Article Published in Post-Standard 8/18/09

[GoSU96]

Got it.

Honestly, it wouldn't shock me if we never actually do that 10/20 deal. 2019 is a long way off, so much in the college football landscape could change, and its likely that we have both a new AD and Chancellor before it even starts.

Yep

 

[MiniCuse]

2012, 2013, 2014, 2016 then 10 more starting off in 2019 over the following 2 decades.

People on this board cry too damn much. Playing in NYC once a year or so is good for the program. Period. Money, exposure, recruiting; it's obviously a positive. Has playing in NYC hurt basketball? No, it helped build basketball. It will do the same for football. I can't go this year but in 2013 and 2014 the wife and I will drive the 9 hours (which is more than twice 4 hours) from NC to NYC to spend a weekend watching football, sightseeing, shopping and dining. It's a destination football game in the greatest city in the world. This is bad? Are you kidding me? The Orange in the Big Apple will be great for the University.

 

[rrlbees]

People on this board cry too damn much. Playing in NYC once a year or so is good for the program. Period. Money, exposure, recruiting; it's obviously a positive. Has playing in NYC hurt basketball? No, it helped build basketball. It will do the same for football. I can't go this year but in 2013 and 2014 the wife and I will drive the 9 hours (which is more than twice 4 hours) from NC to NYC to spend a weekend watching football, sightseeing, shopping and dining. It's a destination football game in the greatest city in the world. This is bad? Are you kidding me? The Orange in the Big Apple will be great for the University.

Some forget the realities. The difference in money is not as great as people think. Sounds like rutgers fans last year who thought they would "make" $1.2M because that is what they were getting paid. Come to find out, after expenses (just like a bowl) and the loss of home ticket sales, concessions, parking etc, the difference was a lot less. People who think it will be some recruiting lightening bolt, forget that it will increase the chances that a game at the Dome will have less attendance and people will cry that the fans aren't impressing the recruits (remember, when a recruit does a visit, it is at the Dome, not the Meadowlands). Lastly, we lose a big competitive advantage. Our chances of beating a top OOC opponent is greater in the Dome than in the Meadowlands. I'd rather beat a UCLA in the Dome than lose to a USC in the Meadowlands. What happened to everyone (the same ones that love the Meadowlands deal) that said winning will cure all? Never seen a program be successful that didn't do everything they could to maximize home attendance.

 

[kingottoiii]

People who think it will be some recruiting lightening bolt, forget that it will increase the chances that a game at the Dome will have less attendance and people will cry that the fans aren't impressing the recruits (remember, when a recruit does a visit, it is at the Dome, not the Meadowlands).

As long as we have a decent FB team, we should average over 42k for a home schedule of the below. There really is no excuse. I do agree though that TGD needs to work on getting a 2 road, 1 Dome, and 1 NYC deal with these teams. That IMO were be the perfect compromise to the situation. It gives the NYC people a game and gives CNY a game. As well as increases the chances of a W by being in the Dome.


Year 1

Home
1AA
One of FSU/Clemson
One of BC/MD
One of NC St/Wake
Pitt
One of the other 6 ACC teams

Road
Non BCS
One of FSU/Clemson
One of BC/MD
One of NC St/Wake
One of the other 6 ACC teams
Big Name team


Year 2

Home
1AA
Non BCS
One of FSU/Clemson
One of BC/MD
One of NC St/Wake
One of the other 6 ACC teams

Semi Home
NYC

Road
One of FSU/Clemson
One of BC/MD
One of NC St/Wake
Pitt
One of the other 6 ACC teams

 

[rrlbees]

I do agree though that TGD needs to work on getting a 2 road, 1 Dome, and 1 NYC deal with these teams. That IMO were be the perfect compromise to the situation. It gives the NYC people a game and gives CNY a game. As well as increases the chances of a W by being in the Dome.

And while 1-1-1 is the best, that would be absolutely OK when talking about teams like USC, ND, PSU, Okie or whatever national program we are going to play.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Playing in NYC once a year or so is good for the program. Period. Money, exposure, recruiting; it's obviously a positive. Has playing in NYC hurt basketball? No, it helped build basketball. It will do the same for football.

You're not moving the "best" home basketball game of the year down to NYC.

You're not relocating a game against Geogretown or Nova or UConn from the Dome to MSG. Or UNC / Duke.

But SU will be relocating the best home football game every other season.

