Bottom line, ACC football players should be given the chance to play every team home and away in a four-year career. What they have now sucks.
Miami-VT would be a lock.If you assume Duke-GT, you get the following:
BC: SU - Pitt
SU: BC - Pitt
Pitt: SU - BC - Miami (probably)
UL:
VT: UVA
UVA: VT - UNC (South’s Oldest Rivalry)
UNC: UVA - Duke (rival) - NCSU (instate public)
Duke: UNC - GT (Duke-GT assumption) - WF (instate private)
NCSU: UNC - WF (instate + play now) - CU (Textile Bowl)
WF: Duke - NCSU
CU: NCSU - GT (rival) - FSU (rival)
GT: Duke - CU - FSU (FSU alumni base in ATL)
FSU: CU - GT - Miami (rival)
Miami: Pitt - FSU
I’m reasonably confident in the above, which leaves:
BC ... 1 open
SU ... 1 open
UL ... 3 open
VT ... 2 open
UVA ... 1 open
WF .. 1 open
Miami .. 1 open
*I assume UVA would want WF.
*I assume that VT will want UL over SU or BC, and VT will want Miami over SU or BC. Those assumptions necessitate a VT-UL game.
Now the situation is:
BC ... 1
SU ... 1
UL ... 2
VT ... 1
Miami ... 1
If Miami prefers VT over UL, then UL-SU and UL-BC has to happen. Otherwise, one of BC and SU gets UL and the other gets VT. BC-VT is an existing rivalry, but it’s a forced rivalry in name only. SU has played in the same conference as UL, but there’s no real shared history. SU and VT have some memorable games, so, while there’s no real rivalry, there is juice. The ACC also “owes” SU from the raid, esp. at BC/VT’s expense. I imagine VT would get to decide if they have strong feelings, but I doubt that they do. Then I imagine SU is next in line (bigger school than BC, more history, karma from the raid, and a basketball program that contributes to the conference). After SU, I imagine BC has pull and then UL will get what they’re given. I can’t imagine SU turning down VT for UL. So, my guess is SU-VT and BC-UL.
If the above is true, the decision that drives our fate is Miami wanting UL over VT. That decision dictates whether we’d come out looking great (VT) or stuck with the worst possible outcome (UL).
THIS ^^^^^. Virginia-Duke is happening.Also Duke-Wake isn’t a lock as I think UVA-Duke is more likely.
If you assume Duke-GT, you get the following:
BC: SU - Pitt
SU: BC - Pitt
Pitt: SU - BC - Miami (probably)
UL:
VT: UVA
UVA: VT - UNC (South’s Oldest Rivalry)
UNC: UVA - Duke (rival) - NCSU (instate public)
Duke: UNC - GT (Duke-GT assumption) - WF (instate private)
NCSU: UNC - WF (instate + play now) - CU (Textile Bowl)
WF: Duke - NCSU
CU: NCSU - GT (rival) - FSU (rival)
GT: Duke - CU - FSU (FSU alumni base in ATL)
FSU: CU - GT - Miami (rival)
Miami: Pitt - FSU
I’m reasonably confident in the above, which leaves:
BC ... 1 open
SU ... 1 open
UL ... 3 open
VT ... 2 open
UVA ... 1 open
WF .. 1 open
Miami .. 1 open
*I assume UVA would want WF.
*I assume that VT will want UL over SU or BC, and VT will want Miami over SU or BC. Those assumptions necessitate a VT-UL game.
Now the situation is:
BC ... 1
SU ... 1
UL ... 2
VT ... 1
Miami ... 1
If Miami prefers VT over UL, then UL-SU and UL-BC has to happen. Otherwise, one of BC and SU gets UL and the other gets VT. BC-VT is an existing rivalry, but it’s a forced rivalry in name only. SU has played in the same conference as UL, but there’s no real shared history. SU and VT have some memorable games, so, while there’s no real rivalry, there is juice. The ACC also “owes” SU from the raid, esp. at BC/VT’s expense. I imagine VT would get to decide if they have strong feelings, but I doubt that they do. Then I imagine SU is next in line (bigger school than BC, more history, karma from the raid, and a basketball program that contributes to the conference). After SU, I imagine BC has pull and then UL will get what they’re given. I can’t imagine SU turning down VT for UL. So, my guess is SU-VT and BC-UL.
If the above is true, the decision that drives our fate is Miami wanting UL over VT. That decision dictates whether we’d come out looking great (VT) or stuck with the worst possible outcome (UL).
They do.I wouldn't assume that Clemson and FSU want to play yearly. If there are no divisions it is better to have the potential of both teams entering the CCG having not yet played. Also Duke likely rather play UVA than Wake.
