Dodgers are elite at not chasing... for the most part the Mets pitchers don't have elite swing and miss stuff, they depend on the other team chasing out of the zone stuff or getting fooled by in the zone stuff. This is where the match up of a 3 MVPs core + Will Smith and playoff veteran like Hernandez and good hitters like Edmond vs a core of Lindor, Vientos, Nimmo, Alonso, Alvarez and journeymen turns into a huge advantage of the Dodgers. The Mets just don't have the same top end talent... in fact no one other than the Phils and Yanks can come close. The gap isn't huge and I still think Mets win tonight and take it back to LA.
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It's been a problem all season.
Last night that ump had a postage stamp strike zone. One time Quintana threw a low strike and it was called a ball. Then he threw a high strike and that was called a ball.
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Subway series still alive…That's it! ANSWER 'EM! When they score, we score!
The more runs we score in this game, the more runs we'll score in LA!
Happy for Alonso. He got absolutely murdered by those idiots at FAN ( the only guy I like there is Tiki. The rest are a bunch of morons.)
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LOVE the fight in this team. However, the picking seems to have fallen off a cliff. Mets aren’t going to score this many runs game after game. We need some serious pitching stoppers.
Dodgers are usually an all or nothing team as well.
In this series not so much.
The dodgers have no pitching they trust other than the relievers
the dodgers are getting great work from the no bodies in the order, can that last 6-7 days in a row?
In this series not so much.
The dodgers have no pitching they trust other than the relievers
the dodgers are getting great work from the no bodies in the order, can that last 6-7 days in a row?
I like the Mets chances of Manea vs bullpen game, but the Mets hitters gotta fight for every at bat again. No easy strikeouts please.
Manea looked looked like manure tonight
He was on fumes today.
The umps seem to have an insanely small strike zone on Mets pitchers this off season and the Dodgers don’t swing at anything outside the zone. Bad combo for a team that doesn’t really have swing and miss stuff outside of the starters.
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The Mets lost to a better team. I had hoped they could pull of a win against the Dodger's bullpen and get a 7th game but it was not to be. Manea pitched a career high number of innings this season and just didn't have anything left. Next year we need a better start and to try to avoid the first round. The grind of fighting all season to get into the wild card race and then into the playoffs (on the last day of the season) and then win two series just to get to the NLCS was too much. Looking at their records, I'm not sure our starting pitching will hold up next years. These guys all seemed to have career years or close to it:
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Getting Senga back will help. Maybe Megill or Scott will develop into starters. Maybe we'll bring in a top free agent pitcher or make a trade. The day-to-day line-up will continue to evolve and become very good. I think the depth of the organization will continue to grow as well.
I've always said that the Mets can't have the Yankees past but I think they can have the Yankees present and future: being their leagues New York franchise and having the money and management to put a quality product on the field every year. We should have a long run of winning seasons, be in the playoffs more often than not, get into at least a couple of world series a decade and each generation should have at least one MLB champion to remember. I think that's going to happen.
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Getting Senga back will help. Maybe Megill or Scott will develop into starters. Maybe we'll bring in a top free agent pitcher or make a trade. The day-to-day line-up will continue to evolve and become very good. I think the depth of the organization will continue to grow as well.
I've always said that the Mets can't have the Yankees past but I think they can have the Yankees present and future: being their leagues New York franchise and having the money and management to put a quality product on the field every year. We should have a long run of winning seasons, be in the playoffs more often than not, get into at least a couple of world series a decade and each generation should have at least one MLB champion to remember. I think that's going to happen.
A lot of question marks around Mets pitching…The Mets lost to a better team. I had hoped they could pull of a win against the Dodger's bullpen and get a 7th game but it was not to be. Manea pitched a career high number of innings this season and just didn't have anything left. Next year we need a better start and to try to avoid the first round. The grind of fighting all season to get into the wild card race and then into the playoffs (on the last day of the season) and then win two series just to get to the NLCS was too much. Looking at their records, I'm not sure our starting pitching will hold up next years. These guys all seemed to have career years or close to it:
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Getting Senga back will help. Maybe Megill or Scott will develop into starters. Maybe we'll bring in a top free agent pitcher or make a trade. The day-to-day line-up will continue to evolve and become very good. I think the depth of the organization will continue to grow as well.
I've always said that the Mets can't have the Yankees past but I think they can have the Yankees present and future: being their leagues New York franchise and having the money and management to put a quality product on the field every year. We should have a long run of winning seasons, be in the playoffs more often than not, get into at least a couple of world series a decade and each generation should have at least one MLB champion to remember. I think that's going to happen.
Scott had tommy John surgery a month ago so we won’t see him next year.
Senga needs to prove he can stay healthy… the Dodgers crushed him
Megill is at best a number 5 innings eater
The pen has two high leverage guys in Diaz and Stanek… the rest is just filler
I think Peterson has upside. I also hope they keep Manea around and at least one of Quintana and Severino.
