Are we the worst P-5 football program?

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Not talking about this year in isolation necessarily, but rather, more broadly.

Serious question...i think the answer may very well be yes. I think there are other programs in the discussion. But I am having a hard time definitively saying we are not.

Suddenly, a lot of the other conference doormats all still look better.

Kansas may be the only program I can make the confident case for.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Kansas is the answer. Vandy is awful too.

 

[dan7800]

Exactly what I want to ponder on a Monday morning.

 

[alphaorange]

Jesus...the team we've seen is not even the team we have. Can you not understand all the players not playing or not playing healthy? What is so hard to understand?

 

[gmoney44]

Kansas is the answer. Vandy is awful too.

Vandy would beat us handy. Us vs Kansas for last.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Jesus...the team we've seen is not even the team we have. Can you not understand all the players not playing or not playing healthy? What is so hard to understand?

I am talking big picture, not only this year.

 

[Geode]

I hate to say it but we look about as bad as bad gets.
ifs and buts aside, every program has had struggles this year but we’ve made a Grand Canyon sized hole based on performance. It’s sad to see the cycle this program is stuck in keep repeating itself. The excuses/coaches/ways we lose change but the ultimate product on the field has been remarkably consistent for 20 years outside an anomaly or two (call it the blind squirrel finding an acorn). We appear to be a bad program that finds a way to a low level bowl every 5-7 yrs.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Probably Kansas but we probably over the last 20-25 years are 2nd.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Vandy would beat us handy. Us vs Kansas for last.

I wasn’t thinking in terms of head to head. I was thinking in terms of utter hopelessness in the big picture, as Vandy’s ceiling is 7 wins tops because they’ll never compete in the SEC.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

I wasn’t thinking in terms of head to head. I was thinking in terms of utter hopelessness in the big picture, as Vandy’s ceiling is 7 wins tops because they’ll never compete in the SEC.

I'm thinking a combo of both. For me Vandy is ahead. They may be hopeless in the conference, but the fact that they are SEC seems to almost force the admin to be aggressive in how they spend on that team. 5 of last 9 seasons have been bowl seasons

 

[orlandoorange]

Probably Kansas but we probably over the last 20-25 years are 2nd.

In a world that includes Rutgers, this is a sad sad day.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'm thinking a combo of both. For me Vandy is ahead. They may be hopeless in the conference, but the fact that they are SEC seems to almost force the admin to be aggressive in how they spend on that team. 5 of last 9 seasons have been winning years.

Vandy?

2020 Derek Mason (0-7)
2019 Derek Mason (3-9)
2018 Derek Mason (6-7)
2017 Derek Mason (5-7)
2016 Derek Mason (6-7)
2015 Derek Mason (4-8)
2014 Derek Mason (3-9)
2013 James Franklin (9-4)
2012 James Franklin (9-4)
2011 James Franklin (6-7)
2010 Robbie Caldwell (2-10)
2009 Bobby Johnson (2-10)
2008 Bobby Johnson (7-6)
2007 Bobby Johnson (5-7)
2006 Bobby Johnson (4-8)
2005 Bobby Johnson (5-6)
2004 Bobby Johnson (2-9)
2003 Bobby Johnson (2-10)
2002 Bobby Johnson (2-10)

 

[oldpinepoint]

We are bottom 5 for sure

 

[GoSU96]

Not talking about this year in isolation necessarily, but rather, more broadly.

Serious question...i think the answer may very well be yes. I think there are other programs in the discussion. But I am having a hard time definitively saying we are not.

Suddenly, a lot of the other conference doormats all still look better.

Kansas may be the only program I can make the confident case for.

Pick a lane, you said in your lead not this year, and then talk about how other teams now look better.

The active roster, emphasis on active, is ridiculous, but the full roster next year is going to be much, much better than what took the field Friday.

SU has been competitive with the ACC. Obviously there is 2018 and coming in second, but SU has at least one win against every team other than UVA and Miami, which we have played once on the road.

 

[Alsacs]

No.
Let’s not do this pity party.

