets him to 65%. But here's where the improvement MUST come from. 2019..197 yards/game passing and 19 TDs= less than 2 per game.
GOTTA do better!!
HOW?
Throw between the hash marks/middle of the field and TD needs the 92 mph slider and not the 97 mph fast ball. Do this in the redzone and he'll have more yards/game and 25 TDs for the season.

Make the other team defend more of the field.

 

[SUskibum]

Did you not watch the games the last 2 years? Your stats game is a waste of time.

Good idea to throw out the numbers so you can be as subjectively negative as your narrative requires

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I'm also guilty about waxing poetic about these two games. I went back and looked at his completions.

Against FSU: 5 bubble screens. 2 Fades to Custis. Two first read hot reads to slot receiver. 1 quick flare to RB and that TE back of the end zone throw to Ravian Pierce. Not a second read all day long.

Against UNC: More of the same. Both TDs came on first reads to Johnson (looked like he may have initially looked off the safety) and to Pierce on that same TE play. A couple more fades to Custis. More hot reads to the slot receiver. I did see two check down completions. One was a very nice toss to Taj on 1st and 10. The other was on 3rd and 17 to Strickland.

The Physical throws he made were impressive...but he wasn't exactly dissecting the defense apart with complex reads. We hoped that would come with more experience, and we just haven't seen the progression you would hope for.

2019 and 2020 were filled with anxious and panic filled throws. I hope much can be chalked up to the play of the OL, but i'm skeptical.

IMO FSU was his best game and all we asked him to do was manage the game. UNC he made mistakes that nearly cost us (INT and near INT). Besides the ugly ND game he also had issues in 2018 vs WMU, Wagner, and UConn.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

“Significantly” or “vastly” are both kind of words that mean “a lot”…

Let’s put some numbers on it. How much better than 2019 should we need him to be to win 7 games? Passing yards, completion %, and TD/INT.

I’ll do the same. I think an improved run game is a big part of the equation, so let’s throw in yards per carry or something.

His sack rate has to go down. He was sacked nearly 2x as much as the other QBs the last 3 years. If it was just OL the rate wouldn't be so different.

He has to stop with the boneheaded plays. Running out of bounds. Throwing it away on 4th. Etc.

He has to extend plays or make plays away from the primary objective.

None of these can really be quantified via stats. His stats are fine.

 

[TheCusian]

His sack rate has to go down. He was sacked nearly 2x as much as the other QBs the last 3 years. If it was just OL the rate wouldn't be so different.

He has to stop with the boneheaded plays. Running out of bounds. Throwing it away on 4th. Etc.

He has to extend plays or make plays away from the primary objective.

None of these can really be quantified via stats. His stats are fine.

I think this is fair.

I think it’s that stuff that gives me hope. It’s possible to grow into that stuff, though some is instinct. But if we run the ball and block better, I think he can put a nice season together.

I honestly think that some here should be forced to say what they like about the kid with no qualifiers - just to admit that he does some things well

 

[NineOneSeven]

I think this is fair.

I think it’s that stuff that gives me hope. It’s possible to grow into that stuff, though some is instinct. But if we run the ball and block better, I think he can put a nice season together.

I honestly think that some here should be forced to say what they like about the kid with no qualifiers - just to admit that he does some things well

He's got a solid arm and can throw a really nice deep ball. We've seen that plenty. Cannot stand how reliant we are on the passes to the sidelines, but I digress.

Agree with lot of the comments in this thread. Has to have better game awareness and the improved o line is obviously the better direction for better overall QB play. We will see.

 

[orangenauburn]

He's got a solid arm and can throw a really nice deep ball. We've seen that plenty. Cannot stand how reliant we are on the passes to the sidelines, but I digress.

Agree with lot of the comments in this thread. Has to have better game awareness and the improved o line is obviously the better direction for better overall QB play. We will see.

Tired of sideline passes

Throw quick hitters over the middle

 

[baggerbob]

I think this is fair.

I think it’s that stuff that gives me hope. It’s possible to grow into that stuff, though some is instinct. But if we run the ball and block better, I think he can put a nice season together.

I honestly think that some here should be forced to say what they like about the kid with no qualifiers - just to admit that he does some things well

Look we know he has great physical talent, but it's managing a game, getting 1st downs and scoring TD's that we need from Tommy. I don't care if his completion percent is 55. As long as he throws for a lot of TD's that 's what we need.

 

[Chip]

Look we know he has great physical talent, but it's managing a game, getting 1st downs and scoring TD's that we need from Tommy. I don't care if his completion percent is 55. As long as he throws for a lot of TD's that 's what we need.

It's the difference between a lab QB and a gameday QB.

He can make any throw. There's a sideline TD pass to Taj last year that's one of the best balls you'll see a QB throw.

