Bad play calling

[garydelano]

When is coach m going to realize that Hacket needs to be replaced? I think Coach M is a good Coach and would hate to see him go because he stands behind his friend and prodegy. A Quarterbacks couch could also help.

 

[OrangePA]

Ugh.

The obligatory "play calling" post.

 

[Crusty]

Ugh.
The obligatory "play calling" post.

Well, what is your take? We obviously have the talent or we would not be able to compile all these stats. We don;t score - we have scored under 14 points in the last four games. Do you honestly believe we do not have the talent? All I hear is how great Nassib is and that Lemon is the record holder and Sales is great and that Mackey has improved and that Pugh is great (he blew the blocked FG that cost the game yesterday) and how Smith is a good back. Then what is the problem?? How can all these guys be good and yet we do not have the talent? Someone is to blame! If we cannot identify the problem how do we fix it?

 

[RMH44]

Well, what is your take? We obviously have the talent or we would not be able to compile all these stats. We don;t score - we have scored under 14 points in the last four games. Do you honestly believe we do not have the talent? All I hear is how great Nassib is and that Lemon is the record holder and Sales is great and that Mackey has improved and that Pugh is great (he blew the blocked FG that cost the game yesterday) and how Smith is a good back. Then what is the problem?? How can all these guys be good and yet we do not have the talent? Someone is to blame! If we cannot identify the problem how do we fix it?

Wow...how far you have fallen!

I don't care about the stats, we have very few, if any, play makers on offense. We can move the ball between the 20's because that's how we're built! Explosive teams, teams with play makers, can score from any where on the field. We're methodical for a reason, we lack home run hitters. We have to string together a bunch of singles and hope for the occasional double along the way. All of this becomes exceedingly more difficult in the red zone due to the short field.

I really like our WR's...but if we had RU's three horses we might be undefeated. Contrary to many of the naysayers here, I think HCDM and staff have done a very good job with the talent they have. The up tempo has at least masked many of our deficiencies.

 

[RMH44]

Ugh.

The obligatory "play calling" post.

Yep, still waiting on the obligatory uniform post to follow.

 

[Crusty]

Wow...how far you have fallen!

I don't care about the stats, we have very few, if any, play makers on offense. We can move the ball between the 20's because that's how we're built! Explosive teams, teams with play makers, can score from any where on the field. We're methodical for a reason, we lack home run hitters. We have to string together a bunch of singles and hope for the occasional double along the way. All of this becomes exceedingly more difficult in the red zone due to the short field.

I really like our WR's...but if we had RU's three horses we might be undefeated. Contrary to many of the naysayers here, I think HCDM and staff have done a very good job with the talent they have. The up tempo has at least masked many of our deficiencies.

Meaning no disrespect but that answer simply means that you are willing to take it on faith with no objective criteria on which to base your conclusion. This staff is learning on the job. We don't have a goal line package until we get stuffed by Stony Brook - is that good coaching? We get beat by the same Rutgers guy who beat us last year on a blocked PAT - that is good coaching? It takes four weeks to teach kick coverage - is that good coaching? Even Marrone admits his play call sucked at the goal line.

Look at the staff - DM has had no previous HC expereince. Hackett has had no previous OC experience. Shafer is the only one who has had real experience and success in his role at the college level and it shows.

These guys just do not know their jobs very well. We get out coached almost every week.

 

[alphaorange]

I know...it really ticked me off when Hacket had that TD pass go through his hands...and when that block was missed on the 2 leading to a 1 yard loss...damn that Marrone. Yes, they make mistakes in hindsight. Every staff does but they become invisible when the team wins.

 

[Crusty]

So in your view the staff has no responsibility for a 2-10 run? Why didn't I think of that?

 

[RMH44]

Meaning no disrespect but that answer simply means that you are willing to take it on faith with no objective criteria on which to base your conclusion. This staff is learning on the job. We don't have a goal line package until we get stuffed by Stony Brook - is that good coaching? We get beat by the same Rutgers guy who beat us last year on a blocked PAT - that is good coaching? It takes four weeks to teach kick coverage - is that good coaching? Even Marrone admits his play call sucked at the goal line.