Good news is I think Mets payroll drops to $150mm because all of the dead money they are paying to last years guys is off the books. I trust Stearns to do good stuff with Cohen’s money.
Outside of pitching the main question is what do they do with Pete? I don’t know if he’s worth more than $25mm a year and he will want way more. Vientos might be a better all around hitter with less power though and can play first. Mauricio is coming back.
Acuna made a case to play 2nd but maybe not full time. I think he starts the year in Syracuse and is in nyc by August. Same with Mauricio.
Will be a fun offseason!
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For me the season’s results were unexpected and much appreciated. To be one of the final 4 teams playing made baseball fun again. I’m hopeful for next year because I think Stearns is doing a good job. It will be a VERY interesting off season. Will we resign Pete? Can we lure Soto from the Bronx? Can we upgrade the pitching staff?
Englesis ran out of gas at the end as well.. He was an energy guy hitting 300 and hit the wall
Ar least Pete hit a few HRs in the playoffs
Vientos came thru and Alvarez
Marte played well
McNeil got hurt a the wrong time aas did Nimmo
Even the last game leaving 10 guys in over 4 innings they had chances and not sure they even hit one ball solid in all that
But then the Dodgers got the .200 hitters to hit .500 and Muncy just stood there and got walked 20 times
Ar least Pete hit a few HRs in the playoffs
Vientos came thru and Alvarez
Marte played well
McNeil got hurt a the wrong time aas did Nimmo
Even the last game leaving 10 guys in over 4 innings they had chances and not sure they even hit one ball solid in all that
But then the Dodgers got the .200 hitters to hit .500 and Muncy just stood there and got walked 20 times
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A lot of mixed emotions here. Definitely proud of this team. This was supposed to be a rebuilding season. Certainly looked that way in April and May but the turnaround in June was incredible. Never in a million years did I expect them to get to Game 6 of the NLCS.
Having said that, once you get this far in the postseason, you want them to take advantage of that. We saw what happened with a 100 win season two years ago and teams like the Phillies this year. No guarantee a great regular season is going to get you far in the postseason. I think the Mets are definitely on the upswing and I expect them to be in contention for the NL East. Hope things break their way and can find their way to a World Series soon.
Having said that, once you get this far in the postseason, you want them to take advantage of that. We saw what happened with a 100 win season two years ago and teams like the Phillies this year. No guarantee a great regular season is going to get you far in the postseason. I think the Mets are definitely on the upswing and I expect them to be in contention for the NL East. Hope things break their way and can find their way to a World Series soon.
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I liked Maton.
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42 walks in 6 games was a killer. I heard Bud Poliquin on the radio today saying it drives him crazy when a pitcher with an 0-2 or 1-2 count gets the ball anywhere near the plate. It drives me crazy to go from an 0-2 count to a 3-2 count and then maybe a walk. I think every pitch should at least look like something the hitter might want to swing at. With all the curves, sliders, splitter and sweepers and the velocity and movement on fastballs, that's no point in throwing a pitch a catcher has to stand up to catch or one he has to field in the dirt. A pitcher with an 0-2 count should be trying to strike the guy out.
It also killed me when the Dodgers, with a line up full of guys everyone has heard of, beat us with the guys nobody has heard of. We could have beaten Ohtani, Betts and Freeman. We got beat by Edman, the Hernandezes, Muncy and Pages.
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Gary Cohen made a great point: The games in April and May are important because they set you up for what you have to do at the end of the season. If you start 24-35, it's going to be a long hall to get into the playoffs and then you have to win FOUR post season series to get the trophy. You're going to wear everybody out, including your pitching staff. Get off to a good start, keep it going and maybe you can clinch early, skip the first round and have something left in the tank for the CS and the WS. This season was like climbing the Matterhorn - because all the games matter.
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It was a good year with a really nice finish to the season. I am sad to see it end because I think this group had a certain chemistry that was special.
There are a lot of free agents on the team that won't be returning and the team next year will be markedly different. Maybe better. Maybe not.
Free agents:
Pete Alonso
Harrison Bader
Jose Iglesias
JD Martinez
Jesse Winker
Sean Manaea*
Jose Quintana
Luis Severino
Brooks Raley
Adam Ottavino
Ryne Stanek
Drew Smith
*=Manaea is not technically a free agent but he has an opt out after this year and I think everyone expects him to take it.
If that happens, right now you have Senga, Peterson and Blackburn as returning starting pitchers. Scott is under contract but even with the new Tommy John surgery, the Mets will be fortunate if they get him back for September. I guess you could put Butto in as a possibility here but he looked solid as a reliever and they have major weaknesses there too, so I think they probably keep him there.
