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Anyone who thinks Fran isn’t our guy needs to stop huffing keyboard duster and get back to reality

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The ND game was bad. This season was bad. It was doomed and lost after Angeli went out. There is no realistic option who will be able to get our program to primetime. Not now, probably not within the next 25 years.

Let him get coaching reps and just accept that this is a lost season. People are so quick to forget that we just came off a 10 win season. Because they’re huffing keybord duster.

Come back to reality and chill out. If anything this is the best time to offer Fran an extension and lock him up long term.
 
I believe Fran Brown is the guy, admittedly not as certain today as I was at the end of the Holiday bowl last season. But what will get me back to that level would be if he pulls the trigger and moves on from Erob. Fran was always going to have learning curves to hurdle going from position coach to head coach, and I’m confident he’ll learn, grow, and become a better coach from those. But show me you know when it’s time to move on from something/someone that is clearly not working. Even if it is your best friend.
 
I’d like to keep E-Rob on the staff for recruiting purposes but he can’t run the defense anymore. Special teams made a huge leap from last year after moving on from that guy (sans ND game) so hopefully Fran makes it happen. There’s no reason not to be great in all facets of the game.
 
I don’t know if Fran is or isn’t the guy but it’s interesting when people are so sure he is the guy. He seems good at recruiting higher rated players but he’s going to need to develop them. Who on this team is improving and got better as the season went on? Or is no one suppose to progress because our QB went down?

His one good season would have to have been ACC champs to offset how horribly embarrassing this season is.

I think we’ll have a better idea after this off season and next year if he’s the guy
 
If Fran keeps EROB at DC it will be a decision that is not based on performance. Not saying Fran can’t turn it around but his odds are much better with a new DC. At least Nixon can be successful throwing the football.

Fran has quickly gone to Dino status of he needs to be CEO and recruiter and surround himself with coaches first recruiters 2nd because Fran can’t coach, he had zero answers for anything this year other than to take blame and apologize
 
There are a lot of questions right now.

Dino had a 10 W season too and was getting us to a Bowl every year. Should he have stayed?

STs were a mess last year and to his credit they seem fixed this year. The passing game has been great but the running game has struggled. Does he bring in a run game coordinator? If there is an OC change you risk losing the good passing. And IMO it better not be Gattis. That would be a major red flag for me. The D has been an issue both seasons. We need a new DC. But will he pull the trigger?

For the most part we have started games poorly the last two years. Which makes it seem like we are poorly prepared. How do we fix that? Can't keep starting games down 10 points and expect 7+ Ws.

Bye weeks have not seemed kind. That should help us not hinder us. Will we be prone to What games? Was Stanford a lesson or a sign?

Can Fran recruit? By that I mean build a complete roster.

QB2 seems to have been an after thought last year and this year. We have only had one season since 2012 where we didn't need a QB2. Our front 7 recruiting has been poor thus far IMO. There is not much there. Even with a new DC we will struggle due to talent. For the OL it is too early to tell on the HS kids. The portal guys have seemed decent. I think we need another big RB.

It is great that he can pull in 4 star WRs and DBs. But you need a lot more than that to win games. It was crazy that we had a HS class of 30 with half of those commits being WRs and DBs. Especially since those are areas where we had depth and talent already. At least he seems to be pivoting now on some of these kids.

Fran has a ton of potential but no one knows either way how this will play out. We cannot afford to extend anyone beyond what we can buyout. If we can only afford 1-2 years then no HC (even Saban) should have more than 3 years left on a contract beyond their initial contract. You can reward success with salary increases but adding years that we cannot afford to get out of is bad for the program. And no amount of money will keep a HC from being poached. You only help the HC and hurt yourself.
 
You can’t extend him. What he did this year deserves a raise? Cmon.

Wildhack has a fiduciary duty to be sane. I just wonder what the delta is btw hc salary at Syracuse and a LSU or
Georgia asst hc position?

I suspect if this doesn’t work out Fran heads back to a blue blood to do what he does best
 
I have been fortunate to have spent time with Fran the staff and the kids. What i know for sure is that Fran and the entire football organization is committed to excellence, committed to the well-being of the kids. Fran is as real and genuine as you will ever find. He has dedicated himself to helping these kids and their families. The support staff of the football program is fantastic. To a person they are hardworking, kind, and they have the kids' best interest at heart. I believe that within two years Fran will have this program at a place it hasn't been in modern times. A program that is built to last with a culture to match. The wheels came off this season when Steve went down and Collins failed. Its as simple as that. Everything else is secondary and a result of those two events. I have posted that i believe that Fran is going to do much more in life than be a football coach and i stand by that. He is a very good individual. A great husband, father and friend. He is fiercly loyal maybe to a fault with those that he loves like Erob but if that is his worst trait ill give him a pass. Fran connects with our core recruiting base. I wish you could see him with recruits and their families.
These famalies be it Mom and Dad or grandparents who are raising our future players all connect with Fran. He knows their lives knows their struggles and they trust him.
Fran has much to learn as a coach and I believe he will as he puts in the work and is hardest on himself.
I think he is a class act and I'm glad that he is leading our program and our young men. He has made me proud to be associated with Syracuse football again. I'm all in with him.
 
