ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[pokercuse08]

Very good post. And on that basis, I give you Cincinnati. It is a very large state university which over the past 30 years clearly has emerged as the second most important in a large and wealthy state. It is also clearly the #2 school in that state for college sports. OH annually is 5th (behind FL, TX, CA, and GA) in total numbers of D1 football recruits. The Cincinnati TV market itself will produce at least as much football talent as New England and NY combined. Plus, Cincy is already the most played rival of an ACC member (Louisville) in both revenue sports.

Cincy is perfect for development within the ACC.

Yup, they'd be a good one to consider, I think "large and wealthy state" might be the only part of this I really disagree with. Ohio is 7th in population, but only 26th in GDP per capita, and I'm not sure that the population there is growing the way it is in parts of Texas or around Phoenix, for example.

But there is a lot of football talent in Ohio, and that's important too.

 

[domestu]

College Gameday: Stanford flew 2200 miles to play Hawaii...

... but Syracuse is 2800 miles away...

NewACC! PAC-Zero

Every big-time athletic department is willing to travel thousands of miles to play an opponent. It is a much different scenario when the majority of your road games are three times zones away.
Giving the new league members a much smaller cut of the ACC's television broadcast payout is not the kind of arrangement that guarantees long term conference stability. I wonder if any of the schools that jumped to the Big 10 or the SEC would have agreed to such a deal. As the number of people departing cable grows, the two super conferences are likely to add a few more members to solidify their position. Nobody can predict exactly how future expansion is going to unfold, but the next shake-up is likely to come long before the ACC television contract expires.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Sad to see the Pac 12 imploding when they are having their best season ever maybe.

Colorado, USC, Utah, and Oregon are all really good and the rest of the conference isn't bad either UW looked excellent WSU OSU are up.

What a shame the garbage Big Ten comes out as a winner in all this that league sucks its 2-3 elite programs and then unwatchable crap like Purdue and Buttgers. How the hell did they score TV deals with CBS and NBC and the Pac 12 couldn't sign anything similar?

 

[atlanticuse]

domestu - I think you quoted me (the second time) by accident. I only said the first part.

 

[CuseCactus]

Sad to see the Pac 12 imploding when they are having their best season ever maybe.

Colorado, USC, Utah, and Oregon are all really good and the rest of the conference isn't bad either UW looked excellent WSU OSU are up.

What a shame the garbage Big Ten comes out as a winner in all this that league sucks its 2-3 elite programs and then unwatchable crap like Purdue and Buttgers. How the hell did they score TV deals with CBS and NBC and the Pac 12 couldn't sign anything similar?

Watching the UCLA game last night I felt bad seeing all the Pac12 ads. It was a great conference.

As a kid I always rooted for the Pac 10 against the Big 10 on New Year’s Day. With Keith Jackson in the booth.

Great memories of many great teams, players.

I admit - I was an advocate for the CFB playoff.

I was wrong - the old format with the great bowls and all the annual controversy about who was the Nat’l Champion was really the best of CFB.

C’est la vie.

 

[atlanticuse]

Sad to see the Pac 12 imploding when they are having their best season ever maybe.

Colorado, USC, Utah, and Oregon are all really good and the rest of the conference isn't bad either UW looked excellent WSU OSU are up.

What a shame the garbage Big Ten comes out as a winner in all this that league sucks its 2-3 elite programs and then unwatchable crap like Purdue and Buttgers. How the hell did they score TV deals with CBS and NBC and the Pac 12 couldn't sign anything similar?

I blame California's policies.
Washington and Oregon, too.
Colorado is on the fence.

 

[orangecuse]

Yup, they'd be a good one to consider, I think "large and wealthy state" might be the only part of this I really disagree with. Ohio is 7th in population, but only 26th in GDP per capita, and I'm not sure that the population there is growing the way it is in parts of Texas or around Phoenix, for example.

But there is a lot of football talent in Ohio, and that's important too.

Scholastic football in the state of Ohio is HUGE! And, it has been the case for numerous decades. My late uncle played in the Ohio state championship game back in the day (Cleveland Cathedral Latin Hall of Fame RB) at old Cleveland Municipal Stadium with 72K in attendance. That type of passion/craziness still exists today.

There is a ton of talent in Ohio. Columbus is now the largest city, and although Cleveland and Cincinnati are pro towns, college football is very significant to the majority of its respective citizens.

I couldn't agree more that the ACC should've taken Cincy when they were ripe for the taking. Myopic vision of leadership in my opinion. A substantial missed opportunity.

