2021 NFL Thread

[NineOneSeven]

Belichick was counting on Buffalo losing the game and that’s what they did. Brilliant strategy really.

What a goat!

 

[syrBossHogg]

Call one Allen QB run in the red zone and the Bills prolly win that game

 

[Alsacs]

Belichick was counting on Buffalo losing the game and that’s what they did. Brilliant strategy really.

When you only throw 1time in the first 3 quarters I think you are correct.
McDermott’s challenge was one of the worst of alltime.

It was a dumb in the moment. The Patriots offensively got the lead and weren’t going to try and do anything but keep the clock moving.

I think the end of game gets ignored as well. Somebody on Buffalo tried to call a 4th TO at the end. That reset the clock and prevented Buffalo from having 30 seconds at the end. McDermott had a brutal game.

 

[NineOneSeven]

When you only throw 1time in the first 3 quarters I think you are correct.
McDermott’s challenge was one of the worst of alltime.

It was a dumb in the moment. The Patriots offensively got the lead and weren’t going to try and do anything but keep the clock moving.

I think the end of game gets ignored as well. Somebody on Buffalo tried to call a 4th TO at the end. That reset the clock and prevented Buffalo from having 30 seconds at the end. McDermott had a brutal game.

Milano was down, is what they had said.

 

[syrBossHogg]

 

[Alsacs]

Milano was down, is what they had said.

If he was hurt the play clock would have stopped when he got hurt and once he was helped off both game and play clock would have restarted.
Somebody on Buffalo side tried to call a TO which was illegal and forced the ref to reset play clock to 40.
That is why it went from 11 to 40.
Manning cast said somebody on Buffalo tried to call TO.

 

[NineOneSeven]

If he was hurt the play clock would have stopped when he got hurt and once he was helped off both game and play clock would have restarted.
Somebody on Buffalo side tried to call a TO which was illegal and forced the ref to reset play clock to 40.
That is why it went from 11 to 40.
Manning cast said somebody on Buffalo tried to call TO.

That sequence wasn’t made clear on the main broadcast, unless I misheard it.

 

[Cusefan0307]

When you only throw 1time in the first 3 quarters I think you are correct.
McDermott’s challenge was one of the worst of alltime.

It was a dumb in the moment. The Patriots offensively got the lead and weren’t going to try and do anything but keep the clock moving.

I think the end of game gets ignored as well. Somebody on Buffalo tried to call a 4th TO at the end. That reset the clock and prevented Buffalo from having 30 seconds at the end. McDermott had a brutal game.

It wouldn‘t have been that close had that punt not blown in the punt returners face mask in the first quarter.

Will be interesting to see how Buffalo bounces back next week. Tampa doesn’t even try to run the ball most games.

 

[GeauxSU]

I don’t think that this whole 14 points moral victory for Bills fans really holds water because they knew which offensive play was coming, the Patriots knew which offensive play was coming, everyone in the stadium knew, everyone watching TV knew, and for the majority of the game the Bills just couldn’t stop it. The Patriots rushing attack moved through the Bills like a hot knife through butter, especially on that last drive in the third quarter to kick that field goal early in the fourth.

Furthermore, I find I it absolutely hilarious that part of McDermotts argument against Belichick taking credit for the victory was the Bills advantage in the field position battle and their failure to capitalize on that by going 1/4 in the red area. Sean, I don’t know about you, but last I checked, that ineffectiveness comes down not only to your players inability to execute, not only you and your staff’s inability to put together an effective red zone game plan, but also Bill Belichick and Son’s mastery of defensive scheme and putting together a bend don’t break defense.

 

[samspann1]

I heard the quote and whole postgame.

He also didn’t give the Patriots running attack any credit. He blamed the weather and said Patriots had one long run and take that out they weren’t good.

Then he said Bills had great field position and basically the Bills beat themselves.
No mention that the Patriots muff punt was how the Bills got their only score and that was a Patriots mistake.

He was salty. McDermott is a good coach but he wasn’t good in that game or post game last night.

I didn't see the quote/clip where he said "Patriots had one long run and take that out they weren’t good."

Is he wrong about the Bills' failure to execute? 1/4 in the red zone. TD bounces off of Diggs' arm, Knox has a couple of brutal drops - any of those plays goes the other way, and what's the narrative? Did Knox/Diggs not catch the ball because they were blinded by the greatness of Belichick and Mac Jones?

Yes, the muffed punt was huge (N'Keal Harry was a great 1st round pick!)...as was the Breida fumble. I believe the Pats scored a few plays after the Breida fumble.

 

[Alsacs]

I didn't see the quote/clip where he said "Patriots had one long run and take that out they weren’t good."

