ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Scooch]

Alabama and Oklahoma didn’t deserve to be in whatsoever.

Bama is such a great example of what I'm talking about.

Any other school loses to FSU as they did and they fall out of the top 25. Of course Bama doesn't, cuz history and SEC.

They got credit for beating then-#14 Mizzou and then-#11 Tennessee. Teams that had no business being ranked that high, but they got credit for beating cupcake OOC teams and mid-tier SEC teams -- the vaunted phantom quality depth.

They lost to Oklahoma... who beefed up their ranking by beating the phantom quality SEC depth. So it's seen as a good loss.

And of course they got hammered by the two, actually good teams they played: UGA and Indiana.

It's all so stupidly circular.

 

[kirbivore]

Little crazy talk here. But the SEC hasn’t felt the need to increase its size, wanting to keep the conference “strong”. I wonder if the thought process might change a little with this years, especially, lack of success in the bowls. Does SEC start thinking that maybe adding some more cupcake teams as the B10 has done, will help the better SEC teams not beat up on each other all season. As far as from their perspective. Having some built in cupcake teams to play like the B10 has Rutgers and MD. Maybe that means a school like SU, other than the regional differences which the SEC cares about more than the B10, could mean we have a place to go instead of just the B12.

I volunteer Syracuse to be one of those future SEC cupcakes.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Enjoy

 

[Orangefizz]

Enjoy

Can I be the first to call for a UF and FSU trade

I volunteer Syracuse to be one of those future SEC cupcakes.

nice try, but i bet it’s Duke that makes the SEC when the conference expands

SEC:
Duke UNC UVA CLEM MIAMI ND
KU ARIZONA

BIG 10 adds:
Cal Stanford GT FSU
Utah ASU TexasTech

 

[HRE Otto IV]

That has to be TIC. ACC payout + all the playoff money is still less than the SEC payout. And you won’t make the title game payout every year.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Can I be the first to call for a UF and FSU trade

nice try, but i bet it’s Duke that makes the SEC when the conference expands

SEC:
Duke UNC UVA CLEM MIAMI ND
KU ARIZONA

BIG 10 adds:
Cal Stanford GT FSU
Utah ASU TexasTech

You change your conference predictions more than some people change their underwear.

 

[Archbold44]

I have a new playoff proposal. Give the committee the power to use the CCG's to decide the final teams in the playoff:

For 2025

1. Indiana, 2, Ohio State, 3. Georgia, 4. Texas Tech, 5. Oregon, 6. Ole Miss, 7. A&M, 8. Oklahoma, 9. Alabama, 10. Miami, 11. Notre Dame. All get in without a play-in game.

For final 5 spots, the committee chooses teams for 5 play-in games for CCG weekend... 1 for each P4 and 1 G5:

G5: Tulane v James Madison (winner = 16th seed)

B10: Michigan v USC (winner = 14th seed)

ACC: Virginia v Georgia Tech (winner = 15th seed)

B12: BYU v Utah (winner = 12th seed)

SEC: Texas v Vanderbilt (winner = 13th seed)



B10: 5 teams to play for 4 spots

SEC: 8 teams to play for 6 spots

ACC: 3 teams to play for 2 spots

B12: 2 teams to play for 2 spots

Notre Dame is in as a top 11 seed = 1 team, 1 spot.

G5: 2 teams to play for 1 spot.

21 teams, 16 spots.

CCG weekend drives cash for P4 with an elimination game, while also giving two G5 teams/conferences a big game to also draw revenue.

Top 11 always get in. The 4 top 25 teams excluded were Arizona (#17), Houston (#21), Iowa (23), and North Texas (#25). Nobody here to cry about. All top 16 teams get in.