 

[domestu]

ACC commissioner Jim Phillips claims adding California, Stanford and SMU will "strengthen the league in all possible ways," but bringing in three schools that do not offer competitive upgrades in football and basketball actually weakens the conference. The Pac-12 disintegrated because of the financial gap the league had in television payouts with the SEC and Big Ten. The late addition of two Pac-12 schools that were left out of the recent conference expansion is an act of desperation that really weakens the league. The ACC expansion highlights the financial concerns that the conference's top football programs are worried about and does nothing to address this issue by adding three members that water down the overall strength of the conference. The members who voted against this expansion must view this decision as a measure that will only hasten their desire to depart as soon as the financial payout for leaving decreases. Instead of strengthening the league, the recent ACC expansion undermines the conference's foundation in many ways and guarantees that it will become a second-rate football conference in future years.

 

[Hoo's That]

Stanford does have a lacrosse team. Could see where they could be THE west coast school of choice for above average academically Lax recruits.

Both Cal and Stanford have women's teams. Their men play in the MCLA club league.

 

[Hoo's That]

I'm looking forward to people in California wondering what the hell is bojangles and food lion

Wait until they get a load of the officiating

Pac-12 refs are worse. One crew's not knowing the rules cost UVa a shot at beating USC-w. The crew was suspended for a week by the Pac-12. A whole lot of good that did us. The Cal board linked in a thread on the b-ball board was loaded with complaints about their refs.

 

[Hoo's That]

From the article:

ACC reactive as always. They wanted the Arizona schools and Utah as well but they were late to the game. This time it might work in their favor because they got "stuck" with SMU which is actually going to help them a lot in the next round by forcing them into Texas. I'm hoping the next round is to add Houston, Utah, Arizona/Arizona State, and possibly SDSU.

The major population centers driving the economy nationwide are on the East and West Coast and in Texas. If you get more specific, you'd highlight NYC, the Bay Area, SoCal, and Houston/Dallas/Austin. The ACC has a chance to be the only conference representing all of them, and that's not nothing and does lead to some potential to help schools who previously haven't had power conference access build themselves up.

They also have the chance to do so while splitting into divisions that are geographically reasonable, making them look pretty sane. Of course, if it works, they'll probably just get poached an extra time or two.

According to articles posted earlier in this thread, the ACC has been working behind the scenes for a year to land other teams with no takers. It takes two to tango.

 

[djorange1989]

Sad to see the Pac 12 imploding when they are having their best season ever maybe.

Colorado, USC, Utah, and Oregon are all really good and the rest of the conference isn't bad either UW looked excellent WSU OSU are up.

What a shame the garbage Big Ten comes out as a winner in all this that league sucks its 2-3 elite programs and then unwatchable crap like Purdue and Buttgers. How the hell did they score TV deals with CBS and NBC and the Pac 12 couldn't sign anything similar?

Seriously, people think the ACC is top heavy? Well, it is, but so is the Big 10, it sucks beyond the 3 East teams. The Big 10 West is ACC Coastal crappy. I live in Big 10 country and I want to cry, listening to the moron homers

 

[TheCusian]

Watching the UCLA game last night I felt bad seeing all the Pac12 ads. It was a great conference.

As a kid I always rooted for the Pac 10 against the Big 10 on New Year’s Day. With Keith Jackson in the booth.

Great memories of many great teams, players.

I admit - I was an advocate for the CFB playoff.

I was wrong - the old format with the great bowls and all the annual controversy about who was the Nat’l Champion was really the best of CFB.

C’est la vie.

You place the blame in the wrong spot. CFB playoff isn’t the issue. It’s the ability of the conferences to bargain for their own media rights (a Supreme Court decision if I remember correctly). Had there been some strategic thinking, CFB (FBS) could have joined together to negotiate a tv contract and then evenly distributed it. An even playing field would have kept the incentives more pure.

 

[Moontan]

The ACC has failed VT since the 2004 expansion, and its time for us to make our exit

Virginia Tech Hokies football, basketball and athletics blog and forum featuring: breaking news, film studies, in-depth analysis, recruiting, videos and jokes. Also, we don't care much for UVa.

www.thekeyplay.com

Some VPI fans want out.

 

[DocFlanders]

The ACC has failed VT since the 2004 expansion, and its time for us to make our exit

Virginia Tech Hokies football, basketball and athletics blog and forum featuring: breaking news, film studies, in-depth analysis, recruiting, videos and jokes. Also, we don't care much for UVa.

www.thekeyplay.com

Some VPI fans want out.

