ACC: New BCS, Orange Bowl, and what we should expect...

[OrangeXtreme]

I agree with you, but common sense is not always the driving force when it comes to the NCAA...So I guess it is possible that an ACC team could play in the semi finals and not be placed in the Orange Bowl even if the Orangebowl is hosting a semi final that year.

If USC is seeded #1, and FSU is seeded #4, and both the Rose and Orange are hosting semi-finals that year, there's no way they would send USC to Miami.

 

[RandygoCuse]

If USC is seeded #1, and FSU is seeded #4, and both the Rose and Orange are hosting semi-finals that year, there's no way they would send USC to Miami.

OK. So in this situation, one would think FSU would go to the Rose Bowl and two other teams (e.g. Oregon and Bama) get the OrangeBowl.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I agree with you, but common sense is not always the driving force when it comes to the NCAA...So I guess it is possible that an ACC team could play in the semi finals and not be placed in the Orange Bowl even if the Orangebowl is hosting a semi final that year.

Ok, my guess is their will be an east coast F4 and a west coast one.

East: Orange, Sugar, and Chikfil
West: Champ, Fiesta and Rose/Cotton

The higher ranked team will stay closer to home. So an ACC Champ could be shipped out of the Orange to the Fiesta because the overall #1 is say the SECs Florida.

Common sense rule still in effect.

 

[rrlbees]

The "Champions Bowl" is a game between the SEC #2 team and the Big12 #2 team. It has NOTHING to do with determining a national champion.

Pairings and seeding procedures for the two semi-final games have yet to be determined.

Theoretically it could be an SEC #1 or Big12 #1 if they aren't one of the 4 selected for a semi final game, or is the Champions Bowl not synonymous with the Sugar Bowl and is totally separate from any of the 6 "access" bowls?

 

[Moontan]

But there are no BCS AQs for the NC.

There never were AQs for the NC.

There were AQs for the BCS bowls. There were 6 AQs for those.
There are now 5 reserved spots for the big 5 conferences. This is akin to AQ status. The NNBE is not one of those conferences.

 

[PeteCalvin]

All you guys have made some great points, but no one has really answered the question of where Rutgers is going to play. Which bowl do they get?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Theoretically it could be an SEC #1 or Big12 #1 if they aren't one of the 4 selected for a semi final game, or is the Champions Bowl not synonymous with the Sugar Bowl and is totally separate from any of the 6 "access" bowls?

I should have said the highest SEC and BEVO team not selected for the playoff.

It's confusing the way they named the Champions Bowl.

The "B1G/PAC Rose Bowl" is always in Pasadena.

The "SEC/BEVO Champions Bowl" will probably rotate between Phoenix and New Orleans. It'll be shared by the Fiesta Bowl and the Sugar Bowl (whichever doesn't have a semi that year).

Don't know what happens to the B1G and PAC representatives when the Rose hosts a semi. They'll end up somewhere, just maybe not against each other.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

All you guys have made some great points, but no one has really answered the question of where Rutgers is going to play. Which bowl do they get?

Snooki and JWoww Bowl in Seaside Heights.

 

[SU2NASA]

The 2 semi finals will rotate between the 6 "major" bowls: Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar, and probably the Cotton and the Pizza.

Fixed.

 

[SU2NASA]

All you guys have made some great points, but no one has really answered the question of where Rutgers is going to play. Which bowl do they get?

 

[orangenirvana]

Right.

But that's no different than what existed before the BCS.

The Sugar had the SEC champ, the Orange had the Big 8 champ and the Rose had the Pac 8 and Big Ten champs.

That changed for the most part with the BCS.

But there are no BCS AQs for the NC.

Yes it is different.

Before the BCS, there were six power conferences with AQ status.

During the BCS, there were six power conferences with AQ status.

Now, after the BCS, there are five power conferences with AQ status.

BTW, when has there ever been an AQ for the National Title?

 

[OrangePA]

Yes it is different.

Before the BCS, there were six power conferences with AQ status.

During the BCS, there were six power conferences with AQ status.

Now, after the BCS, there are five power conferences with AQ status.

BTW, when has there ever been an AQ for the National Title?

There were BSC AQs for the Fiesta, Orange, Sugar and to an extent Rose Bowls under the old system

That is why UConn went to the Fiesta Bowl. That assignment was made per a so-called BCS "AQ."

I have seen nothing to indicate that that kind of AQ will continue to exist.

There will bowl relationships negotiated by the bowls and the conferences - just as there were in the old days under the old pre-BCS system.

But, you seem convinced that there are AQs under the new system, so I guess my understanding my be incorrect.

Give me a link that says that under the new system there will be AQs.

Thanks.