I don't think any of the young Met pitchers will be ready to join the rotation next season. Vasil and Hamel really struggled with Syracuse this year. Maybe Sproat will be ready. But he really got rocked when he was called up to Syracuse. He probably needs at least another few months at AAA. Tidwell is another guy who got called up late and struggled.
Looking at this list of free agents, my guess is that the Mets only try and sign Alonso and
You ideally want to bring up a couple young guys to become regulars each season. The logical guys for next year are Ronnie Mauricio, Brett Baty, Drew Gilbert and Luis Angel Acuna. I would not be surprised though if Jett Williams jumps some of these guys. He gets on base, works the count, is really fast, can play a bunch of positions and is going to be really good.
You want to go young and athletic? Put Mauricio at second, Baty at third, Vientos at first and make Acuna a super sub. I doubr that happens.
I think if they let Pete go, Vientos moves to first and Maurcio and Baty platoon at third until they figure out which guy is most ready to play. Acuna probably stays down at Syracuse, McNeil holds down second for a while until mangement decides they are ready to call up Acuna or Williams and let them play second. Can't see them signing Iglesius. OMG. I don't see them signing a free agent guy at first. If they don't sign Pete, it is because they think they have options in house and want to spend that payroll at other positions. Vientos is going to play. It is just a question of whether it is at first, third or DH. Maybe they end up with Baty at first, Vientos at DH and Mauricio at third? Lots of options. If you want to free up payroll to say, add a high priced outfielder and a couple starting pitchers and experienced capable relievers, this is a way to go.
If they re-sign Pete, Vientos will probably move to the DH spot. I think there is no way JD is re-signed. I think Mark is good enough to play third long term but he will always be a defensive liability. Baty and Mauricio look like they have more athletic ability and range. Especially Mauricio.
In the outfield, you have Nimmo returning. He is coming off his first fairly bad year. Was banged up for some of it. I think be might have gotten caught up trying too hard to justify his new high salary too. Hopefully he returns to normal next season.
Starling Marte has one year left on his contract. For much of the year I would have been okay with eating it and releasing him this winter but he looked a lot better after he came back and was finally healthy. He is likely to play a lot when and if he is healthy. But you have to have an extra outfielder in case he gets hurt again. Which is llikely at this point in his career.
Tyrone Taylor has a lot of talent and at times looks like an all star. And then he chases 5 sliders 1 foot outside the strike zone and you change your mind. He is a good fourth outfielder but it is unfortunate he bats righthanded, like Marte, so you can't platoon him.
I think Drew Gilbert, who does bat lefty, is going to be a starter at some point during the season. He was hurt almost the entire 2024 season and this has slowed his ascent to MLB but he knows the strike zone, can hit for average with some power, has a lot of range and a really strong arm. Might win a gold glove someday. There is a lot to like with him. But he will surely start the season in Syracuse.
Who else do they have? McNeil can play outfield and is one of the best defensive outfielders they have. I would not be surprised if the Mets try to re-sign Winker and I would not be surprised if he signs with them. Seemed to really enjoy playing here and the Mets need a left handed hitting outfielder. I think there is little chance of Bader signing with the Mets. He really wants to play and I think he will go to a team that needs a light hitting, good fielding center fielder. Mauricio and Acuna could also end up in the outfield, and maybe Jett Williams as well.
They might start the season with Taylor in center, Nimmo in left and Marte in right. Or they might bring in a power hitting right fielder. If the price is right. If the Mets didn't have to many holes to fill in the starting rotation and with relievers, I would be really excited to sign Soto. I just don't know how you can do that, and address all the other needs this team has.
We have to add 2 or 3 starting pitchers. Maybe 4. We have to add 3 or 4 relief pitchers. Don't see a lot of help from the farm system that is almost ready for MLB. Gotta be via trades or free agency. It has to be tempting to trade one of the infielders. Maybe two of them.
One thing is for certain. It is going to be a very interesting off season.
There are a lot of free agents on the team that won't be returning and the team next year will be markedly different. Maybe better. Maybe not.
Free agents:
Pete Alonso
Harrison Bader
Jose Iglesias
JD Martinez
Jesse Winker
Sean Manaea*
Jose Quintana
Luis Severino
Brooks Raley
Adam Ottavino
Ryne Stanek
Drew Smith
*=Manaea is not technically a free agent but he has an opt out after this year and I think everyone expects him to take it.
If that happens, right now you have Senga, Peterson and Blackburn as returning starting pitchers. Scott is under contract but even with the new Tommy John surgery, the Mets will be fortunate if they get him back for September. I guess you could put Butto in as a possibility here but he looked solid as a reliever and they have major weaknesses there too, so I think they probably keep him there.
