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ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

Archbold44 said:
How is the B12 losing brands? I really do not understand what you think is going to happen. You think the B1G and SEC are taking 10-12 teams from each of the B12 and ACC? Why would they do that? This is not a game of RISK where the B1G/SEC each need territories to win the game. They are looking to grow their per-school payouts, not reduce them.

There are 4 schools that add value: ND, UNC, Florida State (probably) and Clemson (maybe). The rest would come on partial shares or not at all. But what point is it to have 20 or 24 teams if that destroys the fabric of your conference?
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If that is your premise then there is no point in discussing further. You are missing a lot.

BTW if no schools add value besides those 4, why would the B12 want any ACC teams?
 
Orangefizz said:
I would expect Kansas Colorado Arizona and Arizona State to depart the BIG 12 if the SEC decides to go WEST and expand their conference to 24 teams.

I’d expect UNC UVA/VT Clemson and Duke/NCST to be new members in the EAST
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But neither would want the northeast, be it Syr/BC or Syr/Pitt? I don't think just Rutgers does it.
 
FloridaCuse said:
But neither would want the northeast, be it Syr/BC or Syr/Pitt? I don't think just Rutgers does it.
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Only way IMO the SEC would is if they get Notre Dame as the Northeastern anchor.

The B1G already has Penn State, Rutgers, and Maryland. Plus a ton of alumni from the Midwest. If they get Notre Dame too, they don't need more. Although I do think there is a shot of SU or BC making the B1G in a last team in to round things out scenario.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
Only way IMO the SEC would is if they get Notre Dame as the Northeastern anchor.

The B1G already has Penn State, Rutgers, and Maryland. Plus a ton of alumni from the Midwest. If they get Notre Dame too, they don't need more. Although I do think there is a shot of SU or BC making the B1G in a last team in to round things out scenario.
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Or even Syr/CT. Syr/CT/ND would own NYC. Any chance the SEC would try to pre-empt the B1G there?
 
FloridaCuse said:
Or even Syr/CT. Syr/CT/ND would own NYC. Any chance the SEC would try to pre-empt the B1G there?
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Notre Dame isn't joining a conference until the last possible moment. That will be the end, and not a preemptive move.

The B1G is much more attractive as it is a national conference and has many of Notre Dame's common opponents.
 
FloridaCuse said:
But neither would want the northeast, be it Syr/BC or Syr/Pitt? I don't think just Rutgers does it.
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Penn State and possibly Notre Dame would control the northeast market. I’m sure the Big Ten would love to get rid of Rutgers if they could
 
Orangefizz said:
Penn State and possibly Notre Dame would control the northeast market. I’m sure the Big Ten would love to get rid of Rutgers if they could
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Of course. 0-0And that is the reason that the BT, and also the SEC, will at some point do what the ACC has dine: make part of the TV deal key be given based on how many TV viewers are drawn for each school. That way Rutgers and Northwestern and IU, etc will be shown their place, as will Vandy and Miss St etc. That likely will not lead to any of them deciding to step down to the new Tier 2, but at least Ohio ST and Bama can know they are not getting pickpocketed by schools sir no fans.

AS for schools needed to have total control over what isn this age is possible to e had from the northeast: Penn St and ND will almost do the total job. Pitt, Cuse, and BC all would add a bit, but only a bit. They are not necessary.

Basketball is another breed of cat. To have total control of norteastern states' college BB fans, a conference would need Stracus and UConn for certain and then Pitt, BC, PSU, and Rutgers would help a bit. Also, though they do not play Top Tier football, St Joh's. Nkiva, and Georgetown all would be most helpful.

The BE was founded to be about basketball, and only basketball, for a very good reason pertinent to the northeast and to no other region.
 
Orangefizz said:
I would expect Kansas Colorado Arizona and Arizona State to depart the BIG 12 if the SEC decides to go WEST and expand their conference to 24 teams.

I’d expect UNC UVA/VT Clemson and Duke/NCST to be new members in the SEC EAST
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Colorado is a state that might as well be in he far Northeast in that it LOVES every Pro sport much more than it likes any college sport. Because the ACC has just limitations what holds CU down would not matter: the ACC would gain by adding CU. But the SEC would be adding a mouth to feed by adding CU.

KS is a joke of state, even for BB recruiting. Years ago when SEC nbaseketball looked nearly dead, KU would have a big value to the SEC during winter. But now KU would not bring enough of something the SEC lacks. SEC basketball is now much better than ACC or BT. And as basketball is worth many times less than football, the SEC adding a state worth so little and a football program worth so little would be a stupid move.

The top value for having AZ teams is if you also have CA schools that were Pac. So I see UofAZ and AZ ST as being quite valuable to the ACC but not worth must to the ACC.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
Only way IMO the SEC would is if they get Notre Dame as the Northeastern anchor.