 

[arbitragegls]

Good points on AQ's. So far their are 3 of 6 bowls with tie-ins: Rose (B1G/Pac 12; Champions (SEC/Big 12) and Orange (ACC and TBD but certainly in the Top 15)...
These three bowls will always have one of the teams from the conference contracted with unless in the four year cycle that bowl has the Semis. Note that an ACC champion that is in the semis will play in the Orange if that year the Orange is hosting the semis. If not, the ACC champion will go to one of the 3 other big bowls--GUARANTEED!

So there is really an AQ because the conference champs from the five conferences above will have a contracted bowl to go to. That leaves 1 big bowl and the two semis for that year. That leaves 7 open spots...for the semis (4 teams); other big bowl not contracted and the spot for team in the Orange Bowl...however if any one of the Top 5 conference champions take one of those semis spots, than the number of outstanding bids drops by one...this is because the 3 contract bowls will be conference oriented--Rose, Champions, and Orange so long as not a semi will have their contractual partners in the game.

The BE loses its AQ...so its champion which was typically selected by an BCS bowl will no longer have that status. Boise St. for example if it wins the BE and is 10-2 and outside the Top 15 most likely would not go to one of the Top 6 bowls...
Lastly as indicated previously, these 6 bowls are not sharing with the NCAA but only with teams and conferences...so a major share that went to fund the NCAA is going away.

 

[OrangePA]

Good points on AQ's. So far their are 3 of 6 bowls with tie-ins: Rose (B1G/Pac 12; Champions (SEC/Big 12) and Orange (ACC and TBD but certainly in the Top 15)...
These three bowls will always have one of the teams from the conference contracted with unless in the four year cycle that bowl has the Semis. Note that an ACC champion that is in the semis will play in the Orange if that year the Orange is hosting the semis. If not, the ACC champion will go to one of the 3 other big bowls--GUARANTEED!

So there is really an AQ because the conference champs from the five conferences above will have a contracted bowl to go to. That leaves 1 big bowl and the two semis for that year. That leaves 7 open spots...for the semis (4 teams); other big bowl not contracted and the spot for team in the Orange Bowl...however if any one of the Top 5 conference champions take one of those semis spots, than the number of outstanding bids drops by one...this is because the 3 contract bowls will be conference oriented--Rose, Champions, and Orange so long as not a semi will have their contractual partners in the game.

The BE loses its AQ...so its champion which was typically selected by an BCS bowl will no longer have that status. Boise St. for example if it wins the BE and is 10-2 and outside the Top 15 most likely would not go to one of the Top 6 bowls...
Lastly as indicated previously, these 6 bowls are not sharing with the NCAA but only with teams and conferences...so a major share that went to fund the NCAA is going away.

Again, the new system is really a move back to the pre-BCS days when New Years was dominated by bowl-conference tie-ins.

If you want to characterize those as "AQs" that's fine, but that is different than what exists under the present system.

As I recall all 11 or 12 major football conferences participated in the development of the new system. Does that mean that all will get a share of the bowl system revenue stream?

Since the NCAA will no longer receive revenue, my suspicion is that all football schools will participate in the sharing of revenue - to lesser and greater degrees.

Does anybody know if that is true?

 

[orangenirvana]

There were BSC AQs for the Fiesta, Orange, Sugar and to an extent Rose Bowls under the old system

That is why UConn went to the Fiesta Bowl. That assignment was made per a so-called BCS "AQ."

I have seen nothing to indicate that that kind of AQ will continue to exist.

Not for the Big East it won't.

There will bowl relationships negotiated by the bowls and the conferences - just as there were in the old days under the old pre-BCS system.

But, you seem convinced that there are AQs under the new system, so I guess my understanding my be incorrect.

Give me a link that says that under the new system there will be AQs.

Thanks.

The fact that five conferences have contracts with major bowls is proof that there are still "AQ's" for the five power conferences - SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac 10, and ACC.

I don't care how anyone defines the term "AQ." Your original question in this thread was: "There are no more auto BCS births right?" No, that's not right. Five conferences (SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac 10, and ACC) are guaranteed spots in one of the six major bowls. The other six conferences (Big East, MWC, WAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC) are not guaranteed a spot in those major bowls.

 

[OrangePA]

Not for the Big East it won't.



The fact that five conferences have contracts with major bowls is proof that there are still "AQ's" for the five power conferences - SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac 10, and ACC.

I don't care how anyone defines the term "AQ." Your original question in this thread was: "There are no more auto BCS births right?" No, that's not right. Five conferences (SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac 10, and ACC) are guaranteed spots in one of the six major bowls. The other six conferences (Big East, MWC, WAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC) are not guaranteed a spot in those major bowls.

So, by your definition there will be AQs - based upon bowl tie-ins with conferences.

That's different than the kind of AQ under the present system. Strictly speaking, there will be no more BCS AQs.

What we will see is what we had in the old days - when for example the SEC hosted the Sugar Bowl every year and the Big Eight hosted the Orange Bowl every year and the SWC hosted the Cotton Bowl every year.