2024:

1. Oregon, 2. Georgia, 3. Texas, 4. Penn State, 5. ND, 6. Ohio State, 7. Tennessee, 8. Indiana, 9. Boise St., 10 SMU, 11. Alabama:

B12 Play-In: Arizona State v BYU (12th seed)
ACC Play-In: Miami v Clemson (14th seed)
SEC: Ole Miss v South Carolina (13th seed)
B10: Illinois v Iowa (unranked) (15th seed)
G5: Army v UNLV (16th seed)

Top teams excluded: Iowa State (18), Missouri (19), Syracuse (21), Colorado (23), Memphis (25)
SEC: 6 teams for 5, B10: 6 teams for 5, ACC: 3 for 2, B12: 2 for 1, G5, 3 for 2. ND =1 .

 

[Scooch]

The idea that the ACC would do anything proactive is hysterical.

HYSTERICAL.

 

[Archbold44]

That has to be TIC. ACC payout + all the playoff money is still less than the SEC payout. And you won’t make the title game payout every year.

The figures for last year had SEC only about $8M> above ACC payout. If that ballooned to $10M this year... Miami has $20M from the playoffs. How much will Florida get for its share?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The figures for last year had SEC only about $8M> above ACC payout. If that ballooned to $10M this year... Miami has $20M from the playoffs. How much will Florida get for its share?

That was pre playoff and pre new TV contract. You can bump that payout by $20M easily.

 

[Archbold44]

That was pre playoff and pre new TV contract. You can bump that payout by $20M easily.

How much is Florida getting this year? I think Miami's haul will be close. Florida gets more fans to attend games though, so that might make Florida more money overall. But if it was FSU instead of Miami, might be very very close. $20M for a playoff run is pretty nice. And Miami's TV deal share might be pretty close to what Notre Dame is getting from NBC... roughly $50M.

It is the B1G that has so much more money than the ACC. And they have more than the SEC also.

 

[Sherman20]

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Can I be the first to call for a UF and FSU trade

nice try, but i bet it’s Duke that makes the SEC when the conference expands

SEC:
Duke UNC UVA CLEM MIAMI ND
KU ARIZONA

BIG 10 adds:
Cal Stanford GT FSU
Utah ASU TexasTech

UNC and UVA would go to the Big 10, imo, if the ACC imploded, which I don’t think it will. Academics matter at those schools, and so does the the CIC academic consortium. Since the conferences are the two top dogs, they’re going to want to go to the one with better institutional fits, which are the Big 10 schools. Same with ND, GT and possibly Miami, all good academic schools. Knock the academic component all you want, but it matters, especially when you’re talking about two essentially equal options.

 

[Sherman20]

Enjoy

This post is probably nonsense. But Florida is a good academic school, so they would fit well.

 

[Orangefan1]

if these SEC teams see an easier road with keeping all the money who not leave

 

[qdawgg]

How much is Florida getting this year? I think Miami's haul will be close. Florida gets more fans to attend games though, so that might make Florida more money overall. But if it was FSU instead of Miami, might be very very close. $20M for a playoff run is pretty nice. And Miami's TV deal share might be pretty close to what Notre Dame is getting from NBC... roughly $50M.

It is the B1G that has so much more money than the ACC. And they have more than the SEC also.

Florida gets that every year whether they win 1 win or 10. Miami doesn’t get an extra 20 mill every year. Might not see that again for who knows when.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

How much is Florida getting this year? I think Miami's haul will be close. Florida gets more fans to attend games though, so that might make Florida more money overall. But if it was FSU instead of Miami, might be very very close. $20M for a playoff run is pretty nice. And Miami's TV deal share might be pretty close to what Notre Dame is getting from NBC... roughly $50M.

It is the B1G that has so much more money than the ACC. And they have more than the SEC also.

We will see but I believe the expected payouts are $70M to $45M. So when you add the $20M, none of which is a sure thing, you are still worse off financially in the ACC.

 

[Newhouser]

Florida is not going to leave the SEC.

 

[SU68]

What I don't understand is why the SEC or B1G would want to add any schools. It just adds additional pieces of the pie and I don't believe that ESPN, Fox, streaming services, etc. will pay much more money for the new schools.

 

[Archbold44]

What I don't understand is why the SEC or B1G would want to add any schools. It just adds additional pieces of the pie and I don't believe that ESPN, Fox, streaming services, etc. will pay much more money for the new schools.

