2021 PGA Tour

[jncuse]

Golf Rule Question

This actually occurred to me yesterday and I doubt it will ever happen again.

I hit a crappy shot on a par 3 (nothing that unuual there) and it took me a while to find it as it hit the path and bounced. I ended up with a 30 yard chip shot that had to go under a tree branch and over a trap. Tough shot. I nail it low and it is flying across the green and on path to be mercifully stopped by the bunker on the other side of the green ... and this is where it gets interesting.

- My playing partner had putted out and was practicing a second putt since it took me time to find my ball.
- As my ball is flying across the green (about 10 feet off line) its hits his MOVING ball as he is taking a practice putt.

- My ball deflects off his moving ball and to about 3 inches from the hole for a tap in par or was it?

Obviously if his ball was standing still, then there are no questions. He re-marks his ball, and I play where my ball ends up.

But in this case it hits his ball that is moving (due to something that is technically not allowed). I think the rule would be similar and that I play it where it ends up, but anybody think the ruling is different in this case?

 

[690West]

Golf Rule Question

This actually occurred to me yesterday and I doubt it will ever happen again.

I hit a crappy shot on a par 3 (nothing that unuual there) and it took me a while to find it as it hit the path and bounced. I ended up with a 30 yard chip shot that had to go under a tree branch and over a trap. Tough shot. I nail it low and it is flying across the green and on path to be mercifully stopped by the bunker on the other side of the green ... and this is where it gets interesting.

- My playing partner had putted out and was practicing a second putt since it took me time to find my ball.
- As my ball is flying across the green (about 10 feet off line) its hits his MOVING ball as he is taking a practice putt.

- My ball deflects off his moving ball and to about 3 inches from the hole for a tap in par or was it?

Obviously if his ball was standing still, then there are no questions. He re-marks his ball, and I play where my ball ends up.

But in this case it hits his ball that is moving (due to something that is technically not allowed). I think the rule would be similar and that I play it where it ends up, but anybody think the ruling is different in this case?

This would fall under Rule 11.1 and thus you just play it as it lies. Now, if he deliberately tried to putt towards your ball coming in that would be different. I guess in a real circumstance, the committee would have to determine.

"Rule 11 covers what to do if the player’s ball in motion hits a person, animal, equipment or anything else on the course. When this happens accidentally, there is no penalty and the player normally must accept the result, whether favorable or not, and play the ball from where it comes to rest. Rule 11 also restricts a player from deliberately taking actions to affect where any ball in motion might come to rest.”

In regards to him practicing (which is allowed even in stroke play), it looks like the USGA has ruled on that as well. Looks like he was within the rules:


Decision 7-2/1
If you're playing in a four-ball stroke-play event, you cannot practice between holes until you and your partner have holed out or picked up. In singles match play or individual stroke play, you can practice as soon as you've holed out. You don't necessarily have to wait for your opponent or fellow-competitor(s) to hole out to practice. But it's considered good etiquette to do so.

 

[kirbivore]

He has to play it as it lies. I had to hit if off Frankenstein's fat foot, remember?

 

[jncuse]

This would fall under Rule 11.1 and thus you just play it as it lies. Now, if he deliberately tried to putt towards your ball coming in that would be different. I guess in a real circumstance, the committee would have to determine.

"Rule 11 covers what to do if the player’s ball in motion hits a person, animal, equipment or anything else on the course. When this happens accidentally, there is no penalty and the player normally must accept the result, whether favorable or not, and play the ball from where it comes to rest. Rule 11 also restricts a player from deliberately taking actions to affect where any ball in motion might come to rest.”

In regards to him practicing (which is allowed even in stroke play), it looks like the USGA has ruled on that as well. Looks like he was within the rules:


Decision 7-2/1
If you're playing in a four-ball stroke-play event, you cannot practice between holes until you and your partner have holed out or picked up. In singles match play or individual stroke play, you can practice as soon as you've holed out. You don't necessarily have to wait for your opponent or fellow-competitor(s) to hole out to practice. But it's considered good etiquette to do so.