kcsu said:
I have been fortunate to have spent time with Fran the staff and the kids. What i know for sure is that Fran and the entire football organization is committed to excellence, committed to the well-being of the kids. Fran is as real and genuine as you will ever find. He has dedicated himself to helping these kids and their families. The support staff of the football program is fantastic. To a person they are hardworking, kind, and they have the kids' best interest at heart. I believe that within two years Fran will have this program at a place it hasn't been in modern times. A program that is built to last with a culture to match. The wheels came off this season when Steve went down and Collins failed. Its as simple as that. Everything else is secondary and a result of those two events. I have posted that i believe that Fran is going to do much more in life than be a football coach and i stand by that. He is a very good individual. A great husband, father and friend. He is fiercly loyal maybe to a fault with those that he loves like Erob but if that is his worst trait ill give him a pass. Fran connects with our core recruiting base. I wish you could see him with recruits and their families.
These famalies be it Mom and Dad or grandparents who are raising our future players all connect with Fran. He knows their lives knows their struggles and they trust him.
Fran has much to learn as a coach and I believe he will as he puts in the work and is hardest on himself.
I think he is a class act and I'm glad that he is leading our program and our young men. He has made me proud to be associated with Syracuse football again. I'm all in with him.
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Well said. Clearly, there is self-evaluation and re-thinking to be done across all aspects of the program. I'm sure he knows that as well. I'm all in.
 
kcsu said:
I have been fortunate to have spent time with Fran the staff and the kids. What i know for sure is that Fran and the entire football organization is committed to excellence, committed to the well-being of the kids. Fran is as real and genuine as you will ever find. He has dedicated himself to helping these kids and their families. The support staff of the football program is fantastic. To a person they are hardworking, kind, and they have the kids' best interest at heart. I believe that within two years Fran will have this program at a place it hasn't been in modern times. A program that is built to last with a culture to match. The wheels came off this season when Steve went down and Collins failed. Its as simple as that. Everything else is secondary and a result of those two events. I have posted that i believe that Fran is going to do much more in life than be a football coach and i stand by that. He is a very good individual. A great husband, father and friend. He is fiercly loyal maybe to a fault with those that he loves like Erob but if that is his worst trait ill give him a pass. Fran connects with our core recruiting base. I wish you could see him with recruits and their families.
These famalies be it Mom and Dad or grandparents who are raising our future players all connect with Fran. He knows their lives knows their struggles and they trust him.
Fran has much to learn as a coach and I believe he will as he puts in the work and is hardest on himself.
I think he is a class act and I'm glad that he is leading our program and our young men. He has made me proud to be associated with Syracuse football again. I'm all in with him.
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There's a lot to like about Fran and I like and respect many of the things you mention. But I think you fall in love with personalities too easily and it clouds your judgement, like you did with Dino. This year's collapse and the ND embarrassment went way beyond losing a QB.

And you can't give him a pass on his loyalty being his worst trait if it's going to result in another year of the defense killing us. Part of being a leader is making tough decisions, sometimes with people you really like and care about.
 
MSOrange said:
There's a lot to like about Fran and I like and respect many of the things you mention. But I think you fall in love with personalities too easily and it clouds your judgement, like you did with Dino. This year's collapse and the ND embarrassment went way beyond losing a QB.

And you can't give him a pass on his loyalty being his worst trait if it's going to result in another year of the defense killing us. Part of being a leader is making tough decisions, sometimes with people you really like and care about.
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Well put and I do own that.
 
Look around the country at teams in the top 50-60. How many of them have QB issues? Why should SU be any different. Texas had the GOAT and they struggled, because he wasn't really ready. Miami spent a boat load on the transfer, and he has been avg.

Team like TT , who lost the one game because the backup was in
Neb, Mizzu, lsu, FSU all had issues getting the QB right.

Teams with 2 solid QBs are far between and usually its because they have a talent pool at many spots that they survive.
 
The problem is my mind is the staff thinking they had a backup plan. They did not and that’s coaching malpractice. Crap happens, I get it. But not having someone serviceable after all the qb competition nonsense they were trying to stuff down our throats is unacceptable.

Fran is still the guy. He’s learning. I think this will be a tremendous learning experience for him.
 
MSOrange said:
There's a lot to like about Fran and I like and respect many of the things you mention. But I think you fall in love with personalities too easily and it clouds your judgement, like you did with Dino. This year's collapse and the ND embarrassment went way beyond losing a QB.

