ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[SU94]

Do not discount the academic angle. The CIC is the gold standard of academic research cooperation. That's the reason Johns Hopkins (the #1 research institution based upon federal dollars received--at least until the changes of the past year) joined a few years ago.

Virginia doesn’t value itself by its academic company. It just values itself. You’d have to spend extended time on the Grounds to get what I am saying.

 

[SU68]

I'm not sure they want to increase the number - I think they want to boot some and bring in bigger dogs.

I'm not aware of any "P" conference that has booted any teams. The Big East did boot Temple back in the day, but that was for not maintaining the minimum number of butts in the seats and I don't believe that rules exists anymore.

 

[richmondcuse03]

'We are money laundering' — With schools bending (or breaking) new rules, SEC and others mull new governance model

Frustrations over tampering and lack of enforcement from the NCAA have the four power conferences considering drastic changes that could impact the future of college football in several ways.

sports.yahoo.com

Nothing earth shattering but some interesting comments. Seems like the SEC threatening conference only play is a way to get others onboard with the enforcement mechanisms.

The real issue with the CSC are not the denied deals but the unreported deals. I’ve heard of some schools in the SEC that put in deals that are a fraction of what the collective is actually paying. We will see if they actually enforce any of the cheating.

 

[Newhouser]

'We are money laundering' — With schools bending (or breaking) new rules, SEC and others mull new governance model

Frustrations over tampering and lack of enforcement from the NCAA have the four power conferences considering drastic changes that could impact the future of college football in several ways.

sports.yahoo.com

Nothing earth shattering but some interesting comments. Seems like the SEC threatening conference only play is a way to get others onboard with the enforcement mechanisms.

The real issue with the CSC are not the denied deals but the unreported deals. I’ve heard of some schools in the SEC that put in deals that are a fraction of what the collective is actually paying. We will see if they actually enforce any of the cheating.

I'm shocked there are unreported deals. Nobody is going to enforce anything on cheating. We have seen in the past how unfairly that process was executed.

 

[Hoo's That]

I have a new playoff proposal. Give the committee the power to use the CCG's to decide the final teams in the playoff:

For 2025

1. Indiana, 2, Ohio State, 3. Georgia, 4. Texas Tech, 5. Oregon, 6. Ole Miss, 7. A&M, 8. Oklahoma, 9. Alabama, 10. Miami, 11. Notre Dame. All get in without a play-in game.

For final 5 spots, the committee chooses teams for 5 play-in games for CCG weekend... 1 for each P4 and 1 G5:

G5: Tulane v James Madison (winner = 16th seed)

B10: Michigan v USC (winner = 14th seed)

ACC: Virginia v Georgia Tech (winner = 15th seed)

B12: BYU v Utah (winner = 12th seed)

SEC: Texas v Vanderbilt (winner = 13th seed)



B10: 5 teams to play for 4 spots

SEC: 8 teams to play for 6 spots

ACC: 3 teams to play for 2 spots

B12: 2 teams to play for 2 spots

Notre Dame is in as a top 11 seed = 1 team, 1 spot.

G5: 2 teams to play for 1 spot.

21 teams, 16 spots.

CCG weekend drives cash for P4 with an elimination game, while also giving two G5 teams/conferences a big game to also draw revenue.

Top 11 always get in. The 4 top 25 teams excluded were Arizona (#17), Houston (#21), Iowa (23), and North Texas (#25). Nobody here to cry about. All top 16 teams get in.

2024:

1. Oregon, 2. Georgia, 3. Texas, 4. Penn State, 5. ND, 6. Ohio State, 7. Tennessee, 8. Indiana, 9. Boise St., 10 SMU, 11. Alabama:

B12 Play-In: Arizona State v BYU (12th seed)
ACC Play-In: Miami v Clemson (14th seed)
SEC: Ole Miss v South Carolina (13th seed)
B10: Illinois v Iowa (unranked) (15th seed)
G5: Army v UNLV (16th seed)

Top teams excluded: Iowa State (18), Missouri (19), Syracuse (21), Colorado (23), Memphis (25)
SEC: 6 teams for 5, B10: 6 teams for 5, ACC: 3 for 2, B12: 2 for 1, G5, 3 for 2. ND =1 .

Very interesting concept!

 

[Archbold44]

Very interesting concept!

Would just need the G5 conferences to set up a CCG weekend game for 2 teams... maybe hold it in Jacksonville... no G5 schools are directly located there. Most years, it will settle the G5 slot. Everyone so often, it will settle a second G5 slot.

 

[Hoo's That]

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South Carolina? The longest of longshots. Like 1/1000. It ain't happening(!!), but there is a certain degree of logic to the notion of ACC membership for the Gamecocks.

The biggest barrier to SCAR's return to the ACC would be any leftover animosity (in NC mostly) from their leaving the ACC in the 70s. One would like to think it'd be gone by now, but I wouldn't bet a cup of coffee on their getting a unanimous welcome.

 

[Hoo's That]

Do not discount the academic angle. The CIC is the gold standard of academic research cooperation. That's the reason Johns Hopkins (the #1 research institution based upon federal dollars received--at least until the changes of the past year) joined a few years ago.

