ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Jake]

Funniest line I read today “wait until Stanford finds out they have to write all of UNC’s papers!”

 

[Orangezoo]

From the article:

ACC reactive as always. They wanted the Arizona schools and Utah as well but they were late to the game. This time it might work in their favor because they got "stuck" with SMU which is actually going to help them a lot in the next round by forcing them into Texas. I'm hoping the next round is to add Houston, Utah, Arizona/Arizona State, and possibly SDSU.

The major population centers driving the economy nationwide are on the East and West Coast and in Texas. If you get more specific, you'd highlight NYC, the Bay Area, SoCal, and Houston/Dallas/Austin. The ACC has a chance to be the only conference representing all of them, and that's not nothing and does lead to some potential to help schools who previously haven't had power conference access build themselves up.

They also have the chance to do so while splitting into divisions that are geographically reasonable, making them look pretty sane. Of course, if it works, they'll probably just get poached an extra time or two.

So because of the longer GOR and not having a geographical advantage the ACC was reactive?

A few questions:

1- How do you know if those schools had any real interest/desire with joining the ACC? Could it not have been where it was always the B12 they preferred?

2- Why would those schools change UNC/FSU/Clemsons mind long term?

3- If the GOR was ending sooner the ACC would be much worse off. If those programs like the "lease" being shorter then it's still only a rental where they seek to move anyways is it not?

The ACC was late to the game in missing the opportunity of adding the more regional options the B12 gathered. That's where you can argue there was definitely a miss. But these other Pac 12 schools - I don't see it.

 

[Sherman20]

I absolutely see the court part happening. Adding schools 3,000 miles away provided them the ammunition. UNC’s statement last night will be their opening argument.

Nonsense. The GOR is airtight. FSU and UNC are going nowhere unless they give up their home TV rights for the next decade and pay massive exit fees. They got a half mil lying around.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Today’s college football is a bowl of stupid so a move like this that is stupid in a vacuum is not stupid within that bowl of stupid

Without question both the most succinct and most brilliant explanation of both the state of collegiate athletics and why the ACC did what it did today...

Simply awesome.

 

[rocklloyd]

I'm looking forward to people in California wondering what the hell is bojangles and food lion

Wait until they get a load of the officiating

Or Carolina Ford dealers

 

[SU68]

Boy they better have infamous "silent verbal" although how hilarious would it be is FSU somehow got out next year and wasn't offered a an SEC or Big 10 invite...now that's my dream scenario

They have large fund-raising fan clubs like we could only have in our dreams.

 

[Willy75]

You dont live over 10 years with anything terminal. The ACC is going to survive and actually be in a very strong third position when the dust settles. Strap it on NYC boy its Wagons Ho!

Not a week should go by over those 10 years that the ACC doesn't stress to Baylor and TCU that they'd be better off joining.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Not a week should go by over those 10 years that the ACC doesn't stress to Baylor and TCU that they'd be better off joining.

I think we'll see Baylor in the ACC in the future.

 

[Chris02M]

I don't really buy that. Placating the schools currently carrying the conference in FB isn't a bad thing either this is all about football after all. Stanford and Cal don't sign agreements with the Mountain West that bind them there for life and don't let them jump once an invite comes up you could have added them at any point same with SMU.

We aren't really placating any one team is only a portion of the extra money is going to the incentive pool while the rest is being shared equally

 

[Chris02M]

From the article:

ACC reactive as always. They wanted the Arizona schools and Utah as well but they were late to the game. This time it might work in their favor because they got "stuck" with SMU which is actually going to help them a lot in the next round by forcing them into Texas. I'm hoping the next round is to add Houston, Utah, Arizona/Arizona State, and possibly SDSU.

The major population centers driving the economy nationwide are on the East and West Coast and in Texas. If you get more specific, you'd highlight NYC, the Bay Area, SoCal, and Houston/Dallas/Austin. The ACC has a chance to be the only conference representing all of them, and that's not nothing and does lead to some potential to help schools who previously haven't had power conference access build themselves up.