What do they call the person ranked last in a graduating class every year?
A graduate.
Who cares.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

No.
Let’s not do this pity party.

What do they call the person ranked last in a graduating class every year?
A graduate.
Who cares.

It's not a pity party, I was simply asking for opinions.

 

[Chip]

Why are you asking? Do you want the answer to be yes? And what if it is? Do we take our ball and go home?

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Vandy?

2020 Derek Mason (0-7)
2019 Derek Mason (3-9)
2018 Derek Mason (6-7)
2017 Derek Mason (5-7)
2016 Derek Mason (6-7)
2015 Derek Mason (4-8)
2014 Derek Mason (3-9)
2013 James Franklin (9-4)
2012 James Franklin (9-4)
2011 James Franklin (6-7)

If you look at the last 10 in ISO it looks a lot less ugly. This year aside of course

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Pick a lane, you said in your lead no this year, and then talk about how other teams now look better.

The active roster, emphasis on active, is ridiculous, but the full roster next year is going to be much, much better than what took the field Friday.

SU has been competitive with the ACC. Obviously there is 2018 and coming in second, but SU has at least one win against every team other than UVA and Miami, which we have played once on the road.

I guess my lane is the last handful of years. This year counts but is merely 1 in 4 or 5.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

If you look at the last 10 in ISO it looks a lot less ugly. This year aside of course

You said "5 of last 9 seasons have been winning years".

Where? They haven't had a winning season since Franklin bolted for PSU.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

You said "5 of last 9 seasons have been winning years".

Where? They haven't had a winning season since Franklin bolted for PSU.

Apologies, I misspoke. I meant 5 of last 9 they have had bowl appearances. Which feels like at least a generally "successful" season

 

[Orangefizz]

I wasn’t thinking in terms of head to head. I was thinking in terms of utter hopelessness in the big picture, as Vandy’s ceiling is 7 wins tops because they’ll never compete in the SEC.

As the ACC revenue continues to increase I could see Vanderbilt joining the ACC with Notre Dame. Vanderbilt’s academic profile is similar to other ACC schools. From a football standpoint Vanderbilt would be much more competitive in the ACC as well.

 

[Alsacs]

As the ACC revenue continues to increase I could see Vanderbilt joining the ACC with Notre Dame. Vanderbilt’s academic profile is similar to other ACC schools. From a football standpoint Vanderbilt would be much more competitive in the ACC as well.

No team is leaving the SEC or Big Ten willingly.
The money those conferences make dwarfs all the rest.
When the Disney-SEC tier 1 football rights deal is announced it will drop jaws.
Vandy is competitive in a lot of sports not football.

 

[Geode]

Year	Wins	Losses	Coach	Bowl
2000​	6​	5​	Pasqualoni
2001​	10​	3​	Pasqualoni	Insight.com-w
2002​	4​	8​	Pasqualoni
2003​	6​	6​	Pasqualoni
2004​	6​	6​	Pasqualoni	Champs-l
2005​	1​	10​	Gerg
2006​	4​	8​	Gerg
2007​	2​	10​	Gerg
2008​	3​	9​	Gerg
2009​	4​	8​	Marrone
2010​	8​	5​	Marrone	Pinstripe-w
2011​	5​	7​	Marrone
2012​	8​	5​	Marrone	Pinstripe-w
2013​	7​	6​	Shafer	Texas-w
2014​	3​	9​	Shafer
2015​	4​	8​	Shafer
2016​	4​	8​	Babers
2017​	4​	8​	Babers
2018​	10​	3​	Babers	Camping World-w
2019​	5​	7​	Babers
2020​			Babers
	Wins	Losses
Total	104​	139​
Average Record	5​	7​
Pasqualoni*	32​	28​		101-59-1 total record for P
Gerg	10​	37​
Marrone	25​	25​
Shafer	14​	23​
Babers	23​	26​

 

[Newhouser]

Jesus...the team we've seen is not even the team we have. Can you not understand all the players not playing or not playing healthy? What is so hard to understand?

Everyone has injuries and opt outs.