ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[sufandu]

Can we just separate football from NCAA governance, give them different conferences from the rest of the sports and get all of this over with? I LOVE college sports but I'm just over all of this.

We all know what the end game is but instead of just going there we have a bunch of stupid moves that makes zero sense for everything besides football.

Yeah, separate football, make it's own thing, and let's make sensible conferences for everything else. Then maybe we can lose the scholarships for football too which would allow schools to bring back other men's sports like wrestling without breaking title IX rules.

 

[sufandu]

Now we wait to see if Disney spins off ESPN.

I'm hoping so. Then maybe they can get back to being ESPN.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Which could potentially result in Army and Navy meeting twice in one year - their last game and the AAC Championship game.

 

[Orangello]

Now amend the bylaws to require a simple majority or just 12 votes and isolate the Gang of 3.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

It’s funny how people are ridiculing the ACC for doing this when the SEC and BigTen have been raising and destroying conferences for years

Nobody complained when the SEC took South Carolina/Arkansas, and Texas A&M/Missouri, and Texas/Oklahoma.

Nobody complained when the B1G took PSU/Nebraska, and Maryland/Rutgers, and USC/UCLA/Washington/Oregon.

But heaven forbid the ACC or the Big12 make some moves.

 

[rocklloyd]

Another “bless their hearts”

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Nobody complained when the SEC took South Carolina/Arkansas, and Texas A&M/Missouri, and Texas/Oklahoma.

Nobody complained when the B1G took PSU/Nebraska, and Maryland/Rutgers, and USC/UCLA/Washington/Oregon.

But heaven forbid the ACC or the Big12 make some moves.

They upgraded their conferences.

We downgraded/diluted ours if Stanford or Cal were desirable they would be in the Big Ten or Big 12.

We outdid the Big Ten for ridiculous geographic footprint. They actually got some good West coast markets WA, Oregon, and LA. We got the market that 2 pro franchises have left in the last few years.

The academic end of the conference took sympathy on 2 West coast Ivys for no good reason. Stanford and Cal wouldn't piss on any ACC member apart from maybe Duke if they were on fire.

 

[storange]

They upgraded their conferences.

We downgraded/diluted ours if Stanford or Cal were desirable they would be in the Big Ten or Big 12.

We outdid the Big Ten for ridiculous geographic footprint. They actually got some good West coast markets WA, Oregon, and LA. We got the market that 2 pro franchises have left in the last few years.

The academic end of the conference took sympathy on 2 West coast Ivys for no good reason. Stanford and Cal wouldn't piss on any ACC member apart from maybe Duke if they were on fire.

Little bit of spin there, The Bay area is a sprawling , thriving market . The market itself is not why those franchises left.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Oregon State and Washington State actually have fans and Corvallis and Pullman are sick college towns I would have preferred to take them. Neither is a huge downgrade from UW or the Ducks apart from the Uncle Phil money.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Little bit of spin there, The Bay area is a sprawling , thriving market . The market itself is not why those franchises left.

Raiders were the only NFL franchise that tarped off part of their stadium. Virtually every NFL team sells out every game and has a long ST waiting list.

A's have awful attendance.

Stanford can't even sell out the ND and USC games.

 

[NYCCuse826]

Nobody complained when the SEC took South Carolina/Arkansas, and Texas A&M/Missouri, and Texas/Oklahoma.

Nobody complained when the B1G took PSU/Nebraska, and Maryland/Rutgers, and USC/UCLA/Washington/Oregon.

But heaven forbid the ACC or the Big12 make some moves.

Now you're making things up. The Rutgers move especially was widely panned for the overrated NYC market (thinking that college has the reach of the pros) of which Rutgers has no major presence in. The B1G was ridiculed for taking a bad team in to penetrate the NYC metro.

The Pac raid has also been criticized for expanding a footprint that's thousands of miles away from the Midwest, disregarding the welfare of their athletes and how the Pac upended a century of rivalries and tradition to play the likes of Minnesota and Maryland.

 

[721Comstock]

Raiders were the only NFL franchise that tarped off part of their stadium. Virtually every NFL team sells out every game and has a long ST waiting list.

A's have awful attendance.

Stanford can't even sell out the ND and USC games.

Maybe you should step away from the keyboard, go for a walk, spend some time w family or friends?

Just a thought.

 

[Cuse181]

damn ACC, what a deal

 

[storange]

Raiders were the only NFL franchise that tarped off part of their stadium. Virtually every NFL team sells out every game and has a long ST waiting list.

A's have awful attendance.

Stanford can't even sell out the ND and USC games.

49ers, Giants, Sharks, Warriors are also part of the Bay area. Oakland has some problems involving the city government and it’s support .

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Maybe you should step away from the keyboard, go for a walk, spend some time w family or friends?

Just a thought.

