ACC: New BCS, Orange Bowl, and what we should expect...

[rrlbees]

I think some of the confusion in the total monies is that some posters are using the approximate BCS payouts from last year, which totalled close to $160 million vs the payout for all bowls which was projected to be around $280 million.

To get an idea of what the Playoff Event Bowls might potentially be versus the old standard, then one should take that projection which is $500 million and compare it with the payouts from last year's BCS bowls plus the next two highest bowls the Citrus and the Peach would bring that total up to $176 million.

It remains to be seen then how many of the ancillary bowls remain in the picture, but their overall worth was just over $100 million in the old system and I don't see that changing much in the new.

Cheers,
Neil

Which is why I question the 3-4x projected increase to bowl participants for the major bowls.

For example, let's say the 2 semi final games pit bama vs michigan and lsu vs. usc. Let's say FSU wins the ACC and goes to the OB who is not one of the semifinal bowls. FSU can play nd, OSU, Oregon etc, it doesn't matter. I dont see how FSU or the ACC is going to get 3-4x the payout for the OB than last year which I think was $18m. I dont see why viewership would see a big increase either.

The change is 2 additional teams have a shot at the NC and more $$$ for themselves and their conference. Everything else appears the same.

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[rrlbees]

I think it's a bit different isn't it?

There are no more auto BCS births right?

Doesn't that means more tems will have access to the top bowls?

Instead of the BCS computer selecting 2 teams a committee selects 4. Everyone still has a chance and they did before.

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[OrangePA]

Which is why I question the 3-4x projected increase to bowl participants for the major bowls.

For example, let's say the 2 semi final games pit bama vs michigan and lsu vs. usc. Let's say FSU wins the ACC and goes to the OB who is not one of the semifinal bowls. FSU can play nd, OSU, Oregon etc, it doesn't matter. I dont see how FSU or the ACC is going to get 3-4x the payout for the OB than last year which I think was $18m. I dont see why viewership would see a big increase either.

The change is 2 additional teams have a shot at the NC and more $$$ for themselves and their conference. Everything else appears the same.

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No AQ.

Big difference, right?

 

[rrlbees]

Are the semi's separate from the other bowls? Do the major bowl winners feed into the 2 semi's?

Not to my understanding unless I am missing the boat on this whole thing. If they did, then there would be a huge change and the NC playoff would be more than 4 teams in essence.

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[arbitragegls]

Good questions...yours too Bees. Here are some answers that I believe based on continued conversation is how ACC is approaching:
1. Bees, difference is that ACC owns rights to OB...as one of 6 Access bowls the $$$ are expected to be far greater
2. The 6 Access bowls will all provide increased dollars to participants...and, importantly, could house more than 1 ACC team
3. ACC champion if in top 4 and Orange Bowl is a semi bowl, that is where ACC team will go
--second ACC team will have to rank high enough to get in another access bowl
--If Orange Bowl is not a semi bowl in a year that ACC gets into semis, than a second ACC team goes to the Orange Bowl...and if two ACC teams in top 4 than the third ACC team goes Orange Bowl
4. ACC owns rights to Orange Bowl even if it is not a semi team...if Orange Bowl is a semi bowl, ACC would have to come up with the revenue split with other teams in the Orange Bowl; but remember, the ACC team will go to one of the other 6 Bowls.
5. NCAA not sharing in revenue from these ACCess bowls...conferences and schools are
6. Media consultants believe $500-$600 million will be shared by all schools and conferences...note the Big 5 conferences are looking at least at 55%-65% of payout at this time
---no media outlet owns the 6 ACCESS bowls...it will be a bidding process and that is why expectations are so high...

Final outcome to be determined...but we all got to love where we are at this point...what a WIN for 'Cuse and the ACC.

 

[rrlbees]

No AQ.

Big difference, right?

What was the AQ last year? Not following.

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[orangenirvana]

No AQ.

Big difference, right?

Actually, there are now five AQ's, down from six.

 

[All4SU]

Seems to me like one more step to creating separation of 63 teams and 5 conferences from everyone else (most notably the BE). The money will start flowing - the facilities will be built and it should end up (hopefully) with SU, BC and PSU being the only schools in the Northeast at the Big Boy table. Facilities and Big Boy status should help recruiting = more wins.

What happened to Pitt?

 

[KaiserUEO]

The big positive is to SU. We should all be ecstatic. To the system itself, it is now 4 teams for a chance at a NC vs. 2 teams. That bring bring some increase to $$$ for those 4 participants ans their conferences. Other than that, the rest is status quo. Except for those 2 semi final games and the teams participating, I don't see the hoopla because there is none. The OB will still be the OB with an ACC team and a good opponent with the same viewership because it will mean the same as it did before. People are trying to tie the 2 semi games to the other bowls in their excitement when they are 2 different things.

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I think what you are missing is the house being built.

