Assuming Rutgers wins on Saturday

[sabach]

then one of the following four is out of luck (Oregon State, Washington State, SU or Pitt).
The one team that could be helping SU and Pitt in this is Notre Dame.
From what I understand, ND does not want to go to NYC if it can go south. Therefore, ND is trying to fill the Independence Bowl slot against an ACC team. Given the MAC's secondary agreement with Poinsettia, the lack of quality opponents in the other open bowls and the weather in NYC, ND's preferred destination is the Independence Bowl vs. an ACC team.
If ND goes to Independence, it would push out one of the 2 6-6 PAC 12 schools. Right now, the Independence opening is being projected to one of the PAC 12 because the ACC is the opponent in the Independence and there will not be an ACC vs. ACC game here.
If ND were to fill the Independence's open slot against an ACC team, that would push the PAC 12 school out of the Independence. In return, the opening in the Pinstripe would not chose a PAC 12 over SU or Pitt.
SU or Pitt would go Pinstripe (likely Pitt) and SU would go Little Caesars. Either Wash State or Oregon State would go Heart of Dallas with the other one left out.
The snag in this is whether the Pinstripe will allow ND out. However given that ND, Pinstripe, EPSN and ACC are all in bed together now it is not out of the question that this scenario could happen. This would help ND (putting it south for a bowl) and help ensure SU and Pitt are in bowls. I know many on this board couldn't care less about things that help ND, but in this scenario ND in the Independence almost guarantees SU and Pitt in a bowl.

 

[PhatOrange]

I thought the Big10 was tied to the Motor City (along with the Mac) and the SEC was tied to the Independence (vs ACC). ??

 

[sabach]

I thought the Big10 was tied to the Motor City (along with the Mac) and the SEC was tied to the Independence (vs ACC). ??

Big 10 does not have enough bowl eligible teams to fill its slot with Motor City (Little Caesars) and will probably have another (Heart of Dallas) if 2 Big 10 go to the BCS. SEC also does not have enough bowl eligible (thanks Florida for sucking) which opens the spot in the Independence.

 

[TexanMark]

One more way that is good for us:

Fresno allready took themselves out for a BCS Bowl. If Bowling Green can upset NIU that would be huge. By my calculations only UCF would grab a BCS bid. Louisville could possibly grab one but I'm not sure they would rise enough.

If NIU is out another P5 team makes the BCS and it frees up one more secondary bowl.

So it is inate to Root against Rutgirls and should go without saying...but please add NIU to your list of hate this Friday.

 

[cuseguy]

I think most of us would take any bowl at this point but after the pre-Christmas bowls, the worst is the Little Caesars, played the day after Christmas at 6 p.m. Can't see a lot of SU fans traveling to Detroit the day after Christmas.

 

[Pyle]

Assuming what????????

2 de-merits for using those two words in the same sentence. Go Bulls!

 

[TheCusian]

What's this "assuming Rutgers wins" stuff? Did you see them against UCONN? They are a train wreck and couldn't stop UCONN's vaunted passing game (snark).

South Florida gave UCF a game. I don't think Rutgers is going to get there...

 

[690West]

Rutgers only favored by 6. Go bulls.

 

[sabach]

Assuming what????????

2 de-merits for using those two words in the same sentence. Go Bulls!

Thank you sir, may I please have another.

 

[TexanMark]

What's this "assuming Rutgers wins" stuff? Did you see them against UCONN? They are a train wreck and couldn't stop UCONN's vaunted passing game (snark).

South Florida gave UCF a game. I don't think Rutgers is going to get there...

I think Rutgers is a canard on getting us a bowl spot. Even if they lose the Beef Bowl has a backup with another conference. I think rooting for NIU to lose is key.

 

[TheCusian]

Assuming it doesn't snow again in Syracuse, ...

 

[sabach]

What's this "assuming Rutgers wins" stuff? Did you see them against UCONN? They are a train wreck and couldn't stop UCONN's vaunted passing game (snark).

South Florida gave UCF a game. I don't think Rutgers is going to get there...

I hope you are right. I was kind of looking at "worst case scenario" stuff. Of course SMU could upset UCF which would all but kill our chances at a bowl but I don't think SMU will win, unfortunately, I do think Buttgers has a chance.

 

[Orangello]

Oregan State is on a 5 game losing streak. They're the one that's going to draw the short straw here.

ND to Indy
Cuse to Pinstripe
Schpitt to Pizza North

 

[Orangello]

I hope you are right. I was kind of looking at "worst case scenario" stuff. Of course SMU could upset UCF which would all but kill our chances at a bowl but I don't think SMU will win, unfortunately, I do think Buttgers has a chance.

SMU is not upsetting UCF. Go Bulls death to the Girls.

 

[Chip]

Unless they get lightning in a bottle, win one for the coach we hate, senior day, everyone on USF gets hurt, USF accidentally sends the team to the Meadowlands... Rutgers will lose on Saturday.