They also have the chance to do so while splitting into divisions that are geographically reasonable, making them look pretty sane. Of course, if it works, they'll probably just get poached an extra time or two.

replace Houston with TCU or Baylor

 

[Cusefan69]

I don't really buy that. Placating the schools currently carrying the conference in FB isn't a bad thing either this is all about football after all. Stanford and Cal don't sign agreements with the Mountain West that bind them there for life and don't let them jump once an invite comes up you could have added them at any point same with SMU.

You lost me at "Placating the schools currently carrying the conference isn't a bad thing". You really can't be that serious or oblivious. Those teams you want to kiss @$$ with are sabotaging the conference, are 100 percent leaving no matter anything we do if they get an invite and only one team of the group of three has done anything in the last 10 years at national champion level. FSU and UNC are paper tigers at best. I mean really man, I can't believe you actually believe what you said.

 

[Tango32]

You lost me at "Placating the schools currently carrying the conference isn't a bad thing". You really can't be that serious or oblivious. Those teams you want to kiss @$$ with are sabotaging the conference, are 100 percent leaving no matter anything we do if they get an invite and only one team of the group of three has done anything in the last 10 years at national champion level. FSU and UNC are paper tigers at best. I mean really man, I can't believe you actually believe what you said.

If we just let them have the Sudetenland and Rhineland they'll stop...

 

[Bulldog04]

I would absolutely love a road football game to SMU and or Stanford. I dunno which campus is better but both are frickin incredible.
But highland park is one of the best places and that stadium is perfect for a game. I am pumped about this!!

 

[rrlbees]

So because of the longer GOR and not having a geographical advantage the ACC was reactive?

A few questions:

1- How do you know if those schools had any real interest/desire with joining the ACC? Could it not have been where it was always the B12 they preferred?

2- Why would those schools change UNC/FSU/Clemsons mind long term?

3- If the GOR was ending sooner the ACC would be much worse off. If those programs like the "lease" being shorter then it's still only a rental where they seek to move anyways is it not?

The ACC was late to the game in missing the opportunity of adding the more regional options the B12 gathered. That's where you can argue there was definitely a miss. But these other Pac 12 schools - I don't see it.

Not one pac12 team was a miss. They weren’t coming and as I’m sure you remember while others have amnesia, the ASU AD laughed about coming to the ACC and called out SU as his example.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

As you may know, the Mexican food in Tucson is unbelievable.

Oh my lord yes. All of the food is. I've even had some amazing Italian food there which makes no sense.

We are heading backl at the end of Sept for parents weekend and to watch Arizona v Washington. And eating a lot.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

You lost me at "Placating the schools currently carrying the conference isn't a bad thing". You really can't be that serious or oblivious. Those teams you want to kiss @$$ with are sabotaging the conference, are 100 percent leaving no matter anything we do if they get an invite and only one team of the group of three has done anything in the last 10 years at national champion level. FSU and UNC are paper tigers at best. I mean really man, I can't believe you actually believe what you said.

The ranked schools generating buzz for the conference and keeping us #3 on the pecking order which we absolutely were with OU and Texas leaving the Big 12? Who's actually left the ACC again? The Big 12 can lose those schools but is better than the ACC because they added BYU?

If those 3 leave find the next best options you can likely raid the Big 12. This is just desperate and now makes us complicit in the geographic nonsense.

How did taking Notre Dame in during covid as a full member for a year go for the ACC again? How does this possibly help?

 

[Toga]

Oh my lord yes. All of the food is. I've even had some amazing Italian food there which makes no sense.

We are heading backl at the end of Sept for parents weekend and to watch Arizona v Washington. And eating a lot.

Bear down

 

[kcsu]

The ranked schools generating buzz for the conference and keeping us #3 on the pecking order which we absolutely were with OU and Texas leaving the Big 12? Who's actually left the ACC again? The Big 12 can lose those schools but is better than the ACC because they added BYU?