The house where there's 5 confs, their bowls, And their final4.

The bowls now are like they were pre-bcs, where they had say in the teams playing.

The Orange never has too worry about being stuck with a bigeast team now.

I think we are all happy we are in the house and our bowl is an easy, short, cheap...flight.

 

[arbitragegls]

more breaking news....
It appears that Notre Dame will be teamed with the ACC in the Orange Bowl as long as it has a specified number of wins...the # of wins has not been determined as yet...this is somewhat different than being ranked in the top 12-15.
Have to wonder if this is an enticement to Notre Dame not to go to the Big 12 with its Olympic sports...more to follow in next couple of days

 

[sufan]

Unknowns at this point:

1) The actual Orange bowl TV payout to the ACC won't be known for some time.

2) The Orange Bowl opponent for the ACC is not yet determined.

3) The revenue divisions for the ACC, along with the other major conferences, for the 4 team playoff has yet to be determined.

4) The guidelines for the Selection committee in choosing the top 4 teams have yet to be decided on.

5) The Selection committee may have a role in determining criteria for the inclusion of teams not in the final 4 and not in the contract bowls.


News:

1) The ACC is one of 5 conferences with a guaranteed high profile New Year's day bowl, where the ACC now "owns" the TV rights for the Orange bowl for the next 12 years.

(Unknown: will sole ownership of the Orange bowl TV rights be worth more to the ACC than split rights between the SEC and Big 10 for the Champs bowl, which is a 5 year deal at this point.)

2) If an ACC team is in the final 4, the 2d place ACC team is guaranteed to be in the Orange bowl when the Orange bowl is not a site for the final 4.

3) Instead of only 2 teams in the BCS playoff, there are now 4 teams that will participate in the final 4, where conference champions will be given special recognition.

4) see unknowns above.


Not so long ago, the spin was the ACC was bypassed and there were 4 "power conferences".

At the current time, it appears there are 5 power conferences and teams like FSU, Miami, VT and others such as SU have every opportunity to qualify for a final 4 playoff bowl, or a high profile New Year's day bowl game.

Stay tuned.

Joe Schad‏@schadjoe
The ACC should be able to keep at least 50 pct of revenue after it shops the Orange Bowl TV rights

 

[sufan]

Joe Schad‏@schadjoe
The ACC should be able to keep at least 50 pct of revenue after it shops the Orange Bowl TV rights

"Bidding now open on playoff after ACC/Orange announcement" by Dennis Dodd


"In tying up with the Orange, the ACC revealed it controls the broadcast rights in the new agreement and will take that partnership to market. That's a potential game changer in the way business was done compared to the BCS era."


"The ACC's move then signals a possible feeding frenzy among rightsholders. In other words, it isn't necessarily ESPN's world anymore. The Rose (re-upped with ESPN), Champions and Orange bowls all could end up on different networks. The so-called “host” bowls (Sugar, Fiesta, Atlanta) and championship game will be bundled as one entity."

"While I wrote Tuesday that the playoff could be worth $6 billionafter the lifetime of the deal, that was assuming there was one rightsholder. Tuesday's announcement could be a game changer."



“ESPN doesn't like it when I say it but they're a mature network,” Pilson said. “There isn't much upside. They can't get any more money per subscriber. They don't need any more distribution. They're in 100 percent of the homes. But a channel like NBC Sports Network is in only 75 percent of American homes. If you can get programming that helps drive your distribution up by 20 million homes … this property will let you do that.”

ESPN remains the gold standard. No other network can promise the Football Four (or whatever it is going to be called), the broad platform coverage and 24/7/365 promotion of the World Wide Leader. Using that argument, though, ESPN would have won the NCAA Tournament away from CBS and Turner. It didn't."

 

[OrangeXtreme]

more breaking news....
It appears that Notre Dame will be teamed with the ACC in the Orange Bowl as long as it has a specified number of wins...the # of wins has not been determined as yet...this is somewhat different than being ranked in the top 12-15.
Have to wonder if this is an enticement to Notre Dame not to go to the Big 12 with its Olympic sports...more to follow in next couple of days

A 10 win ND team would be in the Top 12-15 anyways.

A 9 win ND team is iffy ... Top 20 for sure.

Of course, the ACC Champ could be 10-3 for all we know.

And an 8 win ND team will still sell out its' allotment of bowl tickets and generate TV ratings.

 

[OrangePA]

Actually, there are now five AQ's, down from six.

I dont think so.

 

[orangenirvana]

I dont think so.

Read the OP and count the number of conferences I have bolded and underlined.

3. There are three (3) contract bowls...which is 1/2 of the six bowls that lead up to the NC, there will be six (6) total bowls of significance which hosts 12 teams. The 3 contract bowls: Rose (B1g/Pac12), Champions (SEC/Big 12), and the Orange (ACC and other top 15 teams/Notre Dame or better) are the only contract bowls. THIS MEANS THAT TEAMS CONTRACTED WILL ALWAYS PLAY IN THESE BOWLS UNLESS THE BOWL IS A semi final bowl.

