ACC tournament projection v. 2.0

[Knicks411]

Right now they are taking 13-11 Xavier over us. Xavier is 0-6 against AP top 25 teams. There is no good win on their resume.

Funny that Xavier is one spot behind us at KP, 56 to our 55 and 2 in NET (53 vs 51)

They did beat Oklahoma (35 KP, 32 NET) and Creighton (18 KP, 26 NET) at home. Both teams have 1 quad 1 win, we're 4-1 in Q2 vs 4-4 for them.

Really pretty similar profiles, at least at first glance

 

[CousCuse]

What other bubble team faces another bubble team of the caliber of Dook in a game that amounts to a NCAAT elimination game? A win there should be enough.

 

[Alsacs]

What other bubble team faces another bubble team of the caliber of Dook in a game that amounts to a NCAAT elimination game? A win there should be enough.

If you were on the committee Syracuse would be a 2 seed right now and JB would have 500 wins added to his career win total.

This take is incorrect. One win against Duke doesn’t get us in.

 

[CousCuse]

If you were on the committee Syracuse would be a 2 seed right now and JB would have 500 wins added to his career win total.

This take is incorrect. One win against Duke doesn’t get us in.

Dook is still Dook. Thet lose and they're out. I would look at it as a Q1 level win.

 

[Alsacs]

Dook is still Dook. Thet lose and they're out. I would look at it as a Q1 level win.

What you think is your opinion.
You are entitled to that.
It doesn’t mean it’s accurate or what happens in the selection room in reality.

 

[Ragman2000]

The things that Duke and Syracuse both have in common on the bubble is that there is going to be a big lack of "name recognition" in the tourney this year. Kentucky, Mich State, UNC, Duke, Indiana, Syracuse all bubble teams or out. They don't want t a tourney full of midmajors and low name teams (even if they're really really good this year). At the end of the day it's all about TV ratings, and this year of all years, the committee is going to make up their own criteria given the unbalanced schedules, the lack of as much interconference data, etc. I guarantee that some of the name bubble teams will get in that "shouldn't."

I think our past history of tourney success as a low seed also plays into our favor. Ultimately I think we'll find a way into the tourney somehow.

 

[CousCuse]

What you think is your opinion.
You are entitled to that.
It doesn’t mean it’s accurate or what happens in the selection room in reality.

Ideas stated on the net take on a life of their own.

 

[Alsacs]

Ideas stated on the net take on a life of their own.

I have no problem with anyone giving an opinion as long as they can take the pushback in disagreement.

You don’t get offended or cry about it so I give you that. If people want to disagree with what I say I don’t either. When they want to fight me thru my opinions that is annoying.

 

[CousCuse]

I have no problem with anyone giving an opinion as long as they can take the pushback in disagreement.

You don’t get offended or cry about it so I give you that. If people want to disagree with what I say I don’t either. When they want to fight me thru my opinions that is annoying.

The word argue is an ancient Greek word that means, to make clear. That's my point of view on differences of opinion.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The things that Duke and Syracuse both have in common on the bubble is that there is going to be a big lack of "name recognition" in the tourney this year. Kentucky, Mich State, UNC, Duke, Indiana, Syracuse all bubble teams or out. They don't want t a tourney full of midmajors and low name teams (even if they're really really good this year). At the end of the day it's all about TV ratings, and this year of all years, the committee is going to make up their own criteria given the unbalanced schedules, the lack of as much interconference data, etc. I guarantee that some of the name bubble teams will get in that "shouldn't."

I think our past history of tourney success as a low seed also plays into our favor. Ultimately I think we'll find a way into the tourney somehow.

It will definitely be interesting to see how this shakes out.

 

[Ryand877]

If you were on the committee Syracuse would be a 2 seed right now and JB would have 500 wins added to his career win total.

This take is incorrect. One win against Duke doesn’t get us in.