But there's so much more to playing the position well. I really do hope he takes it to the next level in year 5.

 

[AZOrange]

Tired of sideline passes

Throw quick hitters over the middle

I know this gets said a lot on here but people know the former is what the defense gives and the latter is what it tries to take away, right?

 

[TheCusian]

Look we know he has great physical talent, but it's managing a game, getting 1st downs and scoring TD's that we need from Tommy. I don't care if his completion percent is 55. As long as he throws for a lot of TD's that 's what we need.

If you care about those other things, you care about completion %

 

[NineOneSeven]

I know this gets said a lot on here but people know the former is what the defense gives and the latter is what it tries to take away?

That's true. Does not cover every throw though. Not even close.

 

[AZOrange]

That's true. Does not cover every throw though. Not even close.

I’m not saying it does. Just that using the TE in the middle of the field is an empty talking point for the most part

 

[SuFTW]

Good idea to throw out the numbers so you can be as subjectively negative as your narrative requires

Lol no. It’s been well documented on here by knowledgeable football posters that there are multiple areas that Tommy need to improve on. We all saw it with our own eyes.
Does he suck? No.
Can he get better? Yes.
Will he do it? Let’s hope so.

Took this below from an old post of mine. Certainly there is room for improvement. Quibbling over specific terms on how it is quantified is silly.

For 2019 on Sports-Reference Devito was ranked based on passing efficiency rating 57 out of 102. Not horrendous.
2019 Passing Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com


On ESPN’s rankings he did not fare as well. For 2019 on ESPN, Devito’s ranking based on PAA was 104 out of 122.
For Ranking based on QBR he was 92 out of 122.

2019 College Football Season Leaders Total QBR | ESPN

2019 College Football Season Leaders Total QBR | ESPN

 

[CU44SE]

Wasn’t the big knock on TD coming out of high school that he didn’t put it together in games? He was a workout warrior and always impressed people at camps. But when it came time to play in pads in a game situation he struggled? And it was always projecting that he would grow into the game and become what he was on the practice field?

2018 when he came in against FSU and UNC and carried us to victories, I personally felt great about the future. But you forget about the WM game earlier in the year where we were up comfortably and he almost blew a 20+ point lead before TD had to come back in. I hope it’s different this year. And I will root for him, but I just don’t think he is the total package. I don’t think he has “it” and unfortunately believe that after 3 years at Syracuse, he is who we have seen him be. I don’t see this huge transformation happening and I think it would be best for the program if we moved on. I will not root for him to fail, but I do think it will be a lost year if he starts all the games.

 

[TheCusian]

Did you not watch the games the last 2 years? Your stats game is a waste of time.

Yeah, I saw an offense with multiple problems all over the field. If you’re saying “he’s got to be significantly better” I’d like to quantify it.

Look for some they see the offense and blame the QB without doing the homework. I’m not saying if he stays the same as 2020, we’re going to win a lot of games. I think he needs to get better too. But there other areas that make it possible to allow him to do what he does best, that have a chance to be better.

If we have our RB run for an extra 100 yards a game, Tommy will benefit by not getting sacked as much.

good talk, tho lol

 

[TheCusian]

IMO FSU was his best game and all we asked him to do was manage the game. UNC he made mistakes that nearly cost us (INT and near INT). Besides the ugly ND game he also had issues in 2018 vs WMU, Wagner, and UConn.

He also won us the game after Eric sputtered

Just to put that in context

 

[Reilly35]

Should the just be called the rip on TD thread??

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[Finwad32]

CL - beating those birds to the chirpin’

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

If Chestnut is the same playmaker in games as he seems to be in practice, we might be on to something.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Until he proves otherwise, DeVito is a great 7 on 7 player. That’s how he got his rep in the Elite 11.

 

[kcsu]

It's the difference between a lab QB and a gameday QB.

He can make any throw. There's a sideline TD pass to Taj last year that's one of the best balls you'll see a QB throw.

But there's so much more to playing the position well. I really do hope he takes it to the next level in year 5.

Me too. It's easy to like Tommy. He comes across as such a good kid . Always positive Total team guy who is a very hard worker. If he can improve his vision and pocket awareness he has a chance to be special. His arm talent is as good if not better than any QB to wear orange.

 

[rrlbees]

Until he proves otherwise, DeVito is a great 7 on 7 player. That’s how he got his rep in the Elite 11.

im not sure that’s true. He got a rep as a 1st team all state selection his junior year as he led his team to a state championship. Senior year he was 2nd team all state and he was rated one of the top 10 pocket passers in the country. He was also selected for the under armor all American game and was one of the starting QBs. Don’t think any of that was because of a 7-7 tournament or elite 11.