We can agree to disagree, don’t want to have a whole thread of us just going back and forth. But I believe when the mistakes are self inflicted and can be avoided with better execution and having situational awareness, it rides a fine line between deserving to win and escaping with a close win.
Who argued that they didn’t escape? We all know that. Deserving to win and actually winning is two different things. That’s not debatable. Lol it’s fine id you want to chalk it up as a loss but moral losses don’t show up on the record books.
Then where is your line on playing poorly and escaping, compared to playing poorly and winning when you don’t deserve to? Because like you already know I think this game is an example of the latter. You had Garrett missing wide open receivers, you had him moving backwards in the pocket instead of stepping up resulting in sacks, you had him stepping out of bounds rather than throwing the ball away, obviously we’ve been over the 4 turnovers, all preventable things.. I think we got lucky that Tony Elliott didn’t run the ball as much as they did, they gashed us for 150 yards on the ground, we showed no ability to stop it especially after Terry Lockett went down. I think we got lucky against a poorly coached team, and while we were able to pull out the win, we didn’t deserve to. The only reason it became a game is because we let it become one. Just because Virginia isn’t a good team and we’re better than them and we don’t need to play our best to be able to pull out the win, doesn’t mean we automatically deserve it. You have to earn it, and in my opinion we didn’t do that on Friday night.
Sounds like a serious injury
They didn’t play their best game but isn’t that obvious? Why do I have to say that in every post. Lol. They are 25th in the coaches poll and I’m sitting here telling you we are not that good. That should tell you all you need to know about my critique of this team.
Might make sense to hold them out of this next game and give them a few weeks to recuperate.
So you just disagree with the sentiment of my statement, and that’s fine. I’ve had multiple coaches through my years tell us when we didn’t play well enough and when we didn’t deserve to win. The adversity we faced was all self inflicted, it wasn’t like Virginia played so well we were just stiffled, we did it to ourselves, if Virginia was just outplaying us I’d completely agree with you, but that’s not what happened.
Exactly, they got the ball with 70+ seconds to kick a field goal and didn't Because we had 4 terrific defensive possessions.
Giving your opponent gift TD's with bad fumbles by 2 of your better players is a problem that better be fixed this week.
Self inflicted? Peña getting blasted on kick off was self inflicted? UVA had great coverage on the Shrader’s throw. He forced that one on him. Every team works on chase punch strip in their takeaway circuits. Tucker didn’t just hand the ball to UVA . It came from the efforts of UVA’s defender doing what he is coached to do when he is behind the runner.
But no, we dont deserve to win because the game didnt go exactly how I wanted. lol
You are doing a lot of heavy lifting in this thread. Kudos
There are pieces here for a very good team, take care of the ball, need a couple of receivers to step up and be consistent every game.
GS not going through progressions and missing wide open streaking players is self inflicted. Pena had no business returning that kick, no matter how talented of a return man he is, there was absolutely no lane, he ran directly into the blockers that got pushed back into him. Self inflicted.. You act like me saying we didn’t deserve to win means that Virginia played flawlessly and did no wrong, and just couldn’t finish. We played down to our competition and made mistakes on mistakes on mistakes to allow them back in the football game.
No game goes as planned, there’s no perfect football script, that doesn’t mean everytime you win you deserved it. I used to think you had a clue, but now I think you’re just a soft football coach who gets props on this board because you understand X’s and O’s more so than the casual viewer.
That’s exactly what I’m saying, and again, the execution part of it was all self inflicted, not going through reads, moving backwards in the pocket, stepping out of bounds rather than throwing it away. We played down to our competition and made mistakes repetitively all night long. If you or anybody else disagrees with me saying we didn’t deserve to win the game that’s perfectly fine with me, it’s an opinion, and an opinion that’s on a fine line.
Yes I disagree. You can say we could have lost but not deserve to lose. Thats something entirely different. You are using Louisville as the standard when UVA and Purdue games respresents more of what we have shown. Both games were tight wins. If we can play more like we did against Louisville than my expectations will rise.
And that’s fine, my opinion isn’t the be all end all, it’s just my opinion. And I wouldn’t say I’m using the Ville game as the standard, because I don’t think we’re as good as we were led to believe from that performance. I think the offense will improve as the season goes on like it always does when you have players still learning a completely new offensive system, there’s going to be ups and downs from an offensive standpoint undoubtedly. It just looked from my perspective that what we were struggling with Friday night wasn’t just an offensive slump due to the new system or anything Virginia was doing specifically, but rather us shooting ourselves in the foot which is why I said what I said.
Good points
I think this is an interesting idea.
The only game I can remember that I would say we didn't deserve to win was the 2011 game vs Toledo where the refs clearly blew our missed extra point to send the game into overtime where we won. The replay, which was played repeated on national TV, showed it was unmistakably wide left.