Look at the staff - DM has had no previous HC expereince. Hackett has had no previous OC experience. Shafer is the only one who has had real experience and success in his role at the college level and it shows.

These guys just do not know their jobs very well. We get out coached almost every week.

Well, we'll simply have to disagree on this. At least you do it respectfully and avoid the condescending arrogance of many.

I don't think anyone is more disappointed with the results thus far than I am. But, I refuse to throw the staff and players under the bus because simply I can't control my emotions. This program is light years ahead of where it was when Doug got... light years?

Those who want instant gratification might consider switching teams...seriously. SU doesn't have Nike or Pappa Johns in their backyards to pour money into the coffers. Returning this program to respectability is significantly more difficult here than most other places, but we are definitely headed in the right direction.

See you at the game Friday night.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Wow...how far you have fallen!

I don't care about the stats, we have very few, if any, play makers on offense. We can move the ball between the 20's because that's how we're built! Explosive teams, teams with play makers, can score from any where on the field. We're methodical for a reason, we lack home run hitters. We have to string together a bunch of singles and hope for the occasional double along the way. All of this becomes exceedingly more difficult in the red zone due to the short field.

I really like our WR's...but if we had RU's three horses we might be undefeated. Contrary to many of the naysayers here, I think HCDM and staff have done a very good job with the talent they have. The up tempo has at least masked many of our deficiencies.

There are very very few naysayers on this board. You are confusing Syracusefan.com with the place that has eliminated the fan. What we have here are a lot of frustrated football fans who wanted and still want Doug Marrone to succeed but who are becoming increasingly doubtful that he can for a variety of reasons.

 

[rrlbees]

What everyone has to jeep in mind is that no matter how many games we lose, the staff has no responsibility.

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[RMH44]

There are very very few naysayers on this board. You are confusing Syracusefan.com with the place that has eliminated the fan. What we have here are a lot of frustrated football fans who wanted and still want Doug Marrone to succeed but who are becoming increasingly doubtful that he can for a variety of reasons.

You're kidding, right?? Go back and read the game thread. Huge influx of a$$clowns spewing newspaper board venom every where.

No one is any more frustrated than I am...that's impossible. Failure to see the big picture is equally frustrating. As I said in another thread...this program is light years further ahead than when DM got here.

Thankfully, I stayed away from the bourbon during yesterday's game or I might of posted a few things I would regret today.

 

[RMH44]

What everyone has to jeep in mind is that no matter how many games we lose, the staff has no responsibility.

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No one said or implied any such notion. DM has stated ad nauseum that he is responsible.

 

[JeremyCuse]

No one said or implied any such notion. DM has stated ad nauseum that he is responsible.

Yes they have, are you reading half of these posts. At what point do you hold the people calling the plays responsible when you cant score in the worst BCS conference in the country 4 years running.

 

[RMH44]

Yes they have, are you reading half of these posts. At what point do you hold the people calling the plays responsible when you cant score in the worst BCS conference in the country 4 years running.

Does being held responsible = being fired? If so...who? The entire staff?

Btw, no way the BE is the worst BCS conference this year.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Does being held responsible = being fired? If so...who? The entire staff?

Btw, no way the BE is the worst BCS conference this year.

Yes it is, go back and look at Syracuse's offensive production the last 3 years under Marrone and Hackett is abysmal and through two games this year we have 3 td's one of which was late in the fourth quarter. This team cant score, people here can talk about competivness better then Grob, recruiting, self inflicted mistakes, etc etc bottom line this team cant score at some point you have to hold the staff accountable this isnt pop warner.

 

[orlandoorange]

No one said or implied any such notion. DM has stated ad nauseum that he is responsible.

i'm sorry i got drunk again, i promise i'll stop... at some point a person/coach has to pay more than lip service.

 

[rrlbees]

Does being held responsible = being fired? If so...who? The entire staff?

Btw, no way the BE is the worst BCS conference this year.

I don't think Marrone will get fired but I think a couple of assistants could be gone.

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[Rocco]

I don't think Marrone will get fired but I think a couple of assistants could be gone.

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No question.

 

[qdawgg]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not on the bandwagon anymore.