The B1G already has Penn State, Rutgers, and Maryland. Plus a ton of alumni from the Midwest. If they get Notre Dame too, they don't need more. Although I do think there is a shot of SU or BC making the B1G in a last team in to round things out scenario.
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I disagree completely and I don’t think Syracuse will be left out in any sense of the imagination
 
HtownOrange said:
UNC has the resources to buy their way out now, if they had a landing spot, they would jump. They don’t have a landing spot.
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Stuff generally hasn't leaked which is what made the UNC and UVA rumors odd IMO. I would not be surprised one bit if Belichick put this stuff out there to help recruiting despite no real offer.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
I expect UNC to suck this year. I don’t see BB working out there at all.
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I wanna see UNC to suck but BB gets my benefit of the doubt...he earned it.

However, I would love to see a 3-9 campaign and 25 year old g/ soap opera induced buffonery for them as paid back for this leaked SEC handshake story coming out. If this plays out our Friday night game should be huge with them. Like must see CFB TV.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
Notre Dame isn't joining a conference until the last possible moment. That will be the end, and not a preemptive move.

The B1G is much more attractive as it is a national conference and has many of Notre Dame's common opponents.
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Laying aside the ancient anti-Catholic animus issue, the problem with joining the B1G as ND sees it is that the only Midwest concentration of their alums is in Chicago. The bulk of their alums are on each coast, hence playing USC/Stanford on the West Coast every year and in the ACC. Texas has also been a traditional recruiting area for them, so I would imagine their coaches eagerly look forward to playing @ SMU.
 
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HRE Otto IV said:
If that is your premise then there is no point in discussing further. You are missing a lot.

BTW if no schools add value besides those 4, why would the B12 want any ACC teams?
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No schools add more to the SEC/B1G per school payout. If they already get $75M per school. Adding two that bring in $100M dilutes the per school payout.

The Big XII and ACC are each about the same, so not sure that it would move significantly up or down. The Complaint from FSU and Clemson is that the ACC deal stinks. The ACC should be getting more. So losing those two schools might not really change the deal that much.

But a merger to try to inject some juice into all of the programs might grow the pie. Fans are routinely clamoring for regionality. This would bring it back. Bring back WVU/Pitt. Reunite the PAC-6. A Texas-centric division. A Northeast-centric division.

For ESPN, could be a quite a lot of content/inventory to control at a reasonable cost. We might not care about Stanford-Arizona... but we might care about West Virginia/Virginia Tech. Stanford fans might not care about Syracuse-Pitt, but they might care about Utah-BYU.

And maybe the presence of Miami could help UCF grow its brand.

You have to admit that Syracuse fans watching ACC football outside of Syracuse and the elite teams is down. Sure, Clemson-FSU gets some eyeballs outside of those fan bases. So does Georgia-Georgia Tech. But who is streaming NC State vs Duke beyond those fans. Well, if that is a division game with meaning, then maybe Miami, UCF, Duke, and Wake Forest fans are streaming/tuning in? So they now get more viewers just because of the division set up.

I get the B1G and SEC do not need to do this. But 12-team conferences are imperfect too, and every seemed to want to try that for a while. The B12/ACC can do its own thing as Tier 2.
 
Janner said:
Question for the experts who have been following this stuff, and forgive my lack of knowledge/stupid question, but in a situation where the ACC losses UNC and UVA how bad would that hurt the conference from a monetary standpoint? With the ACCN, would we would still carry (carrage rates?) the state of North Carolina with NCst/Duke/Wake, and Virginia with VT still in the conference? Wouldn't adding 2 teams from current states where there presently is no "coverage" (just throwing team name out there, like Cincy, for Ohio and BYU. There are probably better examples the experts might cite) help to to mitigate any real losses? Losing teams from 2 states we have more teams already in almost feels like the "best worse case scenario". I can understand Losing flagship program hurt but IMHO that feels more like FSU and Clemson (who I understand could also go) than UNC and UVA?
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Losing schools might not impact geography of schools that much, but the cable companies could negotiate a lower in-market rate for a state like North Carolina if they lose UNC. The ACCN has been a success, but subscribers had peaked (due to cord cutting), then the ACC added Stanford, Cal, and SMU to increase the number of in-market subscribers and boost ACCN revenues. So, the ACCN revenue declines were pushed out, but it is coming. Streaming revenues could help offset the decline (similar to how ESPN+ has helped ESPN) down the road, but I would think the BTN and SECN have a better chance of signing up streaming subscribers.
 
JimBoston said:
Losing schools might not impact geography of schools that much, but the cable companies could negotiate a lower in-market rate for a state like North Carolina if they lose UNC. The ACCN has been a success, but subscribers had peaked (due to cord cutting), then the ACC added Stanford, Cal, and SMU to increase the number of in-market subscribers and boost ACCN revenues. So, the ACCN revenue declines were pushed out, but it is coming. Streaming revenues could help offset the decline (similar to how ESPN+ has helped ESPN) down the road, but I would think the BTN and SECN have a better chance of signing up streaming subscribers.
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Streaming already works for many ACC fans. I catch most lacrosse games, early hoops games and often the football body bag game via streaming.

Plus, when out of town, I watch/keep tabs on SU games via streaming.

I am not always impressed with the video quality, but it has improved since the early ESPN+ days.
 
Not sure anyone saw this. VPI had a presentation about their future and their slides got released. Cuse has some great MBBall TV numbers and even shows up in Football in 2018 and 2023 (but not last year?!). I still think a lot of people underestimate how many watch this program across the country. We look good here IMO.

 

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