I agree, however (obviously depends on Saturday to an extent), a Syracuse/Duke game could be an "elimination game" from tournament contention. Cuse wins 2 more, they are in. One is not enough, but one loss on Wednesday, and obviously its over.

 

[MSOrange]

I agree, however (obviously depends on Saturday to an extent), a Syracuse/Duke game could be an "elimination game" from tournament contention. Cuse wins 2 more, they are in. One is not enough, but one loss on Wednesday, and obviously its over.

Agree. I would feel much better than I anticipated I would with 2 wins in the ACC tournament.

 

[DCUNITED13]

If we play Duke in the ACCT and win, does that eliminate Duke from "The Dance". This is a win-win situation folks. Go Cuse.

 

[Briancuse]

What other bubble team faces another bubble team of the caliber of Dook in a game that amounts to a NCAAT elimination game? A win there should be enough.

We don't even know if we are playing duke, and if they lose sat they will be 11-11. I do agree that one more win and we should at least be like 50-50 because everyone on the bubble is losing.

 

[Ryand877]

If we play Duke in the ACCT and win, does that eliminate Duke from "The Dance". This is a win-win situation folks. Go Cuse.

Maybe. Depends if Duke wins at UNC Saturday too.

 

[upperdeck]

other than looking at some flawed computer numbers I really dont see how any of the last 8 teams or so are any better than the top 4 bubble teams.. no one really played OC games enough to draw any conclusions..

 

[Bball44]

other than looking at some flawed computer numbers I really dont see how any of the last 8 teams or so are any better than the top 4 bubble teams.. no one really played OC games enough to draw any conclusions..

The outcome of the ACC/BIG 10 challenge may carry extra baggage for ACC.

 

[pearl31]

other than looking at some flawed computer numbers I really dont see how any of the last 8 teams or so are any better than the top 4 bubble teams.. no one really played OC games enough to draw any conclusions..

This is the correct take right now.
And, I suspect, is closer to the reality of how the committee is actually approaching it, than what professional guessers like lunardi are trying to sell

 

[Briancuse]

The outcome of the ACC/BIG 10 challenge may carry extra baggage for ACC.

I wonder how much buddy not playing against rutgirls will factor into the committees minds.

 

[upperdeck]

The outcome of the ACC/BIG 10 challenge may carry extra baggage for ACC.

yeah.. but if any year you cant really draw conclusions from game 1 to 30 its this yr..

They need to watch games more than ever.. Just 1 comparison

VCU going 17-6 vs SU going 15-8 with neither team really having any OC wins is tough

if you really think 7 ACC teams are going than the conf as a whole must have been much tougher

VCU played 5 and went 1-4
SU played 6-10 games vs teams in the tourney and went 3-5

yet who played the tougher schedule

VCU seems to be in easily though?

 

[OrangeYaGladi]

This is the correct take right now.
And, I suspect, is closer to the reality of how the committee is actually approaching it, than what professional guessers like lunardi are trying to sell

It's easy for amateur bracket matrix obsessors like us to get fixated on the difference between the 10 and 11 seeds verses the first 8-10 teams that are listed as out (many of whom may only receive single digits votes for inclusion in the field).

But I agree that all of these teams are probably considered in the same tier--especially at this point before most conference tournaments have even started.

Having said that, if Syracuse only wins 1 in the ACCT--and even that may be difficult--few around here should be feeling confident.

 

[OrangeYaGladi]

I wonder how much buddy not playing against rutgirls will factor into the committees minds.

in a year with so many extenuating circumstances, I doubt this approaches the bar for factoring into the decision making

 

[Briancuse]

in a year with so many extenuating circumstances, I doubt this approaches the bar for factoring into the decision making

Why wouldn't it, he is our leading scorer.

 

[OrangeYaGladi]

Why wouldn't it, he is our leading scorer.

It was a single game against a bubble team who was also missing a key contributor

 

[Alsacs]

Why wouldn't it, he is our leading scorer.

Rutgers didn’t have Geo Baker.
Who is one of their best players if not their best.