It would be somewhat silly for ESPN to agree to pay Florida State $20M more just to switch from ACC to SEC. FSU's schedule v ACC teams gets X viewers. FSU's schedule v SEC teams would get Y viewers. Is Y-X worth $20M? if not, then ESPN is probably happier keeping the ACC viable.

It is only FSU that has the issue... and, like ND complaining about the ACC when it was the playoff committee that excluded them... FSU is complaining about the ACC when it is ESPN that will not agree to finance their move to the SEC.

 

[Newhouser]

What I don't understand is why the SEC or B1G would want to add any schools. It just adds additional pieces of the pie and I don't believe that ESPN, Fox, streaming services, etc. will pay much more money for the new schools.

I'm not sure they want to increase the number - I think they want to boot some and bring in bigger dogs.

 

[HtownOrange]

I'm not sure they want to increase the number - I think they want to boot some and bring in bigger dogs.

The SEC is finding out that some "bigger dogs" are not as big as they thought they were now that there are more big dogs. In other words, they need more dregs and middle of the pack to keep all the big dogs happy. I am surprised they rushed to the new 9-game conference slate as now more losses will be in-conference as opposed to wins over out-of-conference patsies.*

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


*Math (on a no-math fansite): The ninth conference game forces the entire SEC slate to show 8 wins and 8 losses. Previously, the range was between 0 wins and 16 losses to 16 wins and zero losses. The number was skew-able - skewed well - to the higher wins by every team scheduling what for them was a patsies to probable win game.

The net result is that with eleven teams that consider themselves "big dogs", several (no less than three annually, probably more) will be suffering losses they didn't face not so long ago. The solutions are expansion, less conference games, more games overall, teams leaving. Grab some popcorn and watch what happens. It should be amusing to ACC fans.

 

[SU94]

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UNC and UVA would go to the Big 10, imo, if the ACC imploded, which I don’t think it will. Academics matter at those schools, and so does the the CIC academic consortium. Since the conferences are the two top dogs, they’re going to want to go to the one with better institutional fits, which are the Big 10 schools. Same with ND, GT and possibly Miami, all good academic schools. Knock the academic component all you want, but it matters, especially when you’re talking about two essentially equal options.

Respectfully disagree. UVa and UNC could certainly hang in the B1G based on their academic profiles. But both schools identify as southern, and that is a long way (literally, figuratively, politically) from the Midwest.

In a vacuum, they'd chose the SEC, because of this, as well as the fact that they would be easy academic leaders in the conference, alongside Vandy, Texas and UF. Georgia is a trending properly on academic front too.

And UF would be more likely to join the AFC South than the ACC.
South Carolina? The longest of longshots. Like 1/1000. It ain't happening(!!), but there is a certain degree of logic to the notion of ACC membership for the Gamecocks.

 

[Toga]

I'm not sure they want to increase the number - I think they want to boot some and bring in bigger dogs.

I remain a proponent of a Vandy for N.C. State swap.

 

[Orangefizz]

I remain a proponent of a Vandy for N.C. State swap.

Vandy is turning into a competitive team in all sports. It’s why I think they would prefer Duke, Notre Dame and Miami to join the SEC

 

[longtimefan]

Respectfully disagree. UVa and UNC could certainly hang in the B1G based on their academic profiles. But both schools identify as southern, and that is a long way (literally, figuratively, politically) from the Midwest.

In a vacuum, they'd chose the SEC, because of this, as well as the fact that they would be easy academic leaders in the conference, alongside Vandy, Texas and UF. Georgia is a trending properly on academic front too.

And UF would be more likely to join the AFC South than the ACC.
South Carolina? The longest of longshots. Like 1/1000. It ain't happening(!!), but there is a certain degree of logic to the notion of ACC membership for the Gamecocks.

Do not discount the academic angle. The CIC is the gold standard of academic research cooperation. That's the reason Johns Hopkins (the #1 research institution based upon federal dollars received--at least until the changes of the past year) joined a few years ago.