Any chance Kadary leaves?

[CuseFaninVT]

I love this kid. I think he's great. But as far as the NBA is concerned..two things concern me..
1. Outside shot..obviously..pretty much have to be able to shoot at the guard position now..few exceptions like Westbrook and Simmons, but they are all world athletes.

2. Seems a bit slow with the foot speed doesn't he? I think in college he can mask this with his size and high skill maneuvering...however at the next level? not so sure he'll be able to get by players with as much success.

If the Ball brothers can learn to shoot after they make the NBA, Kadary has no worries

 

[MikeSU02]

I love this kid. I think he's great. But as far as the NBA is concerned..two things concern me..
1. Outside shot..obviously..pretty much have to be able to shoot at the guard position now..few exceptions like Westbrook and Simmons, but they are all world athletes.

2. Seems a bit slow with the foot speed doesn't he? I think in college he can mask this with his size and high skill maneuvering...however at the next level? not so sure he'll be able to get by players with as much success.

I addressed outside shot in another comment, but Edwards, Wiseman and LaMelo went too three. None could shoot with an NBA stroke. The best stroke out of the three was actually Wiseman. NBA teams will believe they can fix shooting if you have other attributes.

He’s quick enough. He has long strides and a huge wingspan and incredible natural instincts.

6’5” with a 6’10” wingspan.

I think he’ll be fine. Kid can get on the floor for defense first and take it from there.

 

[Fat tire 13]

No chance this year.

He'll leave before Buddy and Joe however.

He needs another year at this level for his own good without question. But after next season the case for leaving will be as strong as one for coming back.

Best case scenario for both Kadary/Cuse is the MCW trajectory. Make a big leap in year two, and secure a first round pick in NBA. They are similar typed players. Now MCW played 35 mpg his Soph year, and there needs to be a path to get Kadary to at least 30 mpg. And 25 mpg this year...

 

[Newhouser]

We may be able to look at MCW and draw comparisons. His athleticism got him drafted high but his career has not quite matched his draft position because of his shooting. How does Kadary's athleticism compare? Is it, along with his other skills, good enough to make a team want to take a chance that his shooting will develop?

Take away Clay, Sabonis and SGA and I think MCW's career holds up pretty good to his 11th pick. Better comp for him than say Wes or Dion as compared to their pick peer group.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

He isnt slow at all. He plays very deliberately until he decides to blow by defenders. Kids got everything from a change up to fastball in his game. His handle is exceptional for 6'6 and hes ambidextrous.
He is the best talent we have had in a very long time. To not start him in beyond ridiculous.

Not start him ? He barely plays some games

 

[orangecuse]

Okay. Good luck to you in the future where ever you go. No one likes an ultimatum like that. From a kid that hasn't accomplished anything. Where does that stop after you bow to it? We have one coach. Period. And it isn't Kadary. My advice to you, try that in life. See how it works for you.

Indeed that no one likes an ultimatum. However, it can and does work "in life" at times depending on the most critical factor in any negotiation. That being, whom possesses the upper hand in regards to leverage.

 

[dasher]

Indeed that no one likes an ultimatum. However, it can and does work "in life" at times depending on the most critical factor in any negotiation. That being, whom possesses the upper hand in regards to leverage.

No coach worth their weight in salt would ever allow a player that kind of leverage. And certainly not the coach we have. And I would be 100% on his side on that one. What is next is the problem. Coach, we want to play only man. Coach, we want to run a lot more. While they are two things that I wouldn't mind, we have one Head coach at a time. I would wish Kadary well and move on. Of course, I would be starting Kadary so it wouldn't be in play. But you get what I mean.

 

[orangecuse]

No coach worth their weight in salt would ever allow a player that kind of leverage. And certainly not the coach we have. And I would be 100% on his side on that one. What is next is the problem. Coach, we want to play only man. Coach, we want to run a lot more. While they are two things that I wouldn't mind, we have one Head coach at a time. I would wish Kadary well and move on. Of course, I would be starting Kadary so it wouldn't be in play. But you get what I mean.

I agree with you in regards to "no coach worth their weight in salt" sentiment. I was referring to your universal/broader statement of advising, "try that in life and see where that gets you" type sentiment.

 

[dasher]

I agree in regards to "no coach." I was referring to your universal/broader statement of advising, "try that in life and see where that gets you" type sentiment.