 

[rrlbees]

Read the OP and count the number of conferences I have bolded and underlined.

3. There are three (3) contract bowls...which is 1/2 of the six bowls that lead up to the NC, there will be six (6) total bowls of significance which hosts 12 teams. The 3 contract bowls: Rose (B1g/Pac12), Champions (SEC/Big 12), and the Orange (ACC and other top 15 teams/Notre Dame or better) are the only contract bowls. THIS MEANS THAT TEAMS CONTRACTED WILL ALWAYS PLAY IN THESE BOWLS UNLESS THE BOWL IS A semi final bowl.

Just to clarify your wording, there are only 3 bowls that lead up to the NC. But 2 of them will be on a rotating basis.

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[OrangeXtreme]

Just to clarify your wording, there are only 3 bowls that lead up to the NC. But 2 of them will be on a rotating basis.

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The 2 semi finals will rotate between the 6 "major" bowls: Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar, and probably the Cotton and the Peach.

The National Championship is a seperate affair that any city with a football stadium can bid on. Likely candidates include Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, New Orleans, Dallas, Houston, Indianapolis, St Louis, Phoenix, and San Diego. You know, the usual Super Bowl cities.

 

[BlueCurtain]

He's referring to the six bowls that will rotate in hosting the semi-final games. When these bowls don't host a semi-final they will host another top matchup.

Hopefully this is just a precursor to an 8-team playoff, which would require 6 bowl sites.

 

[rrlbees]

The 2 semi finals will rotate between the 6 "major" bowls: Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar, and probably the Cotton and the Peach.

The National Championship is a seperate affair that any city with a football stadium can bid on. Likely candidates include Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, New Orleans, Dallas, Houston, Indianapolis, St Louis, Phoenix, and San Diego. You know, the usual Super Bowl cities.

Correct.

 

[rrlbees]

Hopefully this is just a precursor to an 8-team playoff, which would require 6 bowl sites.

Personally, I think that's where it leads to.

 

[RandygoCuse]

The 2 semi finals will rotate between the 6 "major" bowls: Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar, and probably the Cotton and the Peach.

The National Championship is a seperate affair that any city with a football stadium can bid on. Likely candidates include Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, New Orleans, Dallas, Houston, Indianapolis, St Louis, Phoenix, and San Diego. You know, the usual Super Bowl cities.

OK, so is theChampions Bowl the National Championship then?

Also, let's say the ACC team is ranked #1 in the country and the Orange Bowl is a semifinal. Does the #4 ranked team automatically get paired with us? Or does the pairing in the semifinal games take conference bowl affiliations into account?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

OK, so is theChampions Bowl the National Championship then?

Also, let's say the ACC team is ranked #1 in the country and the Orange Bowl is a semifinal. Does the #4 ranked team automatically get paired with us? Or does the pairing in the semifinal games take conference bowl affiliations into account?

The "Champions Bowl" is a game between the SEC #2 team and the Big12 #2 team. It has NOTHING to do with determining a national champion.

Pairings and seeding procedures for the two semi-final games have yet to be determined.

 

[KaiserUEO]

OK, so is theChampions Bowl the National Championship then?

Also, let's say the ACC team is ranked #1 in the country and the Orange Bowl is a semifinal. Does the #4 ranked team automatically get paired with us? Or does the pairing in the semifinal games take conference bowl affiliations into account?

I would say that a higher ranked team will play any semi at 'their' bowl game.

The common sense rule.

 

[RandygoCuse]

I would say that a higher ranked team will play any semi at 'their' bowl game.

The common sense rule.

I agree with you, but common sense is not always the driving force when it comes to the NCAA...So I guess it is possible that an ACC team could play in the semi finals and not be placed in the Orange Bowl even if the Orangebowl is hosting a semi final that year.

 

[OrangePA]

Read the OP and count the number of conferences I have bolded and underlined.

3. There are three (3) contract bowls...which is 1/2 of the six bowls that lead up to the NC, there will be six (6) total bowls of significance which hosts 12 teams. The 3 contract bowls: Rose (B1g/Pac12), Champions (SEC/Big 12), and the Orange (ACC and other top 15 teams/Notre Dame or better) are the only contract bowls. THIS MEANS THAT TEAMS CONTRACTED WILL ALWAYS PLAY IN THESE BOWLS UNLESS THE BOWL IS A semi final bowl.

Right.

But that's no different than what existed before the BCS.

The Sugar had the SEC champ, the Orange had the Big 8 champ and the Rose had the Pac 8 and Big Ten champs.

That changed for the most part with the BCS.

But there are no BCS AQs for the NC.