Is he wrong about the Bills' failure to execute? 1/4 in the red zone. TD bounces off of Diggs' arm, Knox has a couple of brutal drops - any of those plays goes the other way, and what's the narrative? Did Knox/Diggs not catch the ball because they were blinded by the greatness of Belichick and Mac Jones?

Yes, the muffed punt was huge (N'Keal Harry was a great 1st round pick!)...as was the Breida fumble. I believe the Pats scored a few plays after the Breida fumble.

Mac Jones is a rookie.
He isn’t elite. But he is a lot better than I thought.
He is Chad Pennington. Pennington was solid and if had what Mac has now would be doing the same.
If the Patriots end up 12-5 they have a really good chance to be the 1 seed. Their conference record is 7-1. If they have HFA and the bye they could make the SB.
Belichick is great. Other coaches won’t let the opponent beat themselves he did.

Harry gets destroyed in the New England media. He has been terrible but belichick has drafted well the last 2 drafts.
Dugger, Jones, Barmore, Stevenson all doing well.

Also the Patriots had 9 runs over 10 yards last night when the Bills stacked the box.
3.6 ypr when you take the 64 yard run against that defense is not terrible. It’s actual bad rush defense by Buffalo.

Patriots had over 200 for the game.
Also game management is part of
The deal and McDermott was awful.

 

[samspann1]

Mac Jones is a rookie.
He isn’t elite. But he is a lot better than I thought.
He is Chad Pennington. Pennington was solid and if had what Mac has now would be doing the same.
If the Patriots end up 12-5 they have a really good chance to be the 1 seed. Their conference record is 7-1. If they have HFA and the bye they could make the SB.
Belichick is great. Other coaches won’t let the opponent beat themselves he did.

Harry gets destroyed in the New England media. He has been terrible but belichick has drafted well the last 2 drafts.
Dugger, Jones, Barmore, Stevenson all doing well.

Also the Patriots had 9 runs over 10 yards last night when the Bills stacked the box.
3.6 ypr when you take the 64 yard run against that defense is terrible.

Patriots had over 200 for the game.
Also game management is part of
The deal and McDermott was awful.

Ok, but

Is he (McDermott) wrong about the Bills' failure to execute? 1/4 in the red zone. TD bounces off of Diggs' arm, Knox has a couple of brutal drops - any of those plays goes the other way, and what's the narrative? Did Knox/Diggs not catch the ball because they were blinded by the greatness of Belichick and Mac Jones?

 

[Alsacs]

Ok, but

Is he (McDermott) wrong about the Bills' failure to execute? 1/4 in the red zone. TD bounces off of Diggs' arm, Knox has a couple of brutal drops - any of those plays goes the other way, and what's the narrative? Did Knox/Diggs not catch the ball because they were blinded by the greatness of Belichick and Mac Jones?

McDermott saying what he did was being butthurt he lost.
If the Bills lost to the “Steelers or pick a team” last night he isn’t that salty.
He was mad because he knew Belichick would get credit. It’s okay to admit that.
Coaches don’t talk like that normally.

 

[samspann1]

McDermott saying what he did was being butthurt he lost.
If the Bills lost to the “Steelers or pick a team” last night he isn’t that salty.
He was mad because he knew Belichick would get credit. It’s okay to admit that.
Coaches don’t talk like that normally.

You're really not answering the questions, man.

 

[Alsacs]

You're really not answering the questions, man.

Belichick was great last night.
Mac wasn’t.
I don’t get your point.
Belichick let the Bills beat themselves. I think that is genius.
It worked. The Bills had chances.
The broncos have beaten the Patriots in Mile High because the atmosphere beat the Patriots.
Manning’s last year the Patriots lost because they beat themselves.
Credit to the Broncos D.

 

[GeauxSU]

Mac Jones is a rookie.
He isn’t elite. But he is a lot better than I thought.
He is Chad Pennington. Pennington was solid and if had what Mac has now would be doing the same.
If the Patriots end up 12-5 they have a really good chance to be the 1 seed. Their conference record is 7-1. If they have HFA and the bye they could make the SB.
Belichick is great. Other coaches won’t let the opponent beat themselves he did.

Harry gets destroyed in the New England media. He has been terrible but belichick has drafted well the last 2 drafts.
Dugger, Jones, Barmore, Stevenson all doing well.

Also the Patriots had 9 runs over 10 yards last night when the Bills stacked the box.
3.6 ypr when you take the 64 yard run against that defense is not terrible. It’s actual bad rush defense by Buffalo.

Patriots had over 200 for the game.
Also game management is part of
The deal and McDermott was awful.

