JeffCuse
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But this doesnt fit the narrative that is coming from the topEveryone has injuries and opt outs.
But this doesnt fit the narrative that is coming from the topEveryone has injuries and opt outs.
I am with you. No value or anything to this question or thread. I just wasted 60 seconds of my life looking at this. This thread...Why are you asking? Do you want the answer to be yes? And what is it is? Do we take our ball and go home?
Would have been 20 had you decided not to post this #JustSayinI am with you. No value or anything to this question or thread. I just wasted 60 seconds of my life looking at this. This thread...
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Part of our problem has been before we joined the ACC we overscheduled in the nonconference.
It makes sense to schedule strong nonconference games.
Hell in 2009 Marrone’s first year we played 3 Big Ten games in the nonconference.
Minnesota/Penn State/Northwestern all in one year.
We were coming off GRob and were rebuilding. We didn’t need to do that.
That chit hurt the program.
We are finally spending the money to be more competitive in football.
Dino has lost a lot of good will.
The school has done a lot to accommodate him and the product on the field this year is poor because of coaching more than anything.
The players are playing hard they aren’t getting help.
The coaching staff needs to do a better job.
Everyone has injuries and opt outs.
Year Wins Losses Coach Bowl 2000 6 5Pasqualoni 2001 10 3Pasqualoni Insight.com-w 2002 4 8Pasqualoni 2003 6 6Pasqualoni 2004 6 6Pasqualoni Champs-l 2005 1 10Gerg 2006 4 8Gerg 2007 2 10Gerg 2008 3 9Gerg 2009 4 8Marrone 2010 8 5Marrone Pinstripe-w 2011 5 7Marrone 2012 8 5Marrone Pinstripe-w 2013 7 6Shafer Texas-w 2014 3 9Shafer 2015 4 8Shafer 2016 4 8Babers 2017 4 8Babers 2018 10 3Babers Camping World-w 2019 5 7Babers 2020Babers Wins Losses Total 104 139Average Record 5 7Pasqualoni* 32 28101-59-1 total record for P Gerg 10 37Marrone 25 25Shafer 14 23Babers 23 26
Part of our problem has been before we joined the ACC we overscheduled in the nonconference.
It makes sense to schedule strong nonconference games.
Hell in 2009 Marrone’s first year we played 3 Big Ten games in the nonconference.
Minnesota/Penn State/Northwestern all in one year.
We were coming off GRob and were rebuilding. We didn’t need to do that.
That chit hurt the program.
We are finally spending the money to be more competitive in football.
Dino has lost a lot of good will.
The school has done a lot to accommodate him and the product on the field this year is poor because of coaching more than anything.
The players are playing hard they aren’t getting help.
The coaching staff needs to do a better job.
Winning brings fans.This is a more meaningful conversation, to me anyway.
Part of the problem at SU, is that the fanbase not only wants a winner, but they want interesting opponents. That's always been the case. Ticket sales and concession money are real, and necessary.
When we were in that watered down Big East, it was a tough spot to get consistent crowd sizes. So they tried the approach of bigger names. Some very big (ND, Penn State, USC), some that were somewhat bigger but hopefully beatable (Northwestern, Minnesota, Mizzou). I mean, 2012 alone was Northwestern, Minny, Mizzou, USC.
Wildhack has certainly downshifted in the world of ACC games. But it's not a perfect science. Liberty seemed perfect for FBS wins. But hired Hugh Freeze and are way ahead of schedule. Rutgers brought back Schiano and yeah, they're 1-4 but if you can't see a difference, come on. Their games were over before they started last year. Our game next year will be a big fat circle on their schedule. Even Western Michigan, with Lester, is putting up huge offensive numbers.
You play unexciting teams, you don't get fans or ticket sales, but now they're actually playing better than the team you thought you scheduled. It's lose-lose.
I don't even know the best answer anymore. Maybe you take a chance with big name teams who are struggling to get to back to their glory days. Like a Nebraska or a Tennessee or Michigan State. You can get a good TV spot, gets fans in the Dome, maybe even win the game. Not the 2019 or 2020 version of Syracuse of course.
My take, and its an unpopular opinion absolutely positively ripe for flaming by the majority here, is that Syracuse fans, as a whole, get more angry at those who call out our ineptitude than we do at those who are responsible for it. The defeatism amongst this fan base is incredible.
