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$6 a month for service and i can watch 100 shows in that month vs one $15 movie and 20 mins of ads for others vs $100 for one game live.. if they said pay $6 to watch one game people would think thats pretty cheap most of the time and in this case you get the game and 30 days of other stuff.
 
Orangezoo said:
A little bit of hyperbole there. We have had a few good starts since then ( and some fast crashes right after). If we can bolt out of the gate and then hopefully get good news on deGrom and get him back... fingers crossed.

My biggest positive so far is seeing immediate production from the new additions.
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Weren’t Mets in 1st place last year until at least the all star game? I think we all knew it wasn’t sustainable but it was a good start.
 
upperdeck said:
it was not that long ago that people would have paid $20-50 for access to watch a single SU PPV game and many of us did.. now you can stream something like apple+ for less than the cost of a happy meal and we want to complain. you add up the cost of all the streaming channels for a yr and its the cost of going to 1 NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL game
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Well it’s not just me. Gary Cohen was complaining about it too.

Are you telling me you’d rather pay more money to hear someone else call Mets games besides Gary, Ron and Keith?

I’m not sure where you’re getting your math from but just my YouTubetv is $800 a year. I can get a Mets ticket for $50…
 
OrangeFoo said:
Weren’t Mets in 1st place last year until at least the all star game? I think we all knew it wasn’t sustainable but it was a good start.
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Yeah but the whole division was hovering around .500
 
OrangeFoo said:
Weren’t Mets in 1st place last year until at least the all star game? I think we all knew it wasn’t sustainable but it was a good start.
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They were 7-3 after 10 games but 10-11 by the end of the month:

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They were in first place from May 6th to August 6th. Their best record vs. .500 was 36-25 on June 16th. They were still 9 games over .500 at 55-46 on July 28thThe rest of the season was a 22-39 slog.
 
BrooklynCuse said:
Well it’s not just me. Gary Cohen was complaining about it too.

Are you telling me you’d rather pay more money to hear someone else call Mets games besides Gary, Ron and Keith?

I’m not sure where you’re getting your math from but just my YouTubetv is $800 a year. I can get a Mets ticket for $50…
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talking about apple + for the few games they are gonna be showing.
 
I decided to look into subject of Mets starts and what they told us -or did not tell us - about how the season would go.

I decided to define April as the ‘start’:

