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ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

Rufus_13th said:
If they stick with this - make the QFs home games and give those Bowls to the NON-playoffs teams to gain more attention.
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If there are 20+ playoff teams, how much excitement is there for random bowl games?
 
FloridaCuse said:
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It's not 136 teams for 12 spots.

It is
68 G5/G6 teams seeking 1 spot. 1.5% get in.
and
68 teams seeking the remaining 11 spots. 16.2% get in.

Of those 68 teams seeking 11 spots...

34 are in the SEC/B1G, which get 7 of them. 20% get in.
33 are in the B12/ACC, chasing 3 of them. 9% get in.
And then ND is either in/out. Either 100% in or 100% out.

Of the 33 SEC/B1G teams, this includes Mississippi State, Arkansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue, NW, Minnesota, and UCLA... who will not be getting in for the foreseeable future. That leaves 24 teams. So... really... it is 7 out of 24... 30%.

The ACC/B12 are more wide open. BC, Wake, Syracuse, Stanford have issues. But with Virginia, Houston, and Cincy having good years... never say never.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
As a fan of SU, I am for that. As a fan of CFB, I am against that. As will the SEC.
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You are right that It will NOT happen. The SEC will never agree. The BT is perhaps ready to agree to that to try to slow down the continuing rise of SEC football quality. What the SEC will agree to is 16 total with DSEC a d BT getting 4 reach and ACC and Big 12 getting 2 each, and the remaining 4 at large. The SEC also may agree too allowing 1 other league champ in as auto to hurt ACC and B12 chances to get a 3rd in.

On the other hand the SEC may refuse to allow ACC and Big 12 more than 1 auto bid.

The only way the ACC is going to be able to avoid that is not just to keep all its most valuable members but also to cut its dead weight in terms of passionate and sizable TV viewer numbers and replace with Big 12 members that will improve ACC TV numbers.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
How the heck is VA Tech that high?

OOC road games count or do t count for the payout?
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TV ratings are influenced by the school, their opponent, the network, and the time slot. Both Syracuse and Virginia Tech benefitted from playing an SEC school in week 0/1 which was by far their highest rated game of the season. And, both Syracuse and Virginia Tech benefitted by playing a Friday night game although the UNC/Syracuse game was the lowest rated ESPN Friday 7 PM game of the season so far.

I never liked the ACC payout system due to the many factors that can impact the ratings.
 
Archbold44 said:
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Georgia Tech
Louisville.

Does seem kind of high
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But also - VT is Land Grant in a mid-sized state that plays very good HS football, and VT averages more fans per game than UVA. Those things add up.
 
WoadBlue said:
The only way the ACC is going to be able to avoid that is not just to keep all its most valuable members but also to cut its dead weight in terms of passionate and sizable TV viewer numbers and replace with Big 12 members that will improve ACC TV numbers.
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Other than Temple/Big East, when was the last time a team was kicked out of a major conference?

And I know, it's being generous calling the BE a major conference...
 
orange79 said:
Other than Temple/Big East, when was the last time a team was kicked out of a major conference?

And I know, it's being generous calling the BE a major conference...
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When your life is at stake, you cut off diseased limbs and cut out diseased organs that will kill you if they remain.

I have 0 doubt that UNC will be part of any Top Tier even if it is as small as 40 total members. So I am not saying this because I think it is required to get UNC into this coming much smaller Top Tier that will be forged by SEC and BT. This is my diagnosis for how the ACC can survive as a Top Tier league and be fury viable in the new Top Tier. It must cut dead weight in terms of TV value, value to TV, and then add new members to gain both football quality and football TV viewers.

I also say with 100% confidence that both Wake and BC have 0 chance to remain in any new Top Tier. Big 12 schools that can remain in a new Top Tier and would help the ACC at least a bit west to east: Utah, Arizona St, Arizona, Colorado, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Cincinnati, WVU. USF is the only non-P4 even worth looking at.

Of that group, the school I would add first{ Texas Tech, because it is a large state school I. the most important football state in the country. And it has billionaire Cody Campbell as alum booster with growing major political clout. Plus the TV market with the largest number of TTU alums is all important DFW. The AZ schools could prove invaluable in maximizing value in having Calford. Thus they should be added before Utah, which I would add before Colorado (Broncos dwarf Buffs football and the NFL is not going to Salt lake). Cincy and WVU would make a very nice kind of 'pod that includes VT and Louisville - potentially massive hot rivalries in both revenue sports among that quartet. OH is also a major football state like TX, CA, FL, and GA.

TCU would give us a great ancient rivalry with SMU and the only 2 schools coated in the Top Tier that are in DFW. Baylor hs ancient very hot rivalries with both TCU and SMU as well as with TTU. A TX pod of 4 could prove very beneficial to ACC football.
 
WoadBlue said:
When your life is at stake, you cut off diseased limbs and cut out diseased organs that will kill you if they remain.

I have 0 doubt that UNC will be part of any Top Tier even if it is as small as 40 total members. So I am not saying this because I think it is required to get UNC into this coming much smaller Top Tier that will be forged by SEC and BT. This is my diagnosis for how the ACC can survive as a Top Tier league and be fury viable in the new Top Tier. It must cut dead weight in terms of TV value, value to TV, and then add new members to gain both football quality and football TV viewers.

I also say with 100% confidence that both Wake and BC have 0 chance to remain in any new Top Tier. Big 12 schools that can remain in a new Top Tier and would help the ACC at least a bit west to east: Utah, Arizona St, Arizona, Colorado, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Cincinnati, WVU. USF is the only non-P4 even worth looking at.

Of that group, the school I would add first{ Texas Tech, because it is a large state school I. the most important football state in the country. And it has billionaire Cody Campbell as alum booster with growing major political clout. Plus the TV market with the largest number of TTU alums is all important DFW. The AZ schools could prove invaluable in maximizing value in having Calford. Thus they should be added before Utah, which I would add before Colorado (Broncos dwarf Buffs football and the NFL is not going to Salt lake). Cincy and WVU would make a very nice kind of 'pod that includes VT and Louisville - potentially massive hot rivalries in both revenue sports among that quartet. OH is also a major football state like TX, CA, FL, and GA.

TCU would give us a great ancient rivalry with SMU and the only 2 schools coated in the Top Tier that are in DFW. Baylor hs ancient very hot rivalries with both TCU and SMU as well as with TTU. A TX pod of 4 could prove very beneficial to ACC football.
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You can "say" anything you want, but until I see a major conference cut a school loose, it's all just dreaming, IMO.

But based on your shaky premise, I agree with most of your straw man.
 
orange79 said:
Other than Temple/Big East, when was the last time a team was kicked out of a major conference?

And I know, it's being generous calling the BE a major conference...
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However any ranks any of the forms of BE football, the fact is that GE football indeed booted Temple when it felt itself weak and vulnerable and felt that that change could help it.

What is more interesting to think about is what if Arkansas had told the SWC that it would not leave the SWC if the SWC would boot Rice and replace it with Memphis St. Dropping the smallest school in na Major conference and replacing to with a state school of more than 20K students located in a TV market that borders AR and produces a lot opf talent in both revenue sports.

What we all should be able to see today from all that has happened since the SEC took Arkansas is that the only way to have saved the SWC was a move along those lines. Would that have been enough to save the SWC? Not likely because Memphis is neither Flagship nor Land Grant and also because the SWC needed to be in more than just 3 states. But perhaps making that move might well have made it likely that the SWC could add from elsewhere within a few years. What we should know for certain is that the SWC doing nothing would always guarantee its eventual death.
 

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