ADJW on Dino: "He's going to be our coach in 2021"

[GoSU96]

We played the first two games without a RB, Tucker assumedly wasn't ready. Those guys are / were fine and would've given us balance on offense.

SU was a Rhino moving away from having to forfeit the season, and Tirico said something like 27 kids didn't make it to the end. No one is winning like that.

But Why?!?! did this happen!

 

[TheCusian]

Given all the unprecedented things the program faced in 2020, I think it's fair to flush the season and move on on to 2021.

However, if we're going to do that, we also can't cling to the 2020 win total and suggest that going from 1 win to, say, 4 wins in 2021, is some kind of sign of miraculous improvement. If 2020 means nothing then I think it really has to mean nothing, and can't be used as a benchmark for 2021.

Which is just to say that I think it's absolutely critical for Dino to find a way to win 6 and make a bowl next season. Anything short of that is a cause for concern, IMHO.

I agree 100%. If the SoS gets back to relative normal, that should be used to properly understand the increase in wins too.

 

[GoSU96]

Rhino is a BS excuse by babers, the OL rule has to do with lineman being out due to covid, not one guy on the line opted out or missed a game due to covid.

No in the interview Wildhack clearly said if you don't have 7, you can't play. You have a citation for why that number has to be driven by covid?

 

[GoSU96]

Here are the positives.
10 win season
Runs a very clean program
Represents the University with class
Has shown a recent willingness to embrace change
Players support him
Best recruiting class since he became coach
Support of Administration and major donors.

Support of program alums
The resolution of the team to get through this season.
They played as hard or harder the last two games as they did any game this year.

 

[Bayside44]

But Why?!?! did this happen!

I think the same people would be cranky rooting for Alabama.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

But Why?!?! did this happen!

God is punishing us for wearing blue pants

 

[GoSU96]

God is punishing us for wearing blue pants

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I can see that .

 

[FloridaFan]

Support of program alums
The resolution of the team to get through this season.
They played as hard or harder the last two games as they did any game this year.

A former player on one of the syracuse FB pages mentioned he wasn’t welcome on the hill. So idk if it’s full support

 

[Scooch]

I agree 100%. If the SoS gets back to relative normal, that should be used to properly understand the increase in wins too.

I'll also add injuries into that SoS mix. There are a certain amount of injuries we simply have to expect, given that its football and all. Now, 2020 was not a reasonable amount. And that's among the reasons why we flush the season. But if we're sitting at 2-7 next year, and we've lost, say, 1 starting OLmen and 1 backup to injuries, I don't want to read that as an excuse.

Of course that's why in another thread I said that I want us to land another QB via the portal. SU is always going to have major depth issues, it's just who we are as a program. But we gotta be able to withstand the usual amount that hit a program every year.

 

[Bayside44]

A former player on one of the syracuse FB pages mentioned he wasn’t welcome on the hill. So idk if it’s full support

That's nothing new, and without context really doesn't mean much.

I think it was Nunes (could be wrong on this) and Marrone not seeing eye to eye on the former player thing either. But the AD welcomes former athletes back in general with open arms.

 

[Bayside44]

I'll also add injuries into that SoS mix. There are a certain amount of injuries we simply have to expect, given that its football and all. Now, 2020 was not a reasonable amount. And that's among the reasons why we flush the season. But if we're sitting at 2-7 next year, and we've lost, say, 1 starting OLmen and 1 backup to injuries, I don't want to read that as an excuse.

Of course that's why in another thread I said that I want us to land another QB via the portal. SU is always going to have major depth issues, it's just who we are as a program. But we gotta be able to withstand the usual amount that hit a program every year.

Agree with this. If Tommy was really that banged up last season having a capable backup, as we saw in 2018, is worth two games. Amie leaving or not, needed a better player back there.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Agree with this. If Tommy was really that banged up last season having a capable backup, as we saw in 2018, is worth two games. Amie leaving or not, needed a better player back there.

Why we need a transfer QB, for competition and having a capable backup

 

[SkyTopBus44]

That's nothing new, and without context really doesn't mean much.

I think it was Nunes (could be wrong on this) and Marrone not seeing eye to eye on the former player thing either. But the AD welcomes former athletes back in general with open arms.

Wildhack invited the late 90s big east championship teams to his house and special events throughout homecoming with FSU a few years back. I doubt this administration is making it challenging for alumni to connect.

 

[Bayside44]

Wildhack invitee the late 90s big east championship teams to his house and special events throughout homecoming with FSU a few years back. I doubt this administration is making it challenging for alumni to connect.

Agreed, went back with a buddy who lettered in a sport we no longer have and was treated great. Probably a protocol going through the AD's office first.

 

[721Comstock]

God is punishing us for wearing blue pants

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Nah. That’s a hoops punishment thing.

 

[syrBossHogg]

I'll also add injuries into that SoS mix. There are a certain amount of injuries we simply have to expect, given that its football and all. Now, 2020 was not a reasonable amount. And that's among the reasons why we flush the season. But if we're sitting at 2-7 next year, and we've lost, say, 1 starting OLmen and 1 backup to injuries, I don't want to read that as an excuse.