1962 Opener: L April: 2-10 Final: 40-120
1963 Opener: L April: 7-12 Final: 51-111
1964 Opener: L April: 2-10 Final: 53-109
1965 Opener: L April: 6-10 Final: 50-112
1966 Opener: L April: 5-6 Final: 66-95
1967 Opener: L April: 6-11 Final: 61-101
1968 Opener: L April: 7-9 Final: 73-89
1969 Opener: L April: 9-11 Final: 100-62
1970 Opener: W April: 10-9 Final: 83-79
1971 Opener: W April: 12-7 Final: 83-79
1972 Opener: W April: 8-4 Final: 83-73
1973 Opener: W April: 12-8 Final: 82-79
1974 Opener: L April: 8-13 Final: 71-91
1975 Opener: W April: 9-7 Final: 82-80
1976 Opener: W April: 13-7 Final: 86-76
1977 Opener: W April: 8-9 Final: 64-98
1978 Opener: W April: 10-12 Final: 66-96
1979 Opener: W April: 8-10 Final: 63-99
1980 Opener: W April: 6-10 Final: 67-95
1981 Opener: W April: 4-10 Final: 41-62
1982 Opener: W April: 10-10 Final: 65-97
1983 Opener: W April: 6-11 Final: 68-94
1984 Opener: L April: 12-8 Final: 90-72
1985 Opener: W April: 12-6 Final: 98-64
1986 Opener: W April: 13-3 Final: 108-54
1987 Opener: W April: 11-9 Final: 92-70
1988 Opener: W April: 15-6 Final: 100-60
1989 Opener: W April: 12-10 Final: 87-75
1990 Opener: L April: 9-10 Final: 91-71
1991 Opener: W April: 12-8 Final: 77-84
1992 Opener: W April: 13-9 Final: 72-90
1993 Opener: W April: 8-13 Final: 59-103
1994 Opener: W April: 11-11 Final: 55-58
1995 Opener: L April: 2-3 Final: 69-75
1996 Opener: W April: 11-13 Final: 71-91
1997 Opener: L April: 12-14 Final: 88-74
1998 Opener: W April: 13-12 Final: 88-74
1999 Opener: L April: 14-9 Final: 97-66
2000 Opener: L April: 14-11 Final: 94-68
2001 Opener: W April: 10-15 Final: 82-80
2002 Opener: W April: 16-10 Final: 75-86
2003 Opener: L April: 11-16 Final: 66-95
2004 Opener: W April: 9-14 Final: 71-91
2005 Opener: L April: 11-13 Final: 83-79
2006 Opener: W April: 16-8 Final: 97-65
2007 Opener: W April: 15-9 Final: 88-74
2008 Opener: W April: 14-12 Final: 89-73
2009 Opener: W April: 9-12 Final: 70-92
2010 Opener: W April: 14-9 Final: 79-83
2011 Opener: L April: 11-16 Final: 77-85
2012 Opener: W April: 13-10 Final: 74-88
2013 Opener: W April: 10-15 Final: 74-88
2014 Opener: L April: 15-11 Final: 79-83
2015 Opener: W April: 15-8 Final: 90-72
2016 Opener: L April: 15-7 Final: 87-75
2017 Opener: W April: 10-14 Final: 70-92
2018 Opener: W April: 17-9 Final: 77-85
2019 Opener: W April: 15-14 Final: 86-76
2020 Opener: W July: 3-5 Final: 26-34
2021 Opener: L April: 10-11 Final: 77-85
2021 Opener: W April: 2-0 so far Final: ???

I debated what a ‘good’ start was. I finally decided to designate any time the Mets played .600, (supposedly pennant-winning) ball in the first month, it was a good start and if they won 2/3 of their games it was a ‘hot’ start. I designated the hot starts in bold and the good starts in italics.

There have been six ‘hot’ starts: 1972, 1985, 1986, 1988, 2006 and 2016. The first five of those started with wins in the opener and wound up with a better record than the previous year, (all winning years at least 10 games over .500). 2016 was the outlier: starting with a loss and ending up with a worse record, but 12 games over .500.

There have been twelve other ‘good’ starts: 1971, 1973, 1976, 1984, 1991, 1992, 1999, 2002, 2007, 2010, 2015 and 2018. Ten of them opened with wins. Six resulted in improved records. Seven resulted in winning records.

I think what we’re looking for is a ‘hot’ start.
 
SWC75 said:
I decided to look into subject of Mets starts and what they told us -or did not tell us - about how the season would go.

I decided to define April as the ‘start’:

1962 Opener: L April: 2-10 Final: 40-120
1963 Opener: L April: 7-12 Final: 51-111
1964 Opener: L April: 2-10 Final: 53-109
1965 Opener: L April: 6-10 Final: 50-112
1966 Opener: L April: 5-6 Final: 66-95
1967 Opener: L April: 6-11 Final: 61-101
1968 Opener: L April: 7-9 Final: 73-89
1969 Opener: L April: 9-11 Final: 100-62
1970 Opener: W April: 10-9 Final: 83-79
1971 Opener: W April: 12-7 Final: 83-79
1972 Opener: W April: 8-4 Final: 83-73
1973 Opener: W April: 12-8 Final: 82-79
1974 Opener: L April: 8-13 Final: 71-91
1975 Opener: W April: 9-7 Final: 82-80
1976 Opener: W April: 13-7 Final: 86-76
1977 Opener: W April: 8-9 Final: 64-98
1978 Opener: W April: 10-12 Final: 66-96
1979 Opener: W April: 8-10 Final: 63-99
1980 Opener: W April: 6-10 Final: 67-95
1981 Opener: W April: 4-10 Final: 41-62
1982 Opener: W April: 10-10 Final: 65-97
1983 Opener: W April: 6-11 Final: 68-94
1984 Opener: L April: 12-8 Final: 90-72
1985 Opener: W April: 12-6 Final: 98-64
1986 Opener: W April: 13-3 Final: 108-54
1987 Opener: W April: 11-9 Final: 92-70
1988 Opener: W April: 15-6 Final: 100-60
1989 Opener: W April: 12-10 Final: 87-75
1990 Opener: L April: 9-10 Final: 91-71
1991 Opener: W April: 12-8 Final: 77-84
1992 Opener: W April: 13-9 Final: 72-90
1993 Opener: W April: 8-13 Final: 59-103
1994 Opener: W April: 11-11 Final: 55-58
1995 Opener: L April: 2-3 Final: 69-75
1996 Opener: W April: 11-13 Final: 71-91
1997 Opener: L April: 12-14 Final: 88-74
1998 Opener: W April: 13-12 Final: 88-74
1999 Opener: L April: 14-9 Final: 97-66
2000 Opener: L April: 14-11 Final: 94-68
2001 Opener: W April: 10-15 Final: 82-80
2002 Opener: W April: 16-10 Final: 75-86
2003 Opener: L April: 11-16 Final: 66-95
2004 Opener: W April: 9-14 Final: 71-91
2005 Opener: L April: 11-13 Final: 83-79
2006 Opener: W April: 16-8 Final: 97-65
2007 Opener: W April: 15-9 Final: 88-74
2008 Opener: W April: 14-12 Final: 89-73
2009 Opener: W April: 9-12 Final: 70-92
2010 Opener: W April: 14-9 Final: 79-83
2011 Opener: L April: 11-16 Final: 77-85
2012 Opener: W April: 13-10 Final: 74-88
2013 Opener: W April: 10-15 Final: 74-88
2014 Opener: L April: 15-11 Final: 79-83
2015 Opener: W April: 15-8 Final: 90-72
2016 Opener: L April: 15-7 Final: 87-75
2017 Opener: W April: 10-14 Final: 70-92
2018 Opener: W April: 17-9 Final: 77-85
2019 Opener: W April: 15-14 Final: 86-76
2020 Opener: W July: 3-5 Final: 26-34
2021 Opener: L April: 10-11 Final: 77-85
2021 Opener: W April: 2-0 so far Final: ???

I debated what a ‘good’ start was. I finally decided to designate any time the Mets played .600, (supposedly pennant-winning) ball in the first month, it was a good start and if they won 2/3 of their games it was a ‘hot’ start. I designated the hot starts in bold and the good starts in italics.

There have been six ‘hot’ starts: 1972, 1985, 1986, 1988, 2006 and 2016. The first five of those started with wins in the opener and wound up with a better record than the previous year, (all winning years at least 10 games over .500). 2016 was the outlier: starting with a loss and ending up with a worse record, but 12 games over .500.

There have been twelve other ‘good’ starts: 1971, 1973, 1976, 1984, 1991, 1992, 1999, 2002, 2007, 2010, 2015 and 2018. Ten of them opened with wins. Six resulted in improved records. Seven resulted in winning records.

I think what we’re looking for is a ‘hot’ start.
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Agreed and this is awesome!

Mildly excited seeing how well Megill, Scherzer and Bassitt have looked. Bassitt last night especially looked solid. Early returns can be fools gold but 3 solid outings for our starters, pen and lineup is a very positive sign.

Hopefully Carrasco keeps the trend going.
 
5 Mets HBP in first three games. I want to see some payback today. I think Buck brings some badly needed fire to the team. Let’s see it today.
 
GreekFreak said:
5 Mets HBP in first three games. I want to see some payback today. I think Buck brings some badly needed fire to the team. Let’s see it today.
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Not a fan of "chin music" but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised and Buck could use it as a team-builder.
 