Lol that was a hilarious read, thanks

 

[Bayside44]

Lol that was a hilarious read, thanks

Not even worth opening - same school that has to recycle their athletic gear...

 

[sutomcat]

The ACC has failed VT since the 2004 expansion, and its time for us to make our exit

Virginia Tech Hokies football, basketball and athletics blog and forum featuring: breaking news, film studies, in-depth analysis, recruiting, videos and jokes. Also, we don't care much for UVa.

www.thekeyplay.com

Some VPI fans want out.

Got a lot of ‘facts’ wrong. It would be very VT to leave the ACC and join whatever league peer school Old Dominion plays in. And pay $800 million for the privilege of leaving.

I say go for it.

 

[CuseCactus]

Poor VT. Waaaaah. Mike Vick’s been gone a looooooong time.

 

[Sherman20]

The ACC has failed VT since the 2004 expansion, and its time for us to make our exit

Virginia Tech Hokies football, basketball and athletics blog and forum featuring: breaking news, film studies, in-depth analysis, recruiting, videos and jokes. Also, we don't care much for UVa.

www.thekeyplay.com

Revisionist history nonsense. Blame BC for the ACC failing? Miami and Va Tech failed to hold up their end of the bargain when they joined. They both needed to be way more relevant than they have been. Then FSU allowed themselves to fall off despite all their many resources. What a joke

 

[Bay Area]

You place the blame in the wrong spot. CFB playoff isn’t the issue. It’s the ability of the conferences to bargain for their own media rights (a Supreme Court decision if I remember correctly). Had there been some strategic thinking, CFB (FBS) could have joined together to negotiate a tv contract and then evenly distributed it. An even playing field would have kept the incentives more pure.

In NCAA v. Regents… (1984), the Supreme Court ruled that the NCAA could not control television rights. In fact, those rights belong to the schools. Subsequently, the schools made the decision to turn those rights over to the conference in which they were a member. The rest is history. That was the dawn of the era in which we currently reside.

 

[CousCuse]

Revisionist history nonsense. Blame BC for the ACC failing? Miami and Va Tech failed to hold up their end of the bargain when they joined. They both needed to be way more relevant than they have been. Then FSU allowed themselves to fall off despite all their many resources. What a joke

It does seem that the Boston College leadership doesn't really want to do the necessary things to compete at the P5 level. Like it's below them and their academic mission, and they know they can just freeride at least until 2036, they hope.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Seriously, people think the ACC is top heavy? Well, it is, but so is the Big 10, it sucks beyond the 3 East teams. The Big 10 West is ACC Coastal crappy. I live in Big 10 country and I want to cry, listening to the moron homers

Style of play is awful too. Hoops is rock fights and FB you get garbage like that Nebraska Minnesota game where the winning team had 3 points with 10 mins left. Iowa Illinois Purdue all no better and straight trash to watch.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

In NCAA v. Regents… (1984), the Supreme Court ruled that the NCAA could not control television rights. In fact, those rights belong to the schools. Subsequently, the schools made the decision to turn those rights over to the conference in which they were a member. The rest is history. That was the dawn of the era in which we currently reside.

How did the P12 not get deals from CBS and NBC? It was disgusting to see that garbage B1G conference on both networks yesterday for the first time and weird.

 

[djorange1989]

Style of play is awful too. Hoops is rock fights and FB you get garbage like that Nebraska Minnesota game where the winning team had 3 points with 10 mins left. Iowa Illinois Purdue all no better and straight trash to watch.

Yeah the entire West is terrible to watch, it’s really just the three Easy teams who are interesting. The four new PAC 12 teams will give them 7 interesting teams at least. And four more teams who will stomp Rutgers

 

[HtownOrange]

The ACC has failed VT since the 2004 expansion, and its time for us to make our exit

Virginia Tech Hokies football, basketball and athletics blog and forum featuring: breaking news, film studies, in-depth analysis, recruiting, videos and jokes. Also, we don't care much for UVa.

www.thekeyplay.com

Some VPI fans want out.

The VPI fans must have gotten into the magic mushrooms and hallucinogens, again. VPI didn't deserve their invite in the first place. Selective memory can be a bad thing. Besides, if VPI played football at a high level as they have pretended to do so for decades, maybe the ACC would be making more money. Being a paper tiger the last three decades+ does not warrant the the loony fans of a school to demand an exit that the school does not want (see vote for expansion) and cannot afford.