30 for 30. For real?

[All4SU]

Watched the espn sports documentary on the demise of the Big east. Some great moments captured there. But I was surprised how badly Syracuse was depicted. The departure of Miami, VT and BC was largely handled with the line, "Miami, Virginia Tech and BC decided to leave." But then they go on and on about SU, how that "hurt." (Little mention of Pitt.). Basically SU was suggested to be the evil one in search of bigger money.

I think they missed the mark a bit.

 

[rrlbees]

Didn't like the 10 page thread huh?

 

[All4SU]

Didn't like the 10 page thread huh?

Oops...guess I missed it. Delete! Delete!

 

[rrlbees]

Oops...guess I missed it. Delete! Delete!

No problem. Just busting your chops. No need to delete.

 

[All4SU]

Wait. I just found it on the Basketball board. I never even look at the basketball board.

 

[Chip]

Yeah, hoops board is terrible, I think talking about the football side of it here is probably good. As good as I thought that show was, they really didn't portray 2003 all that accurately. Might have been cut for time, but as we all know, it didn't go down as easily as Miami, VT, BC just leaving for greener pastures.

As to the "Syracuse hurt" that was from Louie. I actually took it as a compliment. The biggest takeaway from that show is that Syracuse was the Big East. And when Syracuse left, the Big East was done.

JOC's comment on the hoops board summed up perfectly my feelings about Georgetown and their anger over us leaving.

 

[Cuseman78]

As to the "Syracuse hurt" that was from Louie. I actually took it as a compliment. The biggest takeaway from that show is that Syracuse was the Big East. And when Syracuse left, the Big East was done.

I took it the same way. Louie's comment made me proud.

 

[texasorange]

I took it as a compliment also. They said we were the heart and soul the Big East and I think we were.

 

[OrangeBlood]

Lets be honest, the Big East died because the basketball onlys were bringing it down. The football schools were carrying it and SU, WVU, PITT, UofL and RU were sick of it and there was A LOT more money to be made else where.

As JB said anyway, why do we want to play USF, DePaul, Marquette? That isn't the Big East..

The part of the documentary where the G'Town AD voted to not allow PSU in, describes the problem perfectly. They just didn't care about football and were selfish. It killed the league.

Now Seton Hall, PC, G'town and St. Johns can enjoy their mid-major league. They made that bed.

 

[OrangePA]

The Georgetown AD Came Off Poorly.

 

[OrangeAl]

The Georgetown AD Came Off Poorly.

Yeah, he seemed proud of being selfish and shortsighted.
And Dave Gavitt left the Big East long before Syracuse did.

 

[cmr27]

From a football point of view:

1.) I'm tired of hearing about how college football only gets its way because of money. College football is more protective of its traditions than college basketball. Rivalries and relationships are deeper. Schools are linked over time in a way they are not by basketball and it is not a surprise they will fight harder to preserve it. It's more than money. Cuse/Gtown is a rivalry that reached football-level intensity. But even now, amid all the lamenting about the demise of the Big East, a sizeable portion of the fan bases don't care if they play each other again. That is the thinking that killed the Big East.

2.) With basketball, it's hard to tell whether success is due to one unique person (JB, K) or the larger program. Foundations are deeper in football. Before Saban, there was Bear. Before P, there was Mac. Before Mac, there was Ben. There is a lineage at successful football schools. The "one and done" factor kills basketball. Schools have never been able to cut a deal with the NBA to protect their quality. Old BE hoops teams had real personalities. There is so much mediocrity now.

3.) College basketball watered down their product even more than football if that's possible. I'm old enough to remember when Big Monday actually meant something on the TV schedule. You can watch 10 games a night now November through February. There is more scarcity in football so of course it is more valuable.

Look, I love college hoops but football is more valuable and better managed -- the two tend to go hand in hand. Unfortunately, no one has really been able to crack the code on how to run a Top 10 football program and Top 10 basketball program at the same time over a consistent period. Florida is close with the giant sums it pours into football but see point 2 about Donovan and the hoops program. Syracuse almost got there in the 1990s. Until that happens, it looks like the schools are kinda forced to pick between the two, which is too bad for us fans.