How dare you slander Mac Jones good name by comparing him to Chad Pennington

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Bill coached circles around them

Didn’t take much.. they shouldn’t have taken the ball ..they should have chosen which end to defend such that they were with the wind in the 4th

 

[samspann1]

Belichick was great last night.
Mac wasn’t.
I don’t get your point.
Belichick let the Bills beat themselves. I think that is genius.
It worked. The Bills had chances.
The broncos have beaten the Patriots in Mile High because the atmosphere beat the Patriots.
Manning’s last year the Patriots lost because they beat themselves.
Credit to the Broncos D.

My point is, you seemed to take offense to McDermott's comments about the Bills beating themselves, and I don't think that he's really off base.

Diggs drops a TD.
Knox fails to come up with a TD grab in the EZ, and has 2 other crucial 3rd down drops, both of which would have given the Bills' 1st downs (one deep in Pats territory).

These are self-inflicted wounds (and Diggs rarely drops balls). Should Belichick be praised for this?

No idea what the Broncos D from 5-6 seasons ago has to do with anything at all...

 

[STEVEHOLT]

If Knox or Diggs hold on to the ball, is anyone ball washing Belichick (moreso than usual) tonight?

I just don’t see the genius in out coaching the Bills staff of clueless joe Jacksons. Billy boy is the greatest coach of all time .. at least defensively .. but this game was just about weather conditions favoring a tougher team over a soft finesse team ..

The one position where we had the toughness and physical advantage was Qb and that advantage was certainly not pushed properly for the game conditions

 

[Alsacs]

My point is, you seemed to take offense to McDermott's comments about the Bills beating themselves, and I don't think that he's really off base.

Diggs drops a TD.
Knox fails to come up with a TD grab in the EZ, and has 2 other crucial 3rd down drops, both of which would have given the Bills' 1st downs (one deep in Pats territory).

These are self-inflicted wounds (and Diggs rarely drops balls). Should Belichick be praised for this?

No idea what the Broncos D from 5-6 seasons ago has to do with anything at all...

I think McDermott should have just shut up postgame. He was salty. His comments can be right but it doesn’t mean he wasn’t butthurt.
The Bills have lost all their close games this year he didn’t talk like that after those games.
The Patriots showed the Bills what they were doing offensively.
All McDermott should have said this game was weird, we lost and will comeback in 2 weeks.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I think McDermott should have just shut up postgame. He was salty. His comments can be right but it doesn’t mean he wasn’t butthurt.
The Bills have lost all their close games this year he didn’t talk like that after those games.
The Patriots showed the Bills what they were doing offensively.
All McDermott should have said this game was weird, we lost and will comeback in 2 weeks.

You love saying that word...

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Belichick was great last night.
Mac wasn’t.
I don’t get your point.
Belichick let the Bills beat themselves. I think that is genius.
It worked. The Bills had chances.
The broncos have beaten the Patriots in Mile High because the atmosphere beat the Patriots.
Manning’s last year the Patriots lost because they beat themselves.
Credit to the Broncos D.

I don’t think you can say Mac was anything .. he didn’t participate .. he didn’t have to .. saying he wasn’t great implies he was bad.. in fact he was essentially an N/A

 

[STEVEHOLT]

The wisest words that anyone ever uttered regarding the game of football is “stupid loses more often than smart wins.”

I don’t think it’s ever been more true than now. Misapplied analytics doesn’t help .. anytime someone does something out of the ordinary , you’ll here someone say “it’s what the analytics says to do”.

Pretty sure they pull that out their ass.

Here’s an analytic that I bet is true.. never return a punt ..the odds of a fumble , a penalty , or injury far outweigh the chances of a major positive play

 

[Cusefan0307]

Though Buffalo had an arrogant game plan and thought they could get away with it Because of Allen’s arm strength. Sure, they missed opportunities, but so did New England.

It felt like like had to show that Allen has the strongest arm in the history of the league.

They were lucky one of the back to back out routes in the first half didn’t get pick sixed.

 

[ForCuseSake]

McDermott's post game comments are a whole lotta nothin.

He basically said that if you told him before the game that Buffalo would go 1-4 in the redzone and NE would go 0-1, he'd like his chances. He even prefaced it by saying whether it was against NE or any other team.

It was smart coaching by Belichick to keep running the same plays until Buffalo could stop it and poor coaching by McDermott not to adjust until that one drive Milano singlehandedly ended on consecutive plays.

Pretty sure McDermott acknowledged some of his mistakes in his postgame.

But I don't see "butthurt" or sour grapes in McDermott's response to a goofily worded question ("how much of the loss was Bill Belichick's intimidation?" or some dime store psychology premise).