However, there was almost nothing wrong with the offensive playcalling against Rutgers. If you think the offensive playcalling lost the game then your purely responding to posts based on emotions. The plays gave the offense a chance to sustain drives and score; the players failed to produce.

Some people just have a hard-on for Hackett and are having a difficult time being able to separate what actually happened at the Rutgers game from what their emotions are telling them happened.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not on the bandwagon anymore.

However, there was almost nothing wrong with the offensive playcalling against Rutgers. If you think the offensive playcalling lost the game then your purely responding to posts based on emotions. The plays gave the offense a chance to sustain drives and score; the players failed to produce.

Some people just have a hard-on for Hackett and are having a difficult time being able to separate what actually happened at the Rutgers game from what their emotions are telling them happened.

Im as down on Hackett as anyone but for the most part I thought Saturday he and Marrone called a pretty good game. I still dont understand why we cant take 1 or 2 shots downfield (ever) or run a few misdirection/trick plays but overall I thought they did a good job. The last two drives we really started to throw passes in 20-30 yard range, would love to see more of that moving forward.

 

[qdawgg]

Im as down on Hackett as anyone but for the most part I thought Saturday he and Marrone called a pretty good game. I still dont understand why we cant take 1 or 2 shots downfield (ever) or run a few misdirection/trick plays but overall I thought they did a good job. The last two drives we really started to throw passes in 20-30 yard range, would love to see more of that moving forward.

I agree and my response was specifically for this game where I thought playcalling had almost zero to do with the outcome. I also liked that halfway through the game they made an adjustment and starting making plays to the TE up the middle. They exploited that to death and that was a good adjustment by Hackett.

There have obviously been a lot of weird decisions over the last 2 years though, so I don't dispute that overall the product hasn't been good. It seems we spend so much time planning for the teams defense, like you would in the NFL; when instead we should just do what we do. Quit calling plays based on the other team and run the plays you think you will be successful with. I don't know if that makes sense the way I wrote it, lol. I know what I mean though.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Im as down on Hackett as anyone but for the most part I thought Saturday he and Marrone called a pretty good game. I still dont understand why we cant take 1 or 2 shots downfield (ever) or run a few misdirection/trick plays but overall I thought they did a good job. The last two drives we really started to throw passes in 20-30 yard range, would love to see more of that moving forward.

My 2 guesses as to why we don't call trick plays:

1.) we don't run the ball consistently enough to be effective at sucking in the safeties for a D to bite on trickeration. And...

2.) we don't have a reliable threat on the perimeter (ie WR)

Combine 1&2 w/ inconsistent blocking and a fair number of OCs wouldn't dial up the flea flicker. FTR, I agree w/ your idea - I'd like to see those types of plays too. I just don't see how the kids' execution has given the staff any confidence that calling those plays would be successful.

 

[Ozcuse]

You're kidding, right?? Go back and read the game thread. Huge influx of a$$clowns spewing newspaper board venom every where.

No one is any more frustrated than I am...that's impossible. Failure to see the big picture is equally frustrating. As I said in another thread...this program is light years further ahead than when DM got here.

Thankfully, I stayed away from the bourbon during yesterday's game or I might of posted a few things I would regret today.

Yeah sure thing, Superfan. You sound awfully subdued for someone who is supposedly more frustrated than anyone else here

Here's the big picture. Marrone is 19-24 through 3-1/2 seasons. 2-10 against FBS competition dating back to last year. Our recruiting classes are still in the bottom half of the Big East. If he does not finish the last six games 3-3 or better, I recommend he should contact his real estate agent.

 

[garydelano]

i'm sorry i got drunk again, i promise i'll stop... at some point a person/coach has to pay more than lip service.

The loud house is a perfect venue for opening up the offense. But this offense is very predictable. Were are naked bootlegs. Where are end arounds. Where are some options to soften up the middle. Where is a flee flicker when you have a world class sprinter like Clark. Absolutely no trick plays. The hurry up will work just so long. And to top it off why would you trow the ball twice in a row in the red zone when it hasn't worked all season. Answer please. Simple this offense is to predictable. Easy to defense simply load up the box and take away the deep treat.