In the meantime, there will be a committe that will choose four semi-finalists regardless of conference or bowl tie-ins.

Meaning that there will be a better chance for teams like Boise to make it to the play-offs and perhaps the NC.

I may be wrong, but I don't think I am. I think this system will involve many more teams and will probably spread the money around a bit more.

 

[rrlbees]

Since the NCAA will no longer receive revenue, my suspicion is that all football schools will participate in the sharing of revenue - to lesser and greater degrees.

Does anybody know if that is true?

According to arby and his source it is going to increase by 3-4 times which I just can't see.
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[oldpinepoint]

According to arby and his source it is going to increase by 3-4 times which I just can't see.
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Hey if the Big East is expecting a new TV contract worth 3 times its current value why not the Orange Bowl?

 

[Moontan]

Hey if the Big East is expecting a new TV contract worth 3 times its current value why not the Orange Bowl?

Because most of their BCS representatives have fled for higher ground. The remaining rag-tag conference is not deemed worthy by the other BCS members.

Pre-Bowl BCS Rankings of Big East representative

2011 23 West Virginia
2010 unranked Yukon
2009 3 Cincinnati
2008 12 Cincinnati
2007 9 West Virginia
2006 5 Louisville
2005 11 West Virginia
2004 19 Pittsburgh
2003 10 Miami
2002 1 Miami
2001 ? Miami
2000 ? Miami
1999 ? VPI
1998 ? Syracuse

14 years of the BCS. The BE representatives of 10 of those years will not be in the NNBE. The remaining 4 were Cincy (2x), Louisville, and an unranked Yukon. When the BCS started, those 3 programs were either C-USA or I-AA.

 

[OrangePA]

According to arby and his source it is going to increase by 3-4 times which I just can't see.
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My question is this.

Right now only the BCS schools participate in revenue sharing, right? Only the six conferences.

When the new system is in place will all major football conferences - including the MAC, the BE, the MWC et al - receive the bowl money? Since they were all at the table during the establishment of the new system, and since the NCAA is out, I would think that they would share in the bounty.

That, in the end, is the most important factor in all of this, right.

 

[Moontan]

My question is this.

Right now only the BCS schools participate in revenue sharing, right? Only the six conferences.

That's incorrect. The 5 non-BCS conferences do get a (smaller) piece of the pie. When TCU was in the BCS the share that went to those 5 conferences was about $24M (to be split by those 5 conferences), while 3 of the AQ conferences (with only 1 representative) received about $21M. Without a BCS representative, I gather that the total share for those 5 would be a bit less.

When the new system is in place will all major football conferences - including the MAC, the BE, the MWC et al - receive the bowl money?

All conferences will continue to receive money from the 6 + 1 bowls of relevance. The split has not yet been decided upon. I've read that the Big Five will likely hold on to 55-70% of the loot, with the remainder to be split by the Little Six (including the NNBE).

 

[Toga]

That's incorrect. The 5 non-BCS conferences do get a (smaller) piece of the pie. When TCU was in the BCS the share that went to those 5 conferences was about $24M (to be split by those 5 conferences), while 3 of the AQ conferences (with only 1 representative) received about $21M. Without a BCS representative, I gather that the total share for those 5 would be a bit less.


All conferences will continue to receive money from the 6 + 1 bowls of relevance. The split has not yet been decided upon. I've read that the Big Five will likely hold on to 55-70% of the loot, with the remainder to be split by the Little Six (including the NNBE).

Bowls of Relevance (BOR) - trademark

 

[arbitragegls]

Again, the new system is really a move back to the pre-BCS days when New Years was dominated by bowl-conference tie-ins.

If you want to characterize those as "AQs" that's fine, but that is different than what exists under the present system.

As I recall all 11 or 12 major football conferences participated in the development of the new system. Does that mean that all will get a share of the bowl system revenue stream?

Since the NCAA will no longer receive revenue, my suspicion is that all football schools will participate in the sharing of revenue - to lesser and greater degrees.

Does anybody know if that is true?

Good question: according to my source you are correct...all conferences are going to receive $$$...and the split appears to be headed to 55%-65% top 5 conferences and 35%-45% to everyone else...big disperity as to what those conferences get as a % but since the pie of $$$ are soaring, it is thought everyone to get much more than previously

 

[omniorange]

Good question: according to my source you are correct...all conferences are going to receive $$$...and the split appears to be headed to 55%-65% top 5 conferences and 35%-45% to everyone else...big disperity as to what those conferences get as a % but since the pie of $$$ are soaring, it is thought everyone to get much more than previously

Estimates are that the top 5 conferences will keep about 80% or more of the overall take. The 6 current BCS conferences get about 90% of the current total of all bowls.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Toga]

My back of the envelope, seat of the pants estimate is that the whole magilla will represent somewhere between $3.8M to $4.6M in incremental revenue to SU's coffers each year. Do not question my math.