Interesting - so I guess in this particular case the PGA tour does not follow USGA rules as they do not allow any practicing in stroke play tour events. (they allow it in match play).

Based on what the PGA did I assumed that was the actual rule (no practice putts after holing out) --- even though I was guilty of breaking it in each round.

 

[690West]

Interesting - so I guess in this particular case the PGA tour does not follow USGA rules as they do not allow any practicing in stroke play tour events. (they allow it in match play).

Based on what the PGA did I assumed that was the actual rule (no practice putts after holing out) --- even though I was guilty of breaking it in each round.

Correct. For pace of play, the PGA has adopted a local rule where practice putting is not allowed during stroke play. In regular stroke play, practice putting is allowed.

 

[690West]

He has to play it as it lies. I had to hit if off Frankenstein's fat foot, remember?

KICK HIM OFF THE TOUR DOUG!

 

[Cowtown]

Nice to see Jason Day back in the hunt.

 

[br801]

Nice to see Jason Day back in the hunt.

Yes one of my favorites. Nice guy, extremely talented, can play with anyone when healthy.

 

[upperdeck]

the new changes to rules help out alot in this case.

 

[Jables]

Harris English Wikipedia:

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Harris English and Kramer Hitchcock are starting their 8th sudden death playoff hole. Tied for 2nd most ever.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Eight is enough.

 

[SWC75]

That was golf's equivalent of the 6OT game.

 

[upperdeck]

that was fun to watch.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

that was fun to watch.

Unfortunately for Harris English, who is the least known #2 ranked in Fedex standings, everyone was rooting for Hitchcock.

 

[SWC75]

Unfortunately for Harris English, who is the least known #2 ranked in Fedex standings, everyone was rooting for Hitchcock.

I was rooting for both...

 

[Cowtown]

I've liked English's swing for a few years. It would have been cool for Hitchcock to get his first win, but I'm not unhappy with the way it worked out. I thought the putt he made on 18 in regulation was a winner. But it was all fun.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

I was rooting for both...

I understand that but one guy has won over 4 million this year with 3 career wins and the other guy has won 500k and no career wins.

 

[dasher]

Unfortunately for Harris English, who is the least known #2 ranked in Fedex standings, everyone was rooting for Hitchcock.

I was rooting for the other guy as well. Nothing against English.

 

[dasher]

I understand that but one guy has won over 4 million this year with 3 career wins and the other guy has won 500k and no career wins.

Not to mention the exemptions.

 

[Cowtown]

I understand that but one guy has won over 4 million this year with 3 career wins and the other guy has won 500k and no career wins.

So you're a socialist now?

edit: Sorry man, not meaning to jump on you, I just like watching the guy play. I get your point, but golf is that way. You want to win? Make the shots. Period. Besides, English has been working hard for a long time, and has only recently become successful.

Harris English Bio : PGA TOUR Media Guide

www.pgatourmediaguide.com

 

[cliftonparksufan]

So you're a socialist now?

edit: Sorry man, not meaning to jump on you, I just like watching the guy play. I get your point, but golf is that way. You want to win? Make the shots. Period. Besides, English has been working hard for a long time, and has only recently become successful.

Harris English Bio : PGA TOUR Media Guide

www.pgatourmediaguide.com

Yes, English is a relative unknown who has really come into his own. There are a ton of great golfers but they need all the stars to align to be successful on a consistent basis. BTW, a great week for Jason Day who's name hasn't been mentioned in a long time and same for Bubba Watson who had a great 3.5 days. Glad to see borh playing well.

 

[SWC75]

I understand that but one guy has won over 4 million this year with 3 career wins and the other guy has won 500k and no career wins.

You don't get a 7 hole playoff unless you are rooting for both.

 

[kirbivore]

Harris English Wikipedia:
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[MSOrange]

DeChambeau, caddie take time apart for 'break'

Before Bryson DeChambeau teed off for the Rocket Mortgage Classic on Thursday, he said he and caddie Tim Tucker have decided to take a break, the golfer told ESPN.

www.espn.com