When SU moves to the ACC and starts playing a 9 game conference schedule, they will only have room for 3 OOC games. Only ONE of those games will be against a BCS team, with the other two being against CUSA / MAC / FCS fodder.

In other words, it looks like SU will NEVER play another big name BCS team in Syracuse. You'll never get Nebraska, or Oklahoma, or Florida, or Auburn, or Ohio State, or Michigan in the Dome again (except for maybe PSU in 2020, unless that gets cancelled).

In even numbered years, SU will play their 1 BCS game in the Meadowlands. In odd numbered years SU will play the same BCS team on the road.

Hard to sell season tickets to CNY locals when all they'll ever see again is table scraps. Especially when the team is struggling to get over .500.

FSU will visit once every 2 years. Miami and Va Tech will come once every 6 years. None of the other ACC match-ups really move the meter.

It wouldn't surprise me if CNY'ers cancelled their season tickets and just bought single game seats when FSU or Miami visit, and stayed home to watch the rest on TV. There are always plenty of good seats available. It's not like there's a 5 year waiting list for season tickets, and if you give them up you go to the back of the line. Maybe use the ticket money for a road trip to NJ every other year to see the sexy opponents.

It also wouldn't surprise me if this proposed 20 year Meadowlands deal went away. Remember, at the time this was being discussed, SU was a BE team who needed 5 OOC games a year (with 2-3 against BCS teams). Now we'll only need 1 BCS game a season.

 

[cusestudent]

Some forget the realities. The difference in money is not as great as people think. Sounds like rutgers fans last year who thought they would "make" $1.2M because that is what they were getting paid. Come to find out, after expenses (just like a bowl) and the loss of home ticket sales, concessions, parking etc, the difference was a lot less. People who think it will be some recruiting lightening bolt, forget that it will increase the chances that a game at the Dome will have less attendance and people will cry that the fans aren't impressing the recruits (remember, when a recruit does a visit, it is at the Dome, not the Meadowlands). Lastly, we lose a big competitive advantage. Our chances of beating a top OOC opponent is greater in the Dome than in the Meadowlands. I'd rather beat a UCLA in the Dome than lose to a USC in the Meadowlands. What happened to everyone (the same ones that love the Meadowlands deal) that said winning will cure all? Never seen a program be successful that didn't do everything they could to maximize home attendance.

Your point on recruiting is moot since the game in NYC will be played in the beginning of the year. Most recruits visit the campus later in the season during conference play. SU will bring them in for the best conference opponent they play at home, and not the biggest non-conference game. I have never seen recruits go on official visits during the second or third week of the season. So chances are they will come for FSU, VT, UM, or GT in the greatest quantity. The game at the Meadowlands allows the NYC region recruits to go to the game from a short distance away if they wish to see the team outside of an official visit as a supplement. Also this gives the assistants an opportunity to have an in-home visit with the important recruits in the area on Sunday, heck even HCDM might visit a kid or two.

 

[rrlbees]

Your point on recruiting is moot since the game in NYC will be played in the beginning of the year. Most recruits visit the campus later in the season during conference play.

That was my point. Because we play in the Meadowlands doesn't do a thing for recruiting. And later in the season, recruits visit almost very weekend. Not every kid in the country is on the same schedule. So while we will have some recruits at that Miami game in the Dome every 6 years, we'll also have some recruits in the Dome for the weak games too. Thanks for making my point.

 

[Cuseman78]

It wouldn't surprise me if CNY'ers cancelled their season tickets and just bought single game seats when FSU or Miami visit, and stayed home to watch the rest on TV.

Well if this were to be true (which I doubt it would be), then I would take back my comment earlier on in the thread that the locals do a great job supporting SU Athletics. Less whining CNY...less whining.

 

[DeepThrowIt]

Your point on recruiting is moot since the game in NYC will be played in the beginning of the year. Most recruits visit the campus later in the season during conference play. SU will bring them in for the best conference opponent they play at home, and not the biggest non-conference game. I have never seen recruits go on official visits during the second or third week of the season. So chances are they will come for FSU, VT, UM, or GT in the greatest quantity. The game at the Meadowlands allows the NYC region recruits to go to the game from a short distance away if they wish to see the team outside of an official visit as a supplement. Also this gives the assistants an opportunity to have an in-home visit with the important recruits in the area on Sunday, heck even HCDM might visit a kid or two.