And you can't give him a pass on his loyalty being his worst trait if it's going to result in another year of the defense killing us. Part of being a leader is making tough decisions, sometimes with people you really like and care about.
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at the end of day it really doesn't matter who we like and who we don't as a coach, they win they keep their job, they lose they don't. Fans like winners obviously. I'd rather have a head coach that I know can coach one side of the ball and focus $ on the other side, even if they don't call the plays there is influence and that is their side of the ball

Not sure Fran can recruit well enough too offset some real weaknesses on his coaching staff he has including himself. Fran is a bit of a laughing stock right now as well which isn't a great look He was brash and bit cocky as many of the great coaches are when winning last year and is now taking some lumps through out the college football world as the blowout losses continue to pile on. The ND game was an all timer. zero justification, total failure by the head coach. Amazing what 8 weeks can do but it goes with the territory. And this isn't just about Angeli and missing on Collins anymore. It's about Fran losing in increasingly horrific fashion on a weekly basis

Next year is big for Fran but if he doesn't shake up the staff he's looking at more of the same.
 
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BrooklynCuse said:
I don’t know if Fran is or isn’t the guy but it’s interesting when people are so sure he is the guy. He seems good at recruiting higher rated players but he’s going to need to develop them. Who on this team is improving and got better as the season went on? Or is no one suppose to progress because our QB went down?

His one good season would have to have been ACC champs to offset how horribly embarrassing this season is.

I think we’ll have a better idea after this off season and next year if he’s the guy
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Ok I'll bite, here are a few reasons to be confident Fran is more likely to be the guy than not.

13-4 in his first 17 games with his starting QB, including a win against top 10 Miami and @ Death Valley (2 diff QBs)


Several Players had step function increases in productivity under Fran than before Fran

1. Kyle McCord went from Decent/Good to the ALL TIME ACC LEADER

2. Trebor Pena went from 4 years of nothing to Elite (Million dollar NIL) back to mid under PSU

3. Fadil Diggs doubled his all time sack total while increasing his TFL to 14 (6th in ACC)

4. J Meeks went from 4 year bench rider to top of the ACC and NFL player

5. LQA doubled his touchdowns from 10 to 20 while increasing YPC and recieving yards, getting him NFL pay a year early

6. Darrell Gil went from 0 playing time to leading the entire ACC in yards per catch w/ 570 total yards (and continued that production under Angeli)

7. Steve Angeli went from 4 years of bench to leading the ACC in passing, with only a summer to prep

8. Chris Peal went from 2 years of bench to a leading ACC CB (ranked 18 out of 267 P4 corners)


I won't give him credit for Cinco, Barron or Wax but I am not sure many people had them on NFL rosters but they all made it

Add in the best recruiting class in 30 years including the highest rated recruit ever with a median (or worse) NIL budget (not even including bringing in 2 of the best QBs we have had since McNabb)

BTW this median or worse NIL is single handedly getting more competitive because of Frans efforts
 
Eric15 said:
That is 100% the coaching staff's fault. Does it mean they should be fired? No. But it's still their fault. It's their job to evaluate and develop talent and develop contingencies.
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And if it was just a regular whiff, the kid wasn’t as good as they thought, but you scheme around it and are at least competitive, I could live with it. But the 3 guys behind Angeli that were brought in are literally unplayable. Rickie looks like a low tier FCS quarterback at best, and while Joe/Luke are freshman one looks like he’s the size of a JV player at CNS and the other they refuse to let throw the football. It’s not un heard of for a freshman to come in and run an offense at a functional level.
 
upperdeck said:
Look around the country at teams in the top 50-60. How many of them have QB issues? Why should SU be any different. Texas had the GOAT and they struggled, because he wasn't really ready. Miami spent a boat load on the transfer, and he has been avg.

Team like TT , who lost the one game because the backup was in
Neb, Mizzu, lsu, FSU all had issues getting the QB right.

Teams with 2 solid QBs are far between and usually its because they have a talent pool at many spots that they survive.
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Outside of Clemson we have been bad this year. Even with Clemson we are currently one spot away from being the 2nd worst P4 team. Since Angeli was hurt I would bet that we aren't even Top 125. Ending the year 75th because your QB went down is understandable. Ending 100th is not.
 
Next year will be critical. Coming off 4-8 or 3-9 and the quarterback fiasco, a recruiting class that’s very good for SU (but still likely middling for the ACC) and matched up a likely late October-November schedule that Dino couldn’t win against.
A contract extension at this point would be criminal negligence.
 
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Yes, this year’s team has struggled and yet I believe that Fran, is our man and will upgrade the program to what it was like when we were per annually a top tier program…​

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rocklloyd said:
The problem is my mind is the staff thinking they had a backup plan. They did not and that’s coaching malpractice. Crap happens, I get it. But not having someone serviceable after all the qb competition nonsense they were trying to stuff down our throats is unacceptable.

Fran is still the guy. He’s learning. I think this will be a tremendous learning experience for him.
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I do believe he doesn’t make this mistake again. Hard hard lesson.
 

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