If those 3 leave find the next best options you can likely raid the Big 12. This is just desperate and now makes us complicit in the geographic nonsense.

How did taking Notre Dame in during covid as a full member for a year go for the ACC again? How does this possibly help?

Get some sleep Frankie its been a big day.

 

[DoctorBombay]

If we just let them have the Sudetenland and Rhineland they'll stop...

Kudos for the subtle, very tasteful Hitler reference. Well played.

 

[Sherman20]

Not one pac12 team was a miss. They weren’t coming and as I’m sure you remember while others have amnesia, the ASU AD laughed about coming to the ACC and called out SU as his example.

Makes no sense. The ASU Prez would rather play Kansas St and Iowa State and not real football powers like FSU, Miami and Clemson? Sorry, the Big 12 is a big step down from the ACC. Also, Maybe he’s not aware that WVU is like 90 miles from Pittsburgh. And Central Florida and Cincy are also eastern time zone teams.

 

[dasher]

Raiders were the only NFL franchise that tarped off part of their stadium. Virtually every NFL team sells out every game and has a long ST waiting list.

A's have awful attendance.

Stanford can't even sell out the ND and USC games.

Some areas, I dare say most, can't afford two teams in the same sport. The Boston Braves had to leave Boston. The Philly A's had to leave Phil. The St Louis Browns had to leave St Louis. The Bay area can't afford two teams in the same sport playing there. Neither could Boston, Philly and St louis. Hell, the Dodgers and Giants left NY.

 

[Tango32]

Kudos for the subtle, very tasteful Hitler reference. Well played.

Thanks I was recently inspired by the very classy UCF tweet invoking the Kent State massacre after they just beat the brakes off 'em. I'm a history buff

 

[pokercuse08]

So because of the longer GOR and not having a geographical advantage the ACC was reactive?

The reason the Big 12 had "time on its side" was that they'd been working on adding those schools for months. They were proactive.

1- How do you know if those schools had any real interest/desire with joining the ACC? Could it not have been where it was always the B12 they preferred?

The ACC is a better conference, and they could have maintained more of their current conference mates coming in as a block. Maybe they would have preferred the Big 12, but I doubt it, and ultimately the reason we don't know is that the ACC was reactive and the Big 12 was proactive.

2- Why would those schools change UNC/FSU/Clemsons mind long term?

It's unlikely that FSU/Clemson/UNC change their minds, but this opens the door to a very small (less than 5%) chance. Increasing the revenue enough to close the gap a bit, raiding the Big 12 in ~5 years and having a very favorable national footprint, and better handling the shift to streaming may open the door. But also, the ACC is now better positioned to remain #3 after losing them.

3- If the GOR was ending sooner the ACC would be much worse off. If those programs like the "lease" being shorter then it's still only a rental where they seek to move anyways is it not?

I agree the GOR not ending sooner is a good thing.

replace Houston with TCU or Baylor

I'd be open to it, but I think U of H has a ton of potential and I like being in both Houston and Dallas as a conference. Would also be very open to Houston and TCU both, and planting three ACC flags in Texas.

 

[CousCuse]

Makes no sense. The ASU Prez would rather play Kansas St and Iowa State and not real football powers like FSU, Miami and Clemson? Sorry, the Big 12 is a big step down from the ACC. Also, Maybe he’s not aware that WVU is like 90 miles from Pittsburgh. And Central Florida and Cincy are also eastern time zone teams.

The ASU statement is taken out of context of the time it was made. It was made right after the USC/UCLA departure when the remaining schools were trying to put a unifird front that the conference would remain viable. It's really pretty dumb to think ASU wouldn't have wanted to be in the ACC with CalFord after it was apparent that the Pac12 had gone kaput.

 

[Orangezoo]

Not one pac12 team was a miss. They weren’t coming and as I’m sure you remember while others have amnesia, the ASU AD laughed about coming to the ACC and called out SU as his example.

I was referring to Cincy, WV... not Pac 12 being a miss. Just to clarify but I think you gathered that already.