A LOT of JHU's research money is for their Applied Physics Lab which does defense contracting and research.

 

[Hoo's That]

Virginia doesn’t value itself by its academic company. It just values itself. You’d have to spend extended time on the Grounds to get what I am saying.

Well, there's that.

 

[Newhouser]

The biggest barrier to SCAR's return to the ACC would be any leftover animosity (in NC mostly) from their leaving the ACC in the 70s. One would like to think it'd be gone by now, but I wouldn't bet a cup of coffee on their getting a unanimous welcome.

You think the SEC would include the Gamecocks in one of the schools they want to move on from? Just curious as I know quite a few USC alums (their abbreviation not mine) and they all think they get the same treatment from the SEC that we do from the ACC.

 

[Hoo's That]

You think the SEC would include the Gamecocks in one of the schools they want to move on from? Just curious as I know quite a few USC alums (their abbreviation not mine) and they all think they get the same treatment from the SEC that we do from the ACC.

I think they do. The only thing they get from them is a fairly certain win for the bluebloods.

On our board, they're "USC-e", as opposed to ND's "friends" the Trojans who are "USC-w."

 

[HtownOrange]

I think they do. The only thing they get from them is a fairly certain win for the bluebloods.

On our board, they're "USC-e", as opposed to ND's "friends" the Trojans who are "USC-w."

You left out the USC-n, a.k.a. Rutgers.*

* for those new to this forum, years ago one Rutgers fan claimed something to the effect that Rutgers was Ivy league all week and USC on Saturdays. I will stand corrected if I have the quote incorrect, I suspect I do.

 

[longtimefan]

You left out the USC-n, a.k.a. Rutgers.*

* for those new to this forum, years ago one Rutgers fan claimed something to the effect that Rutgers was Ivy league all week and USC on Saturdays. I will stand corrected if I have the quote incorrect, I suspect I do.

A similar line I read concerned BC--Harvard 6 days of the week and Notre Dame on Saturday.

 

[Hoo's That]

You left out the USC-n, a.k.a. Rutgers.*

* for those new to this forum, years ago one Rutgers fan claimed something to the effect that Rutgers was Ivy league all week and USC on Saturdays. I will stand corrected if I have the quote incorrect, I suspect I do.

One of our ADs said. "UVa fans want to be Harvard during the week and Ohio State on Saturday."

 

[Archbold44]

One of our ADs said. "UVa fans want to be Harvard during the week and Ohio State on Saturday."

I'd settle for Syracuse for 1987-1998 on all days.

 

[WoadBlue]

The biggest barrier to SCAR's return to the ACC would be any leftover animosity (in NC mostly) from their leaving the ACC in the 70s. One would like to think it'd be gone by now, but I wouldn't bet a cup of coffee on their getting a unanimous welcome.

SoCar leade3rs acted like total idiots when leaving, for a couple years before. And their sports boosters left basting of how leaving the ACC would enable them to become the next Bama in football and UK in basketball. Just total insanity. On the part of the 4 NC schools - it was animosity toward a school that they ranked as academically, and socially, dead last in the conference getting extremely uppity when its entire sports history was 1 ACC championship in each revenue sport. ON the UNC part, it was also about wanting to shut up then SoCar basketball coach Frank McGuire, whom UNC had wrongly fired out of the scandal that ended the Dixie Classic.

SoCar would consider re-entering the ACC only if it somehow got the TV money to come close equaling SEC money. I think that SoCar people, as crazy as they are still, know that they have a MUCH better chance of winning the ACC in football than winning the SEC in either revenue sport. That plus the thought of recreating the old UNC-SoCar bloody rivalry games would bring a number of them to the table with open minds. I think UNC people also accept that that an annual ACC football game vs. SoCar would be very good for UNC.

 

[WoadBlue]

One of our ADs said. "UVa fans want to be Harvard during the week and Ohio State on Saturday."

The UNC version of that which Dick Crum repeated in a press conference is thatUNC wanted to be Harvard during the week and Alabama on Saturdays. One joke that came from that is that Dean Smith was infuriated because UNC basketball did not have to wish to be anybody. Indeed, Smith was the product of his KU football-despising mentor Phog Allen.

 

[WoadBlue]

You think the SEC would include the Gamecocks in one of the schools they want to move on from? Just curious as I know quite a few USC alums (their abbreviation not mine) and they all think they get the same treatment from the SEC that we do from the ACC.

SoCar teams had very little history with any of the then 11 (Arkansas was already in) SEC schools when it joined the SEC.

 

[Toga]

Has anyone done a wellness check on Paul Finebaum?

 

[TexanMark]

Has anyone done a wellness check on Paul Finebaum?

I heard he is headed out of the country with all the other loons

 

[HtownOrange]

I heard he is headed out of the country with all the other loons

The silver lining is that he finally moved out of his mother’s basement

 

[baggerbob]

I'd settle for Syracuse for 1987-1998 on all days.

1956-1968 weren't bad either. I've lived through both.

 

[Moontan]

I'd settle for Syracuse for 1987-1998 on all days.

The 1984 win over #1 Nebraska wasn’t bad either.