What people are failing to realize is, as Bees mentioned, a game in the Meadowlands really does nothing for recruiting. While it may be a "home game", the staff will not be allowed to do any of the typical pregame recruiting functions (i.e. lunch with staff, locker room visits, on field during pregame, etc...). You can't do these things away from campus. This is an NCAA rule. So basically, there will be very little interaction between the staff and recruits at these games.

Again, we need to get recruits to CAMPUS. Kids commit to a school, not just the football program. They get no taste of the school at MetLife Stadium. While I know crowd support isn't great at the Dome, it doesn't matter. Kids need to visit where they will be going to college, not a neutral site. When I was in that business, we always used to say "treat each visit like its the first/last time a PSA will see our school." If anything, I think this gives tri-state recruits a reason not to make the 3.5 hour trip to the Dome.

We don't even recruit New Jersey anymore. Not like we used to anyway. I'm surprised Cuse isn't playing a game at the Georgia Dome too.

 

[cusestudent]

That was my point. Because we play in the Meadowlands doesn't do a thing for recruiting. And later in the season, recruits visit almost very weekend. Not every kid in the country is on the same schedule. So while we will have some recruits at that Miami game in the Dome every 6 years, we'll also have some recruits in the Dome for the weak games too. Thanks for making my point.

I understand the point you're trying to make. I still think there is room to play at Metlife just because of the money and exposure it brings in by being on the national stage (heck the win over Michigan almost brought App St to FBS). I think the whole strategy is based around money and obviously if you're going to market SU as New York's College Team then you have to win over the majority of the population in the NYC area as it supplies over half the state's population. I think in the sense of being on the national stage in the biggest city in the world playing a big time team it can only help with recruiting. I feel it helps more than it hurts.

 

[cusestudent]

What people are failing to realize is, as Bees mentioned, a game in the Meadowlands really does nothing for recruiting. While it may be a "home game", the staff will not be allowed to do any of the typical pregame recruiting functions (i.e. lunch with staff, locker room visits, on field during pregame, etc...). You can't do these things away from campus. This is an NCAA rule. So basically, there will be very little interaction between the staff and recruits at these games.

Again, we need to get recruits to CAMPUS. Kids commit to a school, not just the football program. They get no taste of the school at MetLife Stadium. While I know crowd support isn't great at the Dome, it doesn't matter. Kids need to visit where they will be going to college, not a neutral site. When I was in that business, we always used to say "treat each visit like its the first/last time a PSA will see our school." If anything, I think this gives tri-state recruits a reason not to make the 3.5 hour trip to the Dome.

We don't even recruit New Jersey anymore. Not like we used to anyway. I'm surprised Cuse isn't playing a game at the Georgia Dome too.

It's one game, not the whole schedule being played in NYC. There is plenty of opportunities for recruits to see the campus, and believe it or not many of them have reasons other than the game day atmosphere for choosing a school like academics (SU offers many of the best programs in the world), the culture of the city and the campus. We still have FSU and other ACC powers coming to the school every year.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

We agreed to play in the 1997 Kickoff Classic back when we were a little down (1994 I believe) and we went on to curb stomp Wisconsin. That was friggin' awesome.

NYC games are cool.

I saw John Saunders (ABC-ESPN) at Newark Airport the day after that game... We were at same gate when he saw me in my 'Cuse hat and told me he's was extremely impressed with all facets of our game - adding that he thought we could play with anyone in America.

Of course, we lost our next 3 - NC State, @Oklahoma, and @VaTech... but then rattled off 8 straight W's before losing to K State in Bowl.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

A lot can happen in two decades. And unless they are moving games against FSU, VT, and UM to the Meadowlands, it isn't every big game. And PSU has already signed up to play in the Dome. For one game a year SU fans have to do the same thing that most SEC, Big10, and Big 12 fans have to do 6, 7, 8 times a year.

Georgia plays Florida IN FLORIDA every single year. Literally right in the Gators' backyard (Jacksonville) more than 4 hours from Athens.

And Oklahoma plays Texas in Dallas every year.

Yet, you crybabies whine that Gross is playing an occasional "national brand" 5 mins from the media capital of the world in one of the most glamorous NFL stadiums ever built.

You don't think Georgia fans would like to see the Gators play "between the hedges"???

Of course they would... but they also realize the benefit of playing in front of Florida recruits and with the added exposure of a nationally televised "event" of a game.

