Are there any Pro-Shafer's left?

[JoeSU]

I have no problem hiring a HC who uses us as a stepping stone. That would mean we had returned to P5 relevance, and would make it much easier to recruit and hire the next coach. Given the current state of our program, can we afford to be that picky?
Besides, everyone thought we had found a long-term coach in Marrone, and we know how that turned out.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

If we are going to do what we always do, and that is, go bargain hunting for a middling coach from Akron, then I say keep Shafer and let him try to get one more year to develop his young players. I'm sick of or purported "upgrades" being nothing more than shuffling the chairs on a sinking program.

If we are going to suck it up and for once spend what it takes to bring in a legitimate ACC caliber coach, one whose goal is to build a program that can ultimately compete for an ACC championship, then I say lets make that move.

Because we are not going to to that, I really don't see how it matters who coaches next year.

Signed,

A Frustrated Fan

 

[Alsacs]

You're incorrect. 3* by all major recruiting services, 2* by ESPN.

http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205238133
I guess you don't consider 24-7 a major recruiting service when it doesn't fit your argument.

 

[TheCusian]

http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205238133
I guess you don't consider 24-7 a major recruiting service when it doesn't fit your argument.

Sigh.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Sigh.

I think that's the composite (ie all recruiting services, not just 2 4 7)...to be fair.

 

[Alsacs]

Sigh.

See that 91 4 stars filled unless you can't see that it clearly shows 24-7 gave him 4 stars.

If anybody needs a sigh it's me responding to you.

 

[HOFCeluck]

So rivalz said three stars, ESPN two, and 2 4 7 four.

Definatly can draw conclusions from that info.

 

[GoSU96]

If we are going to do what we always do, and that is, go bargain hunting for a middling coach from Akron, then I say keep Shafer and let him try to get one more year to develop his young players. I'm sick of or purported "upgrades" being nothing more than shuffling the chairs on a sinking program.

If we are going to suck it up and for once spend what it takes to bring in a legitimate ACC caliber coach, one whose goal is to build a program that can ultimately compete for an ACC championship, then I say lets make that move.

Because we are not going to to that, I really don't see how it matters who coaches next year.

Signed,

A Frustrated Fan

When has this school ever hired a "middling coach from Akron"?

Where does this stuff come from?

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Just interested if there is anybody left in his corner? Not sure if this would work better being an anonymous poll or not, but all the 1 more year for Shafer's please stand up.

I'm not interested in the i'm ok either way crowd. I want to know if there are anymore 100% Shafer is the answer people?

Yes, I'm still in his corner.

If you tell me that we are going to get rid of Shafer and ante up to bring in guy who has had consistent success at the P5 level, I'd say, "Go for it".

But, if you are going to bring in yet another coordinator, hope that he can get it done at the P5 level and have to wait another 3 years to have a clue as to whether he'll be successful or not, then I say give Shafer one more year with a (hopefully) healthy, more experienced team.

The relentless tide of negative posts about Shafer on this board has no impact on me. The cumulative football IQ of most of the posters on this board could fit on the head of a pin.

Let's use the "Fire Shafer"'s most relentless proponent as an example: Orangenirvana.

In 2011 he was telling the board that we should fire Hackett, that Marrone couldn't coach and that we needed an upgrade at quarterback and that we'd never win with Nassib as our QB.

Fast forward to 2013 and, all of a sudden, Marrone is a "great head coach".

Really?

So, in 2015, all of a sudden I'm supposed to believe that this poster knows what he's talking about?

Gimme a break.

Quantity <> Quality...

 

[Crusty]

Yes, I'm still in his corner.

If you tell me that we are going to get rid of Shafer and ante up to bring in guy who has had consistent success at the P5 level, I'd say, "Go for it".

But, if you are going to bring in yet another coordinator, hope that he can get it done at the P5 level and have to wait another 3 years to have a clue as to whether he'll be successful or not, then I say give Shafer one more year with a (hopefully) healthy, more experienced team.

The relentless tide of negative posts about Shafer on this board has no impact on me. The cumulative football IQ of most of the posters on this board could fit on the head of a pin.

Let's use the "Fire Shafer"'s most relentless proponent as an example: Orangenirvana.

In 2011 he was telling the board that we should fire Hackett, that Marrone couldn't coach and that we needed an upgrade at quarterback and that we'd never win with Nassib as our QB.

Fast forward to 2013 and, all of a sudden, Marrone is a "great head coach".

Really?

So, in 2015, all of a sudden I'm supposed to believe that this poster knows what he's talking about?

Gimme a break.

Quantity <> Quality...

Wish I had a friend as loyal as you.

