ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Chris02M]

 

[Orangefan1]

I feel like people just make up their own conferences on here based on what they like. Hope to see SMU added also at some point

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[tep624]

I wonder if this will be what truly kills the ACC. Picking up two deadweight pacific teams in a desperate attempt to remain relevant can only spell disaster. I assume ESPN wants nothing to do with a renegotiation that would pay MORE to the ACC in 2035-2036, the CFP is already finding it difficult to find people to pay for first round games signaling an end of the infinite money glitch, and I don’t think there is a single school happy about this potential arrangement outside of the deadweight getting saved.

The landscape will begin to fragment again, and I feel the Big 12 will be the first to fall simply because their deal is up in 31 vs. ACCs 36

What will kill the ACC is doing nothing. Nothing is not an option.

 

[Orangefizz]

You're probably right sigh.

If it's truly a battle for eyeballs and markets it would make sense for the Big 10 or SEC to add Syracuse and Boston College. The Big 10 would have 3/4 of the country locked up and the entire Northeast. The SEC would be firmly regulated to the Southern quadrant.

I think an interesting play would be for the SEC to go right up the East coast. While they don't want to add 2 small NE private schools, wouldn't it be a smart media move for them to do so? Go right up the East coast and add UVA, UNC, Pitt, Syracuse AND BC ? They'd be planting a pretty firm flag in middle of Big10 country and I have to assume TV would eat it up.

On a random Saturday which primetime games to you more often watch? I know for me I watch the SEC games. I'd love to know the ratings for the Big10 vs SEC in the Northeast corridor.

As ridiculous as it might sound I think the SEC moving into the Northeast market would be smart.

Honestly, I think the opposite will happen, and the Big Ten will move down the eastern seaboard by adding Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, and Miami.

It’s also entirely possible if the next media right contract isn’t escalated, some of the bottom feeder schools will get dropped to maintain the average revenue for the more profitable schools. In this scenario, Big Ten schools like Purdue, Northwestern and Rutgers could be in danger. In the SEC, schools like Vanderbilt and Mississippi State could also become available.

 

[Cuse181]

What will kill the ACC is doing nothing. Nothing is not an option.

I think this speeds up the timeline significantly

 

[tep624]

I think this speeds up the timeline significantly

You either do nothing now and die in 2036 or you do something now and maybe not die in 2036. That’s where we’re at.

 

[CousCuse]

No one reads anything.

If you are referring to teams they didn't want the travel, that was still during the phase when the PAC could remain together as a conference. That notion persisted until the media deal number was released and it was at that point the conference came unglued. Colorado immediatly bolted and Yormark put the press on OU and UW. The B1G shut that down as they were always going to get them and wouldn't let the Big 12 steal them. That left 5 desirable schools. Arizona was already all but in the Big 12 That's the point that the ACC could have made a play for ASU amd Utah to come along with Calford. I mean Utah is a legitimate power program and the 2 time defending Pac 12 champion. That would have been adding strength to the conference.

 

[Scooch]

If the ACC had been bold and aggressive when USC and UCLA went to the Big Ten, they could have added Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Utah, Arizona St for a Western division.

To try and re-create that with Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego State, Cal Stanford SMU illustrates a huge wasted opportunity.

No, the ACC couldn’t have done that because Oregon and Washington DIDNT WANT TO JOIN THE ACC.

Read that sentence again. Now again. One more time. Then again.

Maybe it’ll sink in eventually.

 

[Jake]

Welp….that was disappointing

 

[Cusefan0307]

A bunch of you are repeating the same drivel for over 200 pages and are consistently wrong. Quite the content driver though.

 

[Scooch]

No one reads anything.

Guys, the ACC should have added USC, UCLA, the Bahamas and Steph Curry. They’re so dumb because they didn’t.

 

[Scooch]

A bunch of you are repeating the same drivel for over 200 pages and are consistently wrong. Quite the content driver though.

But but but the San Diego market is GROWING!

 

[hoopsupstate]

I wonder if this will be what truly kills the ACC. Picking up two deadweight pacific teams in a desperate attempt to remain relevant can only spell disaster. I assume ESPN wants nothing to do with a renegotiation that would pay MORE to the ACC in 2035-2036, the CFP is already finding it difficult to find people to pay for first round games signaling an end of the infinite money glitch, and I don’t think there is a single school happy about this potential arrangement outside of the deadweight getting saved.