We make excuses more than any other fan base in college football. "can't recruit in Syracuse...northern city no one wants to travel to". Boise State says hi. (yeah I know I am inviting a dozen excuse makers ready to explain ad nauseum why Idaho is so much more attractive then CNY...whatever, comes with the territory)...And then we call out anyone who doesn't take on that approach. Yes. My thread here is the problem. Not the fact that we still cant recruit for crap and didnt even get an uptick at all after Dino's amazing sportcenter ready speeches and a 10 win season. Not the fact that our playcalling is a joke. My thread. The fact that I can't just whistle away a 30 point embarrassment to the same COVID that has hit every other program. That is the real thing we need to be concerned with here.
OK, let the excuse making resume.
I don't even know the best answer anymore. Maybe you take a chance with big name teams who are struggling to get to back to their glory days. Like a Nebraska or a Tennessee or Michigan State. You can get a good TV spot, gets fans in the Dome, maybe even win the game. Not the 2019 or 2020 version of Syracuse of course.
We need a P5 game for 2024, then we're booked until 2027.
Care to guess who'll be struggling then?
Kansas, Oregon State, Rutgers, Illinois, Arizona, Vanderbilt,We need a P5 game for 2024, then we're booked until 2027.
Care to guess who'll be struggling then?
Winning brings fans.
If we had talent and were like a USC I get the excuse the fans need brand name games.
Stupidly this fanbase didn’t get we were never a talent powerhouse.
So winning games consistently should have been the goal.
I give Wildhack and Babers credit for knowing what we need schedule wise.
If a blue blood comes calling like LSU okay schedule the series but make sure we got 3 other winnable games that year.
We have to play 1 P5 nonconference game but it should be on level with the program.
Not Wisconsin but Purdue like we scheduled.
Not Oklahoma but West Virginia.
Not Ohio State but Rutgers.
Looking at our nonconference schedules from the 2000s we over scheduled.
Want no part of Tennessee their program isn’t far off.Nebraska and Tennessee. Their problems are systemic. Their fans don't get it.
As good a bet as anyone.
If they're good, and we lose well... We've lost at home to Middle Tennessee State and Liberty in the Dino era. I'm sure we'll all get over it.
My take, and its an unpopular opinion absolutely positively ripe for flaming by the majority here, is that Syracuse fans, as a whole, get more angry at those who call out our ineptitude than we do at those who are responsible for it. The defeatism amongst this fan base is incredible.
We make excuses more than any other fan base in college football. "can't recruit in Syracuse...northern city no one wants to travel to". Boise State says hi. (yeah I know I am inviting a dozen excuse makers ready to explain ad nauseum why Idaho is so much more attractive then CNY...whatever, comes with the territory)...And then we call out anyone who doesn't take on that approach. Yes. My thread here is the problem. Not the fact that we still cant recruit for crap and didnt even get an uptick at all after Dino's amazing sportcenter ready speeches and a 10 win season. Not the fact that our playcalling is a joke. My thread. The fact that I can't just whistle away a 30 point embarrassment to the same COVID that has hit every other program. That is the real thing we need to be concerned with here.
OK, let the excuse making resume.
This chart also seriously undersells Pasqualoni, since by starting at 2000 it cuts out most of his best years.This shows me that with the right leadership this program can be at a minimum competitive, and that bad decisions and management by the AD dept can crater the performance of the program.
P, Marrone, Babers (putting aside this years disaster) 80-79, the other guys 24-60.
When you have a coach in place that has proven he can do it, support that coach, don't cut and run and think change for change sake is going to lead to better results.
Stablity and resources, dispassionate assessment, not chasing results, is the way to go.
In recent years you are absolutely correct. Pitt hasn't had *worse* than a 5 win season since 1998. 22 years. Granted, they haven't had many highs, but they have made 16 bowls since that nadir.
Meanwhile, BC has had three sub-5 win seasons since 1998 (2011, 2012, 2015). They've made 17 bowls since then. Not many highs since O'Brien left in '07, but a slew of 7 win bowl seasons.
SU? Since 1998? NINE sub-five win seasons, 7 bowls.
We're dramatically worse than our mediocre northeast peers. Stats don't lie.