ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[HRE Otto IV]

It is good to see the stupidity is spreading to all levels.

The only winners in all these crazy moves? The charter airline companies. Invest in them and become rich!

To be fair in the 90s NIU was in the same conference as UNLV, Nevada, and San Jose State (all 3 now MWC) as well as Utah State, New Mexico State, and Pacific.

At one point they were in the now Horizon League in BBall and would be a good fit there again.

 

[Orangello]

I absolutely hate them tearing apart the MAC. Thought the MAC had a decent chance at coming out of this whole. This sucks

Now they can just add UMass and all's good

 

[texascpa]

To be fair in the 90s NIU was in the same conference as UNLV, Nevada, and San Jose State (all 3 now MWC) as well as Utah State, New Mexico State, and Pacific.

At one point they were in the now Horizon League in BBall and would be a good fit there again.

You know what's hilarious about all the consternation about football teams playing a couple games across the country, The Stanford Field Hockey Team was part of the America East conference BEFORE Stanford joined the ACC. They had to play four games on the East coast in 2023. They had Maryland and Rutgers travel out to Cali to play them. We are complaining about revenue-generating teams playing a few games out of their time zone and you have some schools flying their non-revenue teams all over the country prior to these football-centric moves. Sorry, but the travel argument is played out.

 

[longtimefan]

You know what's hilarious about all the consternation about football teams playing a couple games across the country, The Stanford Field Hockey Team was part of the America East conference BEFORE Stanford joined the ACC. They had to play four games on the East coast in 2023. They had Maryland and Rutgers travel out to Cali to play them. We are complaining about revenue-generating teams playing a few games out of their time zone and you have some schools flying their non-revenue teams all over the country prior to these football-centric moves. Sorry, but the travel argument is played out.

You're correct. The inconsistency (hypocrisy?) of the argument is clear.

However, these long mid-week treks by players in any sport are a bad idea--assuming there is any true belief in the academic model.

 

[storange]

It’s the tradition and loss of rivalries that I hate. It takes 5 hours in travel time from coast to coast , not a big deal. SU proved that this year.

 

[SUfaninAZ]

It’s the tradition and loss of rivalries that I hate. It takes 5 hours in travel time from coast to coast , not a big deal. SU proved that this year.

Good thing for us we don’t have a real rival

 

[kirbivore]

It is good to see the stupidity is spreading to all levels.

The only winners in all these crazy moves? The charter airline companies. Invest in them and become rich!

 

[Hoo's That]

Other than the "Mountain" and "West" part, they'll fit right in...

Just like Cal and Stanford in the ACC, LOL.

Well, if you change it to "All Coasts Conference" Cal, Stanford, and SMU fit right in.

 

[Oakland]

You know what's hilarious about all the consternation about football teams playing a couple games across the country, The Stanford Field Hockey Team was part of the America East conference BEFORE Stanford joined the ACC. They had to play four games on the East coast in 2023. They had Maryland and Rutgers travel out to Cali to play them. We are complaining about revenue-generating teams playing a few games out of their time zone and you have some schools flying their non-revenue teams all over the country prior to these football-centric moves. Sorry, but the travel argument is played out.

I'd like to see a survey of players from multiple sports before I think the travel argument is played out.

 

[Oakland]

It’s the tradition and loss of rivalries that I hate. It takes 5 hours in travel time from coast to coast , not a big deal. SU proved that this year.

5 hours flight time if you have a direct flight; 2 hours to get to the airport, go thru security, and wait for takeoff, more time waiting for the plane to taxi after landing, unload, get your stuff - much more than 5 hrs. And there will be few flights that takeoff and land just when you want to.

 

[sufandu]

5 hours flight time if you have a direct flight; 2 hours to get to the airport, go thru security, and wait for takeoff, more time waiting for the plane to taxi after landing, unload, get your stuff - much more than 5 hrs. And there will be few flights that takeoff and land just when you want to.

Do they charter flights or fly commercial? Charter doesn't have to deal with all of the security stuff or layovers. I suppose it would probably make sense for football teams to charter but not the smaller teams.

 

[storange]

5 hours flight time if you have a direct flight; 2 hours to get to the airport, go thru security, and wait for takeoff, more time waiting for the plane to taxi after landing, unload, get your stuff - much more than 5 hrs. And there will be few flights that takeoff and land just when you want to.

Teams run charters , they don’t go through everything regular commercial passengers do. I have never heard of team charter with a connection for one . ( Maybe our trip to Tokyo )

 

[Toga]

PAC 12 was quite the mess

NCAA financial reports reveal massive budget hit to Pac-12 legacy schools from Comcast scandal and conference departure

Combine the negotiated settlement with the Pac-12 and the Comcast overpayment scandal, and the 10 departed schools lost $100+ million.

www.mercurynews.com

 

[kingtidge]

PAC 12 was quite the mess

NCAA financial reports reveal massive budget hit to Pac-12 legacy schools from Comcast scandal and conference departure

Combine the negotiated settlement with the Pac-12 and the Comcast overpayment scandal, and the 10 departed schools lost $100+ million.

www.mercurynews.com

pay-walled

 

[HtownOrange]

PAC 12 was quite the mess

NCAA financial reports reveal massive budget hit to Pac-12 legacy schools from Comcast scandal and conference departure

Combine the negotiated settlement with the Pac-12 and the Comcast overpayment scandal, and the 10 departed schools lost $100+ million.

www.mercurynews.com

That is screwed up, it may be a part of the impetus to leave the PAC-12 by everyone. If the new deal wasn't large enough to cover the losses they knew of they were almost bound to look for stability elsewhere.

It may also be why the preferred schools were looking for the most stable conferences, those with networks. The Big 12 was the "safety-net".

The above is pure speculation on my part, yet it helps to understand why Stanford and Cal were willing to consider a cut share to join the ACC. Even if the ACC explodes in 2036, they have time - and resources - to make themselves attractive. If nothing else, the ACC survives 2036 and they are set for a while...until the next round of conference re-alignment.*


* I am beginning to think that re-alignment is not the goal - though aligning the "chosen schools" may be a goal - but rather re-alignment is the long term norm. The conferences have been around more than a century. All conferences little resemble their original make-up of the the conference, except the Ivy League. Several conferences have been disbanded.

 

[HtownOrange]

pay-walled

Likewise on my computer, though I was able to read via my phone. Hope this helps.