Of course that's why in another thread I said that I want us to land another QB via the portal. SU is always going to have major depth issues, it's just who we are as a program. But we gotta be able to withstand the usual amount that hit a program every year.

Agreed, last year is a good example of how you can't really use injuries as an excuse for not making a bowl game. This year the numbers were just too much to overcome especially with a very different offseason.

 

[TheCusian]

Agreed, last year is a good example of how you can't really use injuries as an excuse for not making a bowl game. This year the numbers were just too much to overcome especially with a very different offseason.

I think this is right. There's a tipping point somewhere in there.

 

[PhatOrange]

On O where is the talent? We have a good young RB. The young WRs have shown nothing yet. If that is still the case in December 2021, we are in trouble. Until otherwise proven, the OL is an issue (which it really has been all 5 years). But again they can step up this year, we will see. QB is a big question mark for next season and as of now, year 7. This can all change of course. But if it does not?

There needs to be some kind of indication next season that the O is heading in the right direction. If there is no indication, then year 7 would just be rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. Wildhack would be doing a huge disservice to the program in that case.

Everything is until otherwise proven. I get that. In light of how bad the offense was it's hard to say where the talent is. Wideouts for example weren't thrown the ball enough to really shine. So some of it is a wing and a prayer - Alford for example

I think Taj (58/733), Queeley (37/378), Benson, CJackson, Tucker (9 games 137/674), Jordan and Pena is a good base.

We'll see this coming year what we have in Alford, JaVonte Williams and Mahar, as well the new kids; Oronde Gadsden 6-4 190, Umari Hatcher 6-3 175, Kendall Long 6-3 215 and Landon Morris 6-6 205.

 

[PhatOrange]

Keep cherry picking stats to try and defend a complete failure, this is what gilbert did at USF when he was without quintin flowers, 28.5 (71st of 130). He was run out of USF a team in the AAC but we are oh so lucky to have him LOL!!!

Not cherry picking. You said he's been a failure everywhere he's been. Those are his OC stats the last 4 years as an OC so your claim is not remotely true. And as a HC he went 7-5. In fact Syracuse is only the 2nd time he's been a part of a losing staff. 1 year at Texas being the other when his team put up 500 ypg.

Re: Quentin Flowers - how many coaches put up GREAT numbers and 10+ wins with bad to mediocre players? Probably zero.

The whole run out of town thing?

Numbskull South Florida fans criticized him because they have an over inflated view of their program but the stats are the stats. You can interpret them any way you like.

From the Tampa Tribune when Gilbert took the HC job at McNeese St:

It played to mixed reviews in 2017 as USF finished sixth nationally in total offense (513.0 ypg) and eighth in rushing (264.1 ypg), though Gilbert frequently was criticized for under-utilizing QB Quinton Flowers.

This year, USF (7-5) ranks fifth in the American Athletic Conference in total offense (444.2 ypg) but has averaged 19.8 points during its skid, a stretch in which QB Blake Barnett (2,806 total yards) and TE Mitch Wilcox (40 receptions, 506 yards) haven't been totally healthy.

**6th nationally and USF fans criticized him? ok.
**2018 the O's two best players weren't totally healthy, the article admits it.
**We also don't know anything about the team that year. The defense allowed 450ypg and ranked #95 nationally.

If you don't like Gilbert that's fine. But the guy has had proven success, whether you like it or not. He definitely had some head scratchers this season (I've called them out) but he also called some good games and tried the best he could to make chicken salad out of chicken sht. Not easy to do.

 

[Chip]

Keep cherry picking stats to try and defend a complete failure, this is what gilbert did at USF when he was without quintin flowers, 28.5 (71st of 130). He was run out of USF a team in the AAC but we are oh so lucky to have him LOL!!!

I think you're the one cherry picking the stats, pointing to his worst of those years when he had lost a talented QB. Not every school is plug and play.

 

[MikeSU02]

What teams in P5 do you think Syracuse is comparable to in terms of attracting a coach, budgets, etc. Who are our peers?

Reason I ask is because our ability to get rid of Dino (let's assume we can just cut that check without a problem... which is likely not true, but for this exercise, let's table it) is directly related to who we can actually get to come here.

 

[Briancuse]

What teams in P5 do you think Syracuse is comparable to in terms of attracting a coach, budgets, etc. Who are our peers?

Reason I ask is because our ability to get rid of Dino (let's assume we can just cut that check without a problem... which is likely not true, but for this exercise, let's table it) is directly related to who we can actually get to come here.

Bc, Pitt, Nc State.

 

[721Comstock]

Bc, Pitt, Nc State.

And Wake.

 

[Briancuse]

And Wake.

Ya I almost put Wake, a little different, they are a much smaller private school, but I guess you could say they are kind of a peer.

 

[MikeSU02]

And Wake.

Those four make sense.

First, just want to say I'm a Dino fan and think he's going to get us where we need to go. But I'm just so worried about the budget implications and then about who we can get.

I understand we are P5 with a solid football tradition including a national title and the first African-American Heisman winner... I can go on and on.

I'm just worried that if Dino doesn't get it done, I really hope we can get a solid pool of candidates to choose from.

It's never just "what does Dino have to do to stay". It's "What does Dino have to do to stay reconciled against who we can actually get to come to Cuse".