 

[PhatOrange]

One more way that is good for us:

Fresno allready took themselves out for a BCS Bowl. If Bowling Green can upset NIU that would be huge. By my calculations only UCF would grab a BCS bid. Louisville could possibly grab one but I'm not sure they would rise enough.

No chance on earth the AAC would get 2 BCS bowls; UCF and LVille over Alabama, Auburn, Missouri, South Carolina, Ohio State, Michigan State, FSU, Clemson, Oklahoma State and Baylor.

 

[Orangello]

Unless they get lightning in a bottle, win one for the coach we hate, senior day, everyone on USF gets hurt, USF accidentally sends the team to the Meadowlands... Rutgers will lose on Saturday.

Rutgers will lose. That has a certain ring to it.

 

[cuseguy]

Normally I'd say South Florida wins. But I think Rutgers squeaks by here.

 

[PhatOrange]

the buttgers / usf game is at 730pm with temps in the low 40s/high 30s in front of 100 fans. 1 team in a freefall who needs a win for a bowl and another team that doesn't care other than pride. should be a dousey.

 

[sabach]

I think Rutgers is a canard on getting us a bowl spot. Even if they lose the Beef Bowl has a backup with another conference. I think rooting for NIU to lose is key.

I'm not sure about that Mark. If UCF goes to BCS, the AAC has five other bowls to fill (BBVA, Beef, Pinstripe, Belk and Russell). Right now there are only 4 bowl eligible in the AAC (UCF, Houston, Louisville, Cinn). Rutgers and SMU could become bowl eligible this weekend. If Rutgers wins and SMU loses, the AAC will have one open slot (Beef Bowl) (one BCS school is screwed because Beef goes to the MAC secondary school). If both win (one BCS schools is still screwed but a MAC school is also screwed because it can't fill the Beef secondary agreement). If both lose, that frees up another slot for one of the BCS schools in addition to the Beef (filled by MAC) and I cannot see how any of the four BCS 6-6 teams are left out then. Therefore, the way I see it, a Rutgers loss (assuming an SMU loss as well) guarantees all four 6-6 BCS (including SU) teams in a bowl.

 

[Pyle]

the buttgers / usf game is at 730pm with temps in the low 40s/high 30s in front of 100 fans. 1 team in a freefall who needs a win for a bowl and another team that doesn't care other than pride. should be a dousey.

More SU/Pitt fans will be watching this on TV than JerseyState/DirectionalFlorida fans both on TV and in person. I'd be willing to bet on it.

 

[Alsacs]

Oregan State is on a 5 game losing streak. They're the one that's going to draw the short straw here.

ND to Indy
Cuse to Pinstripe
Schpitt to Pizza North

Syracuse is NOT going to end up in Pinstripe from my friend in the SU AD office. If the Pinstripe could take an ACC team it will be Boston College or Georgia Tech.

I do agree that Oregon State will be unlucky team among SU, Pitt, Washington State. I think SU ends up in Advocare Bowl or Little Cesear's Bowl.


Heart of Dallas looks like it will go with Mike Leach and the Wazzu Cougars. However, as Mark has said if Northern Illinois loses that opens a BCS spot for the Pac-12 most likely Oregon in the Sugar Bowl.
The BCS bowls would
National Champ- FSU vs. Ohio State
Orange Bowl- Clemson vs Alabama
Rose Bowl- Arizona State/Stanford vs. Michigan State
Fiesta Bowl- Oklahoma State vs. UCF
Sugar Bowl Auburn vs. Oregon

If Michigan State fell from 10 to outside of 14 then Baylor would go a BCS bowl, but it would be interesting to see if Oregon went to the Orange, Alabama went to the Rose and Baylor went to Sugar which is what I think would happen thru backdoor deals. However, this is assuming Northern Illinois loses which is unlikely as the MAC officials will give them all the calls.

 

[Pyle]

Syracuse is NOT going to end up in Pinstripe from my friend in the SU AD office. If the Pinstripe could take an ACC team it will be Boston College or Georgia Tech.

How is that possible? GT and BC are going to ACC bowls. It's us new guys on the outside looking in that will fall to other bowls. ACC bowls get first dibs and no way they pass up these two.

 

[Alsacs]

How is that possible? GT and BC are going to ACC bowls. It's us new guys on the outside looking in that will fall to other bowls. ACC bowls get first dibs and no way they pass up these two.

GT has 7 wins but can only count 6 of them as it matters for Bowl eligibility. They beat 2 D-1AA schools and in the minds of bowl eligibility they are 6-5. The ACC would handle this matter within the conference and honestly neither GT or BC would travel better to the Advocare Bowl than SU. So the ACC would be helping both sides as the Pinstripe Bowl would have SU fatigue and a BC/GT-ND Pinstripe Bowl would have some interest on all 3 sides.

 

[Jeepers]

I'm actually looking forward to seeing ND in the Pinstripe. I hate ND, but I really like the Pinstripe and think it would help give the bowl a little boost in prestige. Good for the ACC.