The landscape will begin to fragment again, and I feel the Big 12 will be the first to fall simply because their deal is up in 31 vs. ACCs 36

Unless Apple TV buys out ESPN.

 

[Orangezoo]

I wonder if this will be what truly kills the ACC. Picking up two deadweight pacific teams in a desperate attempt to remain relevant can only spell disaster. I assume ESPN wants nothing to do with a renegotiation that would pay MORE to the ACC in 2035-2036, the CFP is already finding it difficult to find people to pay for first round games signaling an end of the infinite money glitch, and I don’t think there is a single school happy about this potential arrangement outside of the deadweight getting saved.

The landscape will begin to fragment again, and I feel the Big 12 will be the first to fall simply because their deal is up in 31 vs. ACCs 36

Are they really deadweight if they aren't impacting the payouts to the rest of the league? Seems from what has been shared this is a positive in the near term up to the point of the B12 GOR ending to where more shuffling can be done and maybe we have a new picture of what's feasible media deal wise.

 

[Scooch]

Hahaha. Everyone read that. “Regularly scheduled”, “Not unusual”.

The bizarre forensics people try to do for conference stuff is baffling.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Are they really deadweight if they aren't impacting the payouts to the rest of the league? Seems from what has been shared this is a positive in the near term up to the point of the B12 GOR ending to where more shuffling can be done and maybe we have a new picture of what's feasible media deal wise.

Yes, if they are willing to pay the same money without those teams then i would consider it dead weight

 

[PhatOrange]

A lot of people are still analyzing this based on past conditions. Nobody is adding Boston College for the Boston TV market. Cable is dying, and DTC/streaming is the future.

That's good news for Syracuse, since we're basically a bubble team that punches above its market size in viewership.

what does cable dying have to do with anything? All those people still live there and they're watching sports.

 

[sutomcat]

Welp….that was disappointing

It seems like the ACC has been dangling in the wind for a decade or more. Was hoping to finally see something happen. I guess we all should have known better.

Was the cancellation just a routine thing? Did UNC change her mind again, that crazy dingbat?

I have no idea what the hell is going on.

 

[Scooch]

Honestly, I think the opposite will happen, and the Big Ten will move down the eastern seaboard by adding Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, and Miami.

It’s also entirely possible if the next media right contract isn’t escalated, some of the bottom feeder schools will get dropped to maintain the average revenue for the more profitable schools. In this scenario, Big Ten schools like Purdue, Northwestern and Rutgers could be in danger. In the SEC, schools like Vanderbilt and Mississippi State could also become available.

How much money will those “bottom feeder schools” be awarded in their breach of contract lawsuits against the conferences? And will it be just one billion or multiple billions?

I’ll hang up and listen.

 

[pokercuse08]

You either do nothing now and die in 2036 or you do something now and maybe not die in 2036. That’s where we’re at.

There will probably be other opportunities in the coming years to raid the Big 12, but I don't see the ACC adding seven or eight teams at once. What I think would make a lot of sense is grabbing Stanford, Cal, and SMU now and then adding additional Texas and Southwestern schools from the Big 12 in a few years if the ACC is better positioned than the Big 12 in the next round - maybe some combination of ASU, Arizona, Utah, TCU, Baylor.

Part of the question is whether or not Stanford and Cal are brands worth saving, because if you let them die on the vine now it really limits your options going forward in terms of western additions.

 

[Scooch]

I can’t believe people think Cal and Stanford would do *anything* of significance for the ACC.

 

[oldpinepoint]

How much money will those “bottom feeder schools” be awarded in their breach of contract lawsuits against the conferences? And will it be just one billion or multiple billions?

I’ll hang up and listen.

Actually no breach of contract if the contract runs out and they are not included in the next one. Pretty simple

 

[pokercuse08]

I can’t believe people think Cal and Stanford would do *anything* of significance for the ACC.

Doesn't it really come down to whether you think the ACC can survive and maintain access to the highest level of competition in its current form less FSU, Clemson, UNC and UVA or not? If not, then it needs to expand, and if it needs to expand what options does it have?

 

[tep624]

I can’t believe people think Cal and Stanford would do *anything* of significance for the ACC.

I can’t believe people feel doing nothing now is actually an option.