 

[Millhouse]

Didn't like the 10 page thread huh?

I think we need a separate football thread about it because there are too many hoops onlys posters who just don't get it

 

[Millhouse]

Yeah, hoops board is terrible, I think talking about the football side of it here is probably good. As good as I thought that show was, they really didn't portray 2003 all that accurately. Might have been cut for time, but as we all know, it didn't go down as easily as Miami, VT, BC just leaving for greener pastures.

As to the "Syracuse hurt" that was from Louie. I actually took it as a compliment. The biggest takeaway from that show is that Syracuse was the Big East. And when Syracuse left, the Big East was done.

JOC's comment on the hoops board summed up perfectly my feelings about Georgetown and their anger over us leaving.

All because of the dome. It is still the best stage in basketball. helped everybody make the leap.

 

[Alsacs]

Didn't like the 10 page thread huh?

No, because that thread turned into a racial/political debate which was unnecessary. That 10 page thread is why civil discourse in the country is declining. Nowadays, every debate typically has 1 person who wants bring crap into a debate that makes its annoying, and for the record in that thread I don't think that person was you.

 

[cuseinchina]

All because of the dome. It is still the best stage in basketball. helped everybody make the leap.

Right but the dome was a bad investment in your opinion right?

 

[Millhouse]

Right but the dome was a bad investment in your opinion right?

just shut up already . it would've been a great investment for Syracuse. it's not a great investment for people who don't care about syracuse or the other schools it helped. i think we should keep it

 

[KaiserUEO]

any intelligent thoughts as to why Crouthamel wasnt in it?? i wouldve loved to hear his perspective. gtown had the prez and JT, so having 2 Cuse guys, 1 being a BIG football guy wouldve been ap pro po. it was definetly slanted towards telling the woe is me hoop side, but i still think a little of him wouldve been good.

 

[Millhouse]

any intelligent thoughts as to why Crouthamel wasnt in it?? i wouldve loved to hear his perspective. gtown had the prez and JT, so having 2 Cuse guys, 1 being a BIG football guy wouldve been ap pro po. it was definetly slanted towards telling the woe is me hoop side, but i still think a little of him wouldve been good.

i'd love to know what made the cutting room floor. he probably wouldn't have given the director much red meat

 

[storange]

I always said Syracuse was the Big East, at least moreso then any other BE school. 2011 we killed any chance of BE survival. I'm sure of that. BC was less ethical in the way they went about things but who cares anymore. Like it was said in the film, in the last years ADs had Mikey T on one line and the Big 10 or ACC on the other, kind of disgusting, and we were part of it.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

any intelligent thoughts as to why Crouthamel wasnt in it?? i wouldve loved to hear his perspective. gtown had the prez and JT, so having 2 Cuse guys, 1 being a BIG football guy wouldve been ap pro po. it was definetly slanted towards telling the woe is me hoop side, but i still think a little of him wouldve been good.

Would have been great... Smoke filled office and Jake just spouts off. Perfect

 

[OrangePA]

any intelligent thoughts as to why Crouthamel wasnt in it?? i wouldve loved to hear his perspective. gtown had the prez and JT, so having 2 Cuse guys, 1 being a BIG football guy wouldve been ap pro po. it was definetly slanted towards telling the woe is me hoop side, but i still think a little of him wouldve been good.

Maybe health issues.

 

[cuseinchina]

just shut up already . it would've been a great investment for Syracuse. it's not a great investment for people who don't care about syracuse or the other schools it helped. i think we should keep it

couldn't help myself on that one...apologies.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Maybe health issues.

the 1 answer i was thinking, but not saying.

 

[OrangePA]

The Big East piece was, as everybody has observed, just outstanding.

The Georgetown AD confirmed the short-sighted perspective of the BB schools - "why should their problem be my problem?"

Or, the AD simply confirmed that the end result - the establishment of the Catholic School BB Only Conference we now see - is what he and the other two votes wanted all along.

I would like to know more about that strange non-conference conference - the ECAC.

What was it it exactly?

Was it simply a vehicle for adminstering/scheduling the Olympic sports, which in some respects included BB back then??