Re: PSU--Some random observations -
- UVa has to play UNC and Va Tech each year; beyond that, the third slot is wide open.
- Duke has played Ga Tech every year starting in 1937. That probably helped to convince Ga Tech to join the ACC as the replacement for South Carolina.
- Louisville is over 100 miles closer to Va Tech than it is to UVa. The fans on the Louisville board are already clamoring for a switch of the annual crossover game to them from us. The reason they play UVa each year in football and basketball is that when Maryland left, Greensboro simply took everyone's schedules and wherever "Maryland" appeared, they crossed it out and wrote in "Louisville". They even picked up Maryland's home-away rotations in the Olympic Sports.
- As Alsacs mentioned, Ga Tech is the nearest school to Florida State.
- It's easy to overestimate how much say UVa has in choosing its third partner.
- The scheduling won't change until the present rule about championship games is changed. That would require the SEC and B1G to admit the ACC isn't going to implode. The crazy thing is, the big guns of the SEC and B1G, especially Penn State, would benefit the most from 3-5-5.
Penn State’s 3 would be Ohio State, Maryland, Rutgers.Re: PSU--
Would their "3" be Rutgers, UMd, and MSU? Not very attractive, but a good start on making the league championship game.
Yes. That's what I came up with when I tried to map out the B1G's 3-5-5. They'd do everything they could to keep that OSU and Meeshigan from being in the same rotating slate, so they'd only have to play one of them each year.Re: PSU--
Would their "3" be Rutgers, UMd, and MSU? Not very attractive, but a good start on making the league championship game.
I came up with:Penn State’s 3 would be Ohio State, Maryland, Rutgers.
Penn State-Ohio State was protected annual when the conference was only 11.
Penn State would benefit because they could make conference title game a lot easier if they didn’t have Ohio State as the division favorite every year.
Before the Big Ten expanded from 11 to 12 each Big Ten team got to protect 2 games that were played every year.I came up with:
PSU - Rutgers, UMd, Michigan State (who can forget the Land Grant Trophy!)
thatOSU - Michigan, Michigan State, one of Rutgers/UMd,
Michigan - that OSU, Michigan State, the other of Rutgers/UMd
Michigan State - Michigan, PSU, thatOSU (no change to their brutal schedule)
UMd - PSU, Rutgers, one of Michigan/thatOSU
Rutgers - PSU, UMd, the other of Michigan/thatOSU
Illinois - Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue
Purdue - Indian, Northwestern, Illinois
Northwestern - Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Indiana - Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
Iowa - Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Wisconsin - Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska
Nebraska - Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota
Minnesota - Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska
I think PSU would like to split thatOSU and Meeshigan to make their path to the championship game easier.
Miami - VT could very well be the case.Miami-VT would be a lock.
They have played every year since the Big East and have a solid rivalry.
Also Duke-Wake isn’t a lock as I think UVA-Duke is more likely.
Schools like BC/SU/Wake for football scheduling are going to have to take it up the wazoo.
Which is why I grouped them all together.
There’s no way PSU doesn’t get UMD and RU after being the reason why they were invitedBefore the Big Ten expanded from 11 to 12 each Big Ten team got to protect 2 games that were played every year.
7 of the 8 rotated yearly.
Penn State’s 2 protected teams were Ohio State and Michigan State.
They would prefer Ohio State.
My point was about Ohio State vs Michigan State for PSU.There’s no way PSU doesn’t get UMD and RU after being the reason why they were invited
I do think they’d get tOSU, though.
Ohio State would get Michigan, Penn State, and TBD.
I think we all do.Yeah, me too.
Practically every B1G game is played for some cockamamie trophy.My point was about Ohio State vs Michigan State for PSU.
Maryland and Rutgers would clearly be 2 of Penn State’s 3.
Ohio State would be their 3rd IMO.
Ohio State IMO would want Michigan, Penn State and Illinois. The Illini before the Big Ten expanded used to be 2nd to last game for OSU a lot. They have a trophy game IlliniBuck trophy.
Psst... there’s this scheduling scheme referred to as 3-5-5... John should look into that...
Psst... there’s this scheduling scheme referred to as 3-5-5... John should look into that...
Psst... there’s this scheduling scheme referred to as 3-5-5... John should look into that...
I would bet he is aware of it and is a big proponent. Is the only thing holding it back frorm happening the B1G and its dim witted leadership? With Delaney finally gone, might they finally see this is something that they can benefit from as well and support it?I think putting both of ADJW's comments together he would be in favor of the 3-5-5 format