All-ACC Football Team announced

[Cusefan0307]

You're right. But i didnt realize i needed to be so literal. Who's the better football player, Drew Brees or Cam Newton?

Also, Dungey shat the bed in three ACC games (FSU, Pitt, and UNC). He lost to Clemson (so does everyone). He was marginal against Wake. Look, I have him as a second team-er, but its ridiculous to think that reasonable minds can't feel differently. (that's not completely directed at you)

You overrate passing in college too much. Hard to argue he was marginal against Wake when he had nearly 300 total yards(rushing counts too) and completed 65% of his passes.

This is not the NFL. I get people prefer pocket passing, but 32 TD's vs whatever Finley did really isn't an argument.

 

[thedude]

...if he was in the game. Which he wasn't against NC, getting pulled for ineffectiveness and needing the backup to lead an improbable comeback at home against the second worst team in the conference.

This thread is embarrassing. So many here crying and whining about bias while wearing the orange goggles and chugging the orange kool aid. That's not to say that there isn't grounds for a legitimate debate about the placement of Finley, Lawrence, or Dungey. I think a credible case can be made for all three for any of the top three slots. But the vehemence about how Dungey was robbed is over the top. Maybe, just maybe, those not dyed in Orange see him a bit more objectively. They see a QB who could not finish games against FSU and UNC and threw away the Pitt game. How many first team QB's do you see in other conferences need to get pulled for the backup with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter because the offense stopped moving the ball?

Argue for Dungey all you want - like I said, I think there is a perfectly rational and credible case to be made that he should be first team. He had a fantastic season in many respects and put up great numbers. But spare me this whole routine of deciding that any contrary opinion is evidence of bias and nit picking the other QB's while ignoring the glaring weaknesses in Dungey. We should be better than that.

thanks for letting us know how we should conduct ourselves...you're the best.

 

[CuseCrew08]

The way I look at it, if you had to pick a QB to lead the most average ACC team to victory, who would you pick?

I looked it up and UNC is #8 in receiving yards this year and also #8 in rushing. If you had to pick one player to lead this years UNC team to victory, who would you pick?

I would have a tough time picking anyone but ED...

 

[qdawgg]

60% completion rate to start.

It was somewhat tongue in cheek. I know what stats aren't as "flashy" but using that word discounts the "flashy" stat (running yards) that matter and the "flashy" stat (total TD's) that matters the most in a game that determines the winner by who scores more points.

 

[kingtidge]

...if he was in the game. Which he wasn't against NC, getting pulled for ineffectiveness and needing the backup to lead an improbable comeback at home against the second worst team in the conference.

This thread is embarrassing. So many here crying and whining about bias while wearing the orange goggles and chugging the orange kool aid. That's not to say that there isn't grounds for a legitimate debate about the placement of Finley, Lawrence, or Dungey. I think a credible case can be made for all three for any of the top three slots. But the vehemence about how Dungey was robbed is over the top. Maybe, just maybe, those not dyed in Orange see him a bit more objectively. They see a QB who could not finish games against FSU and UNC and threw away the Pitt game. How many first team QB's do you see in other conferences need to get pulled for the backup with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter because the offense stopped moving the ball?

Argue for Dungey all you want - like I said, I think there is a perfectly rational and credible case to be made that he should be first team. He had a fantastic season in many respects and put up great numbers. But spare me this whole routine of deciding that any contrary opinion is evidence of bias and nit picking the other QB's while ignoring the glaring weaknesses in Dungey. We should be better than that.

I think you are missing the point entirely.

Making arguments for Finley or Lawrence over Dungey simply aren't very credible.

If Finley or Lawrence were close to the number of TD's Dungey put up... Within 2, 3 or 4, let's say... Ok, fair enough, make your argument...

But they weren't.

He bested one by a margin of 9 TD's and the other by double-digit TD's. That is not close - period.

Then add in the fact, that of the 3 teams, Dunge had the least talent to work with and there is really not much of a counter argument at all.

Embrassing?? Jeezus...

 

[gbo]

I think you are missing the point entirely.

Making arguments for Finley or Lawrence over Dungey simply aren't very credible.

If Finley or Lawrence were close to the number of TD's Dungey put up... Within 2, 3 or 4, let's say... Ok, fair enough, make your argument...

But they weren't.

He bested one by a margin of 9 TD's and the other by double-digit TD's. That is not close - period.

Then add in the fact, that of the 3 teams, he had the least talent to work with and there is really not much of a counter argument at all.

Embrassing?? Jeezus...

In Lawrence's defense, he split time for 4 games and was knocked out of another.