I'm not that upset I don't think this changes much. My real beef is that the Big Ten is no longer the bad guy we just let them off the hook for their expansion. Imagine the Pac 12 was a bank. Big Ten got everything in the vault and the hundreds...Big 12 got all the smaller bills...ACC came in and scooped up the coins. We have no moral high ground in this nonsense anymore if we stood pat we would have.

 

[Cuse181]

Ugh, took me like 5 sentences to realize he was talking about AAC and not ACC.

Yup… same

 

[Cuse181]

I'm not that upset I don't think this changes much. My real beef is that the Big Ten is no longer the bad guy we just let them off the hook for their expansion. Imagine the Pac 12 was a bank. Big Ten got everything in the vault and the hundreds...Big 12 got all the smaller bills...ACC came in and scooped up the coins. We have no moral high ground in this nonsense anymore if we stood pat we would have.

Morality is relative and shifts with societal norms. I don’t like this move either but the ACC participating in survival doesn’t make them complicit in the original murder

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'd rather have Stanford Cal, and SMU today to give us a 3 team buffer over ESPN's 15 team Mendoza line, than be forced to take ECU, Tulane, and Memphis in a few years when the defections start.

 

[Chris02M]

I'm not that upset I don't think this changes much. My real beef is that the Big Ten is no longer the bad guy we just let them off the hook for their expansion. Imagine the Pac 12 was a bank. Big Ten got everything in the vault and the hundreds...Big 12 got all the smaller bills...ACC came in and scooped up the coins. We have no moral high ground in this nonsense anymore if we stood pat we would have.

if we stood pat , we were going to lose money

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

if we stood pat , we were going to lose money

I don't really buy that. Placating the schools currently carrying the conference in FB isn't a bad thing either this is all about football after all. Stanford and Cal don't sign agreements with the Mountain West that bind them there for life and don't let them jump once an invite comes up you could have added them at any point same with SMU.

 

[MSOrange]

I'm not that upset I don't think this changes much. My real beef is that the Big Ten is no longer the bad guy we just let them off the hook for their expansion. Imagine the Pac 12 was a bank. Big Ten got everything in the vault and the hundreds...Big 12 got all the smaller bills...ACC came in and scooped up the coins. We have no moral high ground in this nonsense anymore if we stood pat we would have.

What difference does that make?

 

[pokercuse08]

Good article talking about what has been going on for the past 30 days.

'It is insane' — How the ACC's contentious, back-and-forth expansion deal ultimately got done

The ACC's expansion saga finally comes to a close with the addition of Stanford, Cal and SMU. Here's an inside look at how it all went down.

sports.yahoo.com

From the article:

However, while there was some momentum in the endeavor, the ACC found itself behind a rival Power Five conference: the Big 12, which had both geography and time on its side. Commissioner Brett Yormark had been pursuing the Arizona schools and Utah for months and had held intense discussions with Arizona specifically.

ACC reactive as always. They wanted the Arizona schools and Utah as well but they were late to the game. This time it might work in their favor because they got "stuck" with SMU which is actually going to help them a lot in the next round by forcing them into Texas. I'm hoping the next round is to add Houston, Utah, Arizona/Arizona State, and possibly SDSU.

The major population centers driving the economy nationwide are on the East and West Coast and in Texas. If you get more specific, you'd highlight NYC, the Bay Area, SoCal, and Houston/Dallas/Austin. The ACC has a chance to be the only conference representing all of them, and that's not nothing and does lead to some potential to help schools who previously haven't had power conference access build themselves up.

They also have the chance to do so while splitting into divisions that are geographically reasonable, making them look pretty sane. Of course, if it works, they'll probably just get poached an extra time or two.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

From the article:

ACC reactive as always. They wanted the Arizona schools and Utah as well but they were late to the game. This time it might work in their favor because they got "stuck" with SMU which is actually going to help them a lot in the next round by forcing them into Texas. I'm hoping the next round is to add Houston, Utah, Arizona/Arizona State, and possibly SDSU.

The major population centers driving the economy nationwide are on the East and West Coast and in Texas. If you get more specific, you'd highlight NYC, the Bay Area, SoCal, and Houston/Dallas/Austin. The ACC has a chance to be the only conference representing all of them, and that's not nothing and does lead to some potential to help schools who previously haven't had power conference access build themselves up.

They also have the chance to do so while splitting into divisions that are geographically reasonable, making them look pretty sane. Of course, if it works, they'll probably just get poached an extra time or two.

Man my kid is a sophomore at Arizona. We were both so secretly hoping that would have happened.

 

[CuseCactus]

Man my kid is a sophomore at Arizona. We were both so secretly hoping that would have happened.

Me too. Would’ve been glorious from a selfish perspective having UA, ASU and CalFord.

 

[Toga]

Man my kid is a sophomore at Arizona. We were both so secretly hoping that would have happened.

As you may know, the Mexican food in Tucson is unbelievable.