 

[OrangeDW]

If we are going to do what we always do, and that is, go bargain hunting for a middling coach from Akron, then I say keep Shafer and let him try to get one more year to develop his young players. I'm sick of or purported "upgrades" being nothing more than shuffling the chairs on a sinking program.

If we are going to suck it up and for once spend what it takes to bring in a legitimate ACC caliber coach, one whose goal is to build a program that can ultimately compete for an ACC championship, then I say lets make that move.

Because we are not going to to that, I really don't see how it matters who coaches next year.

Signed,

A Frustrated Fan

When have we gotten a middling coach from Akron? Robinson was an NFL defensive coordinator and then at Texas for 1 year, Marrone was an NFL offensive coordinator, and Shafer was keeping it in house and promoting our own defensive coordinator(a job he was pretty good at).

 

[HOFCeluck]

Yes, I'm still in his corner.

If you tell me that we are going to get rid of Shafer and ante up to bring in guy who has had consistent success at the P5 level, I'd say, "Go for it".

But, if you are going to bring in yet another coordinator, hope that he can get it done at the P5 level and have to wait another 3 years to have a clue as to whether he'll be successful or not, then I say give Shafer one more year with a (hopefully) healthy, more experienced team.

The relentless tide of negative posts about Shafer on this board has no impact on me. The cumulative football IQ of most of the posters on this board could fit on the head of a pin.

Let's use the "Fire Shafer"'s most relentless proponent as an example: Orangenirvana.

In 2011 he was telling the board that we should fire Hackett, that Marrone couldn't coach and that we needed an upgrade at quarterback and that we'd never win with Nassib as our QB.

Fast forward to 2013 and, all of a sudden, Marrone is a "great head coach".

Really?

So, in 2015, all of a sudden I'm supposed to believe that this poster knows what he's talking about?

Gimme a break.

Quantity <> Quality...

I guess at this point I don't know what you guys see in him.

He hasn't shown that he can make good decisions at this level. He hasn't even shown that he can LEARN how to coach at this level...given he made the same mistakes vs Pitt and FSU in consecutive weeks.

So he's upgrading the talent...and then what? What's his ceiling? Six, maybe seven wins?

He's a great guy, and I feel for him. But I don't think it's hard to see past the injury/youth excuses to see what kind of HC he is.

And FTR I was firmly in his corner until the FSU game.

eta... You can't just keep him for another year. It's extend him or fire.

 

[OrangeDW]

I guess at this point I don't know what you guys see in him.

He hasn't shown that he can make good decisions at this level. He hasn't even shown that he can LEARN how to coach at this level...given he made the same mistakes vs Pitt and FSU in consecutive weeks.

So he's upgrading the talent...and then what? What's his ceiling? Six, maybe seven wins?

He's a great guy, and I feel for him. But I don't think it's hard to see past the injury/youth excuses to see what kind of HC he is.

And FTR I was firmly in his corner until the FSU game.

eta... You can't just keep him for another year. It's extend him or fire.

Agree with all of this word for word, except I lost faith a little before you did as Pitt was it for me. He clearly doesn't have "it" when it comes to making decisions during games. Some guys don't. He's a good DC and he clearly brought in some nice young players on offense. But I agree, I don't see him being the guy to lead us to an overachieving 8-9 win season(sadly I can't even bring myself to best-case scenario dream of 10 anymore) even when those guys peak. A better coach wins the UVA and Pitt games this year...and to win 8 or 9 in a season, we need to win ALL the UVA/Pitt level games and pull an upset or 2 against better teams(something we haven't done once since he's been head coach).

 

[Millhouse]

It is such a shame. This could've worked out for him if he were more open to people outside of WMU and to math. The guy cares, he can run a program, he just blew it on offensethe whole time and picked a horrible time to have a disastrous defense

I hope he learns, gets some time to really reflect, change, and have great success

 

[RICuse44]

It is such a shame. This could've worked out for him if he were more open to people outside of WMU and to math. The guy cares, he can run a program, he just blew it on offensethe whole time and picked a horrible time to have a disastrous defense

I hope he learns, gets some time to really reflect, change, and have great success

And doesn't hire only his friends. Hiring your friends is great if things work out. When things don't it makes it that much more difficult

 

[TheCusian]

See that 91 4 stars filled unless you can't see that it clearly shows 24-7 gave him 4 stars. If anybody needs a sigh it's me responding to you.

You win. He's a 4* in one of the 3. A 3* in two others. And a 2* in ESPN.

Regardless of that minute point - my point stands. He wasn't considered an elite prospect. He became that in a highly regarded, highly productive offensive system.