I don't think any of the young Met pitchers will be ready to join the rotation next season. Vasil and Hamel really struggled with Syracuse this year. Maybe Sproat will be ready. But he really got rocked when he was called up to Syracuse. He probably needs at least another few months at AAA. Tidwell is another guy who got called up late and struggled.
Looking at this list of free agents, my guess is that the Mets only try and sign Alonso and
You ideally want to bring up a couple young guys to become regulars each season. The logical guys for next year are Ronnie Mauricio, Brett Baty, Drew Gilbert and Luis Angel Acuna. I would not be surprised though if Jett Williams jumps some of these guys. He gets on base, works the count, is really fast, can play a bunch of positions and is going to be really good.
You want to go young and athletic? Put Mauricio at second, Baty at third, Vientos at first and make Acuna a super sub. I doubr that happens.
I think if they let Pete go, Vientos moves to first and Maurcio and Baty platoon at third until they figure out which guy is most ready to play. Acuna probably stays down at Syracuse, McNeil holds down second for a while until mangement decides they are ready to call up Acuna or Williams and let them play second. Can't see them signing Iglesius. OMG. I don't see them signing a free agent guy at first. If they don't sign Pete, it is because they think they have options in house and want to spend that payroll at other positions. Vientos is going to play. It is just a question of whether it is at first, third or DH. Maybe they end up with Baty at first, Vientos at DH and Mauricio at third? Lots of options. If you want to free up payroll to say, add a high priced outfielder and a couple starting pitchers and experienced capable relievers, this is a way to go.
If they re-sign Pete, Vientos will probably move to the DH spot. I think there is no way JD is re-signed. I think Mark is good enough to play third long term but he will always be a defensive liability. Baty and Mauricio look like they have more athletic ability and range. Especially Mauricio.
In the outfield, you have Nimmo returning. He is coming off his first fairly bad year. Was banged up for some of it. I think be might have gotten caught up trying too hard to justify his new high salary too. Hopefully he returns to normal next season.
Starling Marte has one year left on his contract. For much of the year I would have been okay with eating it and releasing him this winter but he looked a lot better after he came back and was finally healthy. He is likely to play a lot when and if he is healthy. But you have to have an extra outfielder in case he gets hurt again. Which is llikely at this point in his career.
Tyrone Taylor has a lot of talent and at times looks like an all star. And then he chases 5 sliders 1 foot outside the strike zone and you change your mind. He is a good fourth outfielder but it is unfortunate he bats righthanded, like Marte, so you can't platoon him.
I think Drew Gilbert, who does bat lefty, is going to be a starter at some point during the season. He was hurt almost the entire 2024 season and this has slowed his ascent to MLB but he knows the strike zone, can hit for average with some power, has a lot of range and a really strong arm. Might win a gold glove someday. There is a lot to like with him. But he will surely start the season in Syracuse.
Who else do they have? McNeil can play outfield and is one of the best defensive outfielders they have. I would not be surprised if the Mets try to re-sign Winker and I would not be surprised if he signs with them. Seemed to really enjoy playing here and the Mets need a left handed hitting outfielder. I think there is little chance of Bader signing with the Mets. He really wants to play and I think he will go to a team that needs a light hitting, good fielding center fielder. Mauricio and Acuna could also end up in the outfield, and maybe Jett Williams as well.
They might start the season with Taylor in center, Nimmo in left and Marte in right. Or they might bring in a power hitting right fielder. If the price is right. If the Mets didn't have to many holes to fill in the starting rotation and with relievers, I would be really excited to sign Soto. I just don't know how you can do that, and address all the other needs this team has.
We have to add 2 or 3 starting pitchers. Maybe 4. We have to add 3 or 4 relief pitchers. Don't see a lot of help from the farm system that is almost ready for MLB. Gotta be via trades or free agency. It has to be tempting to trade one of the infielders. Maybe two of them.
One thing is for certain. It is going to be a very interesting off season.
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I don't know that Alonso will come back regardless - you don't sign with Boras if that's your plan.
If they sign him, awesome - but if the choice is overpaying for a 30 year old power hitter who may drop off a cliff in performance (which appears likely based on the trajectory of other part power hitters and his season this year), or letting him walk because someone else was willing to overpay him - they've gotta let him walk and be OK with that decision.
EDIT - I wouldn't be shocked if Bader took a "hometown discount" to return - he really seemed to like being able to have dinner at his mom's house occasionally during the season.
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I like Bader. There is a place for a guy who can play defense like he can. I think with the right approach and some effort, he can become a more than passable hitter too.
I think one of Gilbert, Acuna or Williams is going to end up being the long term CF, but I am not sure any of them will be ready until 2026.
Maybe Harrison would be down with a one year contract with the Mets? I think Taylor is adequate in CF but would rather see him at LF or RF, where he could win a gold glove.
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They don’t want Bader back. Why would they? They have Taylor who’s a more than capable 4th OF.