I realize there's no "return" game so it's a little more balanced... but fact is, plenty of ADs move games for reasons bigger than simply appeasing the locals.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

People on this board cry too damn much. Playing in NYC once a year or so is good for the program. Period. Money, exposure, recruiting; it's obviously a positive. Has playing in NYC hurt basketball? No, it helped build basketball. It will do the same for football. I can't go this year but in 2013 and 2014 the wife and I will drive the 9 hours (which is more than twice 4 hours) from NC to NYC to spend a weekend watching football, sightseeing, shopping and dining. It's a destination football game in the greatest city in the world. This is bad? Are you kidding me? The Orange in the Big Apple will be great for the University.

I'd "LIKE" this post twice if the board permitted me to.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Got it.

Honestly, it wouldn't shock me if we never actually do that 10/20 deal. 2019 is a long way off, so much in the college football landscape could change, and its likely that we have both a new AD and Chancellor before it even starts.

I think you nailed it here, by 2019 we probably have a whole new ath dept thats likely to scrap that deal.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Gross also said that the Orange will play no fewer than six homes at the Carrier Dome in the years it has agreed to play USC and Notre Dame at the new Meadowlands facility. He said the addition of a 12th annual game to the schedule allows Syracuse to look at other opportunities he believes "will enhance our program.
Link

Dr Gross broke his promise to Syracuse fans before SU even played one game there.

Will he move SU home basketball games to MSG as well? He promised he would not.

What will happen with the return game with Oklahoma?

Based on past history with this SU AD, I am thinking...

50% probability the return game will be played at the New Meadowlands facility.

50% probability this was just a one game contract (something Syracuse never does)

0% probability the return game will be played at the Carrier Dome

Please Dr Gross, prove me wrong.

So 15,000 people wont get an extra game. SU will reap huge financial benefit from going on the road. They are a rarity: a brand name guarantee game.

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[rrlbees]

Georgia plays Florida IN FLORIDA every single year. Literally right in the Gators' backyard (Jacksonville) more than 4 hours from Athens.

And Oklahoma plays Texas in Dallas every year.

Yet, you crybabies whine that Gross is playing an occasional "national brand" 5 mins from the media capital of the world in one of the most glamorous NFL stadiums ever built.

You don't think Georgia fans would like to see the Gators play "between the hedges"???

Of course they would... but they also realize the benefit of playing in front of Florida recruits and with the added exposure of a nationally televised "event" of a game.

I realize there's no "return" game so it's a little more balanced... but fact is, plenty of ADs move games for reasons bigger than simply appeasing the locals.

Those are conference games and neither gets to play "at home". Apples and oranges.

 

[DeepThrowIt]

It's one game, not the whole schedule being played in NYC. There is plenty of opportunities for recruits to see the campus, and believe it or not many of them have reasons other than the game day atmosphere for choosing a school like academics (SU offers many of the best programs in the world), the culture of the city and the campus. We still have FSU and other ACC powers coming to the school every year.

Thank you again for making my point that these games should be on campus.

 

[qdawgg]

Just my opinion. I understand the point of having a marquee game in NYC and from a purely national marketing standpoint it makes a lot of sense. At the same time, I live 2+ hours from the dome and it's highly unlikely I will buy season tix again if the most exciting game of the year (at least from the prior week build up and just before kickoff) isn't in the dome. The SU athletic department can take that for what its worth and that's just me.

 

[cusestudent]

Thank you again for making my point that these games should be on campus.

How does that prove your point? It doesn't prove it at all. It just means that kids have to go to the campus and see the programs the University has to offer. In your eyes, you see that if we play big games at the Dome then better recruits will just magically show up to check out the game. In my eyes, the games being held at NYC are nationally televised and if these recruits like what they see then they start checking out the program. If they like what they see from the internet now they make an inquiry to the University to talk to the coaching staff; a relationship is built, and now the kid sets foot on campus. This is a good move for the future classes in that it markets the program better than if the game was at the Dome where it might be covered nationally, but probably not. I'm from just outside Utica, so trust me I don't like that the games are moved to NYC every other year, but it gives me an excuse to go to the city and there could be a nice uptick in recruiting and talent for the team as kids from areas of then the Northeast find out about SU for the first time. We live in a media driven world and the people driving it are the youth and the upcoming generations. We can either be proactive and get on board now or wait until we're already left behind.