 

[kingtidge]

In Lawrence's defense, he split time for 4 games and was knocked out of another.

How is that a plus in his defense ??

He wins best QB in the conference pundits' poll but didn't even win the starting job for the entire season at Clemson...

 

[CuseGrad94]

not sure but if it isn't Dino, I may stab someone. is that too harsh?

Hoping you kept yourself away from all sharp objects? You saw this coming!!

 

[djorange1989]

Hoping you kept yourself away from all sharp objects? You saw this coming!!

I have...so far!

 

[gbo]

How is that a plus in his defense ??

He wins best QB in the conference pundits' poll but didn't even win the starting job for the entire season at Clemson...

I'm talking about the touchdown numbers. That's it.

 

[SigChiChef]

You're right. But i didnt realize i needed to be so literal. Who's the better football player, Drew Brees or Cam Newton?

Also, Dungey shat the bed in three ACC games (FSU, Pitt, and UNC). He lost to Clemson (so does everyone). He was marginal against Wake. Look, I have him as a second team-er, but its ridiculous to think that reasonable minds can't feel differently. (that's not completely directed at you)

Sorry man I was just a little ticked, all those points are true. But I still feel Dungey was best qb in ACC by quite a bit.

 

[SU in Hershey]

We need an ACC MVP award.
Then, I don't see how it could be anybody other than E.D. Looking at tangibles and intangibles, I don't believe you could look at any other player on any other team and say they were as indispensable to their team as E.D. was to SU.

I realize this is a pointless post...because there is no MVP. But, maybe there should be?

 

[SigChiChef]

You're right. But i didnt realize i needed to be so literal. Who's the better football player, Drew Brees or Cam Newton?

Also, Dungey shat the bed in three ACC games (FSU, Pitt, and UNC). He lost to Clemson (so does everyone). He was marginal against Wake. Look, I have him as a second team-er, but its ridiculous to think that reasonable minds can't feel differently. (that's not completely directed at you)

Drew Brees all day, he's a winner

 

[CousCuse]

Please. o please Pittsburgh beat Clemson in the ACC championship game. Tobacco road can go to hell.

 

[gbo]

Please. o please Pittsburgh beat Clemson in the ACC championship game. Tobacco road can go to hell.

You know Clemson isn't considered a tobacco road school right?

 

[CousCuse]

You know Clemson isn't considered a tobacco road school right?

They sure give you favored treatment. Close enough.

 

[gbo]

They sure give you favored treatment. Close enough.

In what instance?

 

[CousCuse]

In what instance?

People with privilege just never see how it makes everything easier for them.

 

[orange79]

In what instance?

 

[Trueblue25]

In what instance?

You’re now on your own

 

[TheCusian]

Voters were told for who they thought was the best quarterback. I'm assuming that's all of the criteria they were given. Therefore, the best QB could theoretically mean different things to different people. Quality, like these honors in general, are subjective.

The complaints of bias, though, are weak. People here are asking writers and coaches from across the conference, regardless of affiliation, to know Dungey's impact on the team as well as we do. They don't and can't be expected to.

I think that’s exactly what I mean when I refer to them being biased regionally. Most of the teams are southern, 4 are right next to each other.

They 100% should be expected to. It’s not even that hard - I follow ACC football and can tell you who the best players are at different positions.

If you don’t watch ACC games outside of the one you cover and you don’t know how to factor running the ball into your QB stats in 2018, you shouldn’t get a vote.

 

[gbo]

You're right. This is a losing battle. Nothing I can say will change perception so not worth the trouble.

 

[dasher]

In what instance?

I can give you one. And maybe you can correct me if this information is incorrect. This year we lost to Pitt after losing to you. It was back to back road games. They are tough. It was reported here that Clemson has not played back to back league road games, like every other ACC team is forced to do, since 2015. Is that true?

 

[gbo]

I can give you one. And maybe you can correct me if this information is incorrect. This year we lost to Pitt after losing to you. It was back to back road games. They are tough. It was reported here that Clemson has not played back to back league road games, like every other ACC team is forced to do, since 2015. Is that true?

I had to look it up but you are correct. I never thought of it but that is favorable treatment.

 

[RF2044]

I had to look it up but you are correct. I never thought of it but that is favorable treatment.

I don't mean this as a pile-on, as you've been gracious on our board for a long time, and in this thread.

But I'm curious to hear your thoughts about Dabo getting COY. I recognize that the universe doesn't revolve around SU sports, but we were picked to finish last in the conference, and finished second. Seems to me like that's a far more noteworthy accomplishment than being picked first with the top talent in the league, and achieving that goal.

Thoughts?