What % of the time do you think that works? Also consider the long term. In the times that does work, it doesn't work ,long term because the person that used that leverage is usually not someone you want to work with and they end up confirming that. That sure has been my experience from up close and from far away.

 

[orangecuse]

What % of the time do you think that works?

Well, that's different from your initial statement's sentiment/context. Asking to quantify that now is a difficult, if not an impossible measurable to place tangibly. The crux of my initial response to your initial statement is that it can and does work at times "in life" depending upon one's leverage. That's all.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

No coach worth their weight in salt would ever allow a player that kind of leverage. And certainly not the coach we have. And I would be 100% on his side on that one. What is next is the problem. Coach, we want to play only man. Coach, we want to run a lot more. While they are two things that I wouldn't mind, we have one Head coach at a time. I would wish Kadary well and move on. Of course, I would be starting Kadary so it wouldn't be in play. But you get what I mean.

I'm having a really hard time following or agreeing with your side here. We've seen over the years that JB absolutely promises kids, if they come to SU, that they will start. We've even named it - the token starter syndrome. So yes, this coach does react to leverage when the kids have it - before they sign on the dotted line. I believe Kadary has that leverage more than most other players on the team this year.

Knowing how little time JB has left coaching, by his choice or not, I have no doubt that he wants to win everything he can. Kadary is absolutely in position to make that happen next year. If he asks the coach for this, and JB tells him good luck, the trajectory of our team's possibilities dips considerably, if Kadary leaves. Leverage only works when you exercise the other option. When you threaten to leave if you don't get a promotion, then you darned well be prepared to leave if the boss says no. I think Kadary has many options next year if hears no from JB.

All that being said, I doubt Kadary does it.

 

[dasher]

Well, that's different from your initial statement's sentiment/context. Asking to quantify that now is a difficult, if not an impossible measurable to place tangibly. The crux of my initial response to your initial statement is that it can and does work at times "in life" depending upon one's leverage. That's all.

I understand your point. My point and this is from both my life's experience and looking from afar, is that on the occasions it does work, and I never said that it didn't work sometimes. It never lasts. Because at some point, that person will make a demand that you just can't say yes to. That is from my life experience. Maybe you know of cases where it works out great. I don't

 

[UpstateSM]

Lol any coach with a spine would laugh in a kid’s face if he did that. That’s stupid

 

[Newhouser]

I'm having a really hard time following or agreeing with your side here. We've seen over the years that JB absolutely promises kids, if they come to SU, that they will start. We've even named it - the token starter syndrome. So yes, this coach does react to leverage when the kids have it - before they sign on the dotted line. I believe Kadary has that leverage more than most other players on the team this year.

Knowing how little time JB has left coaching, by his choice or not, I have no doubt that he wants to win everything he can. Kadary is absolutely in position to make that happen next year. If he asks the coach for this, and JB tells him good luck, the trajectory of our team's possibilities dips considerably, if Kadary leaves. Leverage only works when you exercise the other option. When you threaten to leave if you don't get a promotion, then you darned well be prepared to leave if the boss says no. I think Kadary has many options next year if hears no from JB.

All that being said, I doubt Kadary does it. I have no doubt that he wants to win everything he can

I have no doubt that he wants to win everything he can.

Sadly I think JB's subconscious has Buddy and his experience taking precedence over the big picture, which is winning. NOT saying JB doesn't want to win, but his priority is Buddy.

 

[Brooky03]

Buddy is shooting 27% from 3. JBs nose is longer than his vertical. His athleticism isnt on a chart. Rebounding is non existent. Opposition scores more from his side of the zone. He is a situational player. He should be playing 20 minutes max a game. Combined with Joe they are the least athletic guard combination in the ACC yet he plays more minutes per game than almost any player in the history of Syracuse basketball.

This is the hyperbole that I can’t stand.

 

[kcsu]

I understand your point. My point and this is from both my life's experience and looking from afar, is that on the occasions it does work, and I never said that it didn't work sometimes. It never lasts. Because at some point, that person will make a demand that you just can't say yes to. That is from my life experience. Maybe you know of cases where it works out great. I don't

I agree. The same with fear motivation. It isnt sustainable

 

[lindros2]

where did this thread left-turn from "will he leave" ?

 

[Tony DeFranco]

I have no doubt that he wants to win everything he can.

Sadly I think JB's subconscious has Buddy and his experience taking precedence over the big picture, which is winning. NOT saying JB doesn't want to win, but his priority is Buddy.

We need Buddy to play a lot of mins - we just don't need Girard to play that many