SWC75 said:
Not a fan of "chin music" but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised and Buck could use it as a team-builder.
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Not necessarily a fan of it either but I do believe that you have to stand up for yourselves when the other team goes head hunting. Both Alonso and Lindor were hit in the face. Can you picture anyone messing with Keith Hernadez, Ray Knight, Daryl Strawberry, etc. by throwing at them?
 
GreekFreak said:
Not necessarily a fan of it either but I do believe that you have to stand up for yourselves when the other team goes head hunting. Both Alonso and Lindor were hit in the face. Can you picture anyone messing with Keith Hernadez, Ray Knight, Daryl Strawberry, etc. by throwing at them?
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I don't know why Washington would be head-hunting in the first series of the season. Are they mad because we got Scherzer?
 
SWC75 said:
I don't know why Washington would be head-hunting in the first series of the season. Are they mad because we got Scherzer?
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Hadn’t thought of that. Could be something left over from last year. You make a good point that it is strange to start off the season that way.
 
SWC75 said:
I don't know why Washington would be head-hunting in the first series of the season. Are they mad because we got Scherzer?
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I think maybe the pitchers just don’t have command of their pitches? They have the velocity but not the control yet? I don’t know
 
the throw home was just settling for the easy toss thinking he had time.. the 2nd one was a lazy throw.. of well cant win them all.
 
upperdeck said:
the throw home was just settling for the easy toss thinking he had time.. the 2nd one was a lazy throw.. of well cant win them all.
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Both of them were lazy throws. The first one needed to.be an overhand throw to the plate. The runner had speed.
 
The starting pitching is holding up. Unfortunately, we found two more guys for the bullpen who can blow leads in the late innings.

I love week one batting averages. Canha is batting .700!
 
Orangezoo said:

Ugggh
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giving up a 4 run lead in the bottom of the 8th... double ugg. It's bizarre to me that a team in it to win it wouldn't add better bullpen depth when that same pen was pretty much trash last year and they lost one of their best arms in Loupe.
 
Orangezoo said:

Ugggh
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They also said that Trevor May left due to an injury. I thought he left because he stunk.

The Mets relief pitchers in the last two games, (not counting Peterson, a
starter who took over the 'start'; because Walker went out).

Shreve got 4 guys out, gave up a hit and a walk and an earned run.
Williams got 3 guys out, gave up 2 hits and 2 earned runs.
May got 3 guys out, gave up a hit, a walk and earned run.
Rodriguez got 2 guys out and gave up 2 hits and 2 earned runs on a home run.
Lugo got one guy out after giving up 2 hits and a walk and 2 runs - the tying run and the go-ahead run.

That's five straight Mets relievers - 5 different guys - who have given up earned runs. They've gotten 13 outs, let 11 guys get on base and 8 of them scored. 27/13 x 8 = 16.62 ERA.
 
SWC75 said:
They also said that Trevor May left due to an injury. I thought he left because he stunk.

The Mets relief pitchers in the last two games, (not counting Peterson, a
starter who took over the 'start'; because Walker went out).

Shreve got 4 guys out, gave up a hit and a walk and an earned run.
Williams got 3 guys out, gave up 2 hits and 2 earned runs.
May got 3 guys out, gave up a hit, a walk and earned run.
Rodriguez got 2 guys out and gave up 2 hits and 2 earned runs on a home run.
Lugo got one guy out after giving up 2 hits and a walk and 2 runs - the tying run and the go-ahead run.

That's five straight Mets relievers - 5 different guys - who have given up earned runs. They've gotten 13 outs, let 11 guys get on base and 8 of them scored. 27/13 x 8 = 16.62 ERA.
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We are going to regret that Castro for Rodriguez trade for a long time.

Giving away our reliever with the best stuff for a castoff that probably doesn't belong in the big leagues.

I thought our front office was better than this.
 
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