 

[GHLF]

Yes, I'm still in his corner.

If you tell me that we are going to get rid of Shafer and ante up to bring in guy who has had consistent success at the P5 level, I'd say, "Go for it".

But, if you are going to bring in yet another coordinator, hope that he can get it done at the P5 level and have to wait another 3 years to have a clue as to whether he'll be successful or not, then I say give Shafer one more year with a (hopefully) healthy, more experienced team.

The relentless tide of negative posts about Shafer on this board has no impact on me. The cumulative football IQ of most of the posters on this board could fit on the head of a pin.

Let's use the "Fire Shafer"'s most relentless proponent as an example: Orangenirvana.

In 2011 he was telling the board that we should fire Hackett, that Marrone couldn't coach and that we needed an upgrade at quarterback and that we'd never win with Nassib as our QB.

Fast forward to 2013 and, all of a sudden, Marrone is a "great head coach".

Really?

So, in 2015, all of a sudden I'm supposed to believe that this poster knows what he's talking about?

Gimme a break.

Oh my goodness, what an awesome post. Most of them as I said I believe are noisy wheels looking for a little grease and have no clue. People do not know what they are actually trying to do behind the scenes to make this a successful program. Coach Shafer was as is just a part of it. We rode the Dome sure, however that is how depth was created, a mindset, development of STUDENT athletes, character, betterment of the individual with a team first approach. How about character, cannot say for sure, marrone left with 90% of his staff. Minimal depth except for upperclassmen. Right. Is that not right? A team absolutely decimated by injuries whewre their original plan was to create a legit 2 deep. Then it crumbles, we have minimal reserves with experience, we gut it out because the coaches are actually beginning to recruit to their system with some success and then we fire them. That is so completely whacked. That is however where we live in society. Bless you coach shafer. Imagine if the AD realized this and came out and spoke about it.

Quantity <> Quality...

 

[Scooch]

Perhaps if Shafer didn't hire a dummy as his OC, then hadn't had to fire said dummy 16 games into his tenure, and then hadn't decided to hire an OC with a completely different system that required different kinds of athletes... Nahhh. That was beyond his control. Oy vey.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

But, if you are going to bring in yet another coordinator, hope that he can get it done at the P5 level and have to wait another 3 years to have a clue as to whether he'll be successful or not.

I don't understand the fixation on "3 years." This has become a thing.

We're going to know some things right away. We'll know more after the first season. In fact, we'll probably have a pretty good idea of the long term potential. People keep setting up these arbitrary time frames.

We're going to know pretty quickly if we have someone new if a) they're mostly smart and b) can learn to be better at the things they're not smart at.

 

[Scooch]

It's awesome that those who aren't happy with continuing with a guy who's gone 6-17 are now representative of the decay of modern American society though.

 

[Scooch]

I don't understand the fixation on "3 years." This has become a thing. We're going to know some things right away. We'll know more after the first season. In fact, we'll probably have a pretty good idea of the long term potential. People keep setting up these arbitrary time frames. We're going to know pretty quickly if we have someone new if a) they're mostly smart and b) can learn to be better at the things they're not smart at.

I think it was during Penn State of Marrone's first year that I became very confident that the guy was competent. That was game two, right?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Perhaps if Shafer didn't hire a dummy as his OC, then hadn't had to fire said dummy 16 games into his tenure, and then hadn't decided to hire an OC with a completely different system that required different kinds of athletes... Nahhh. That was beyond his control. Oy vey.

Here's something I'm wondering -

So last season, Lester had to roll with McDonald's offense, because you can't change offense mid-season. This was given as a reason to excuse, along with the injuries, how bad the offense was.

This offseason, he geared the offense to the player's strengths. Considering Hunt was expected to be the starting QB, I take it to mean the offense was really designed for Hunt.

At this point we're an option offense. Which is interesting, because it seems to me that one of either of these statements must be true: the staff expected to run the option with Hunt, or the staff changed the offense mid-season.

But... you can't change an offense mid-season. And they wouldn't want Hunt coming off an injury running the ball much, right?

 

[CuseOnly]

What did you ever "know" about all home games being moved? It was always heresay.

Yes, because all the folks at the bottom hawking tickets are privy to the decisions made at the top when they are for hundreds of millions of dollars. They are telling you what you want to hear is all.

 

[CuseOnly]

Well I mean, who doesn't?

But no...obviously things can change. But there's a clear frontrunner, and it's not Babers.

Out with it Jek, in the words of Ditka and Chris Carter "C'Mon MAN!!"

 

[Chris02M]

Out with it Jek, in the words of Ditka and Chris Carter "C'Mon MAN!!"

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