Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by MSOrange, Dec 30, 2016.
yeah, no chance any of them used something
You could be right. Hey this is all subjective. Nobody is right.
So did the pitchers though. It evens out. Frank Thomas was always a big boy. Not to mention his eye and his swing would've made him a great hitter even if he was small. That guy was one of the more pure hitters I've ever seen.
Right, I think we should stop guessing who did PEDs. Judge people for what they accomplished on the field.
Ok, thanks. I had never seen it used before.
My gut reaction on Vlad was he's a no brainer HOF. Honestly, going back and looking at his stats, he's more borderline than I thought. I still think he should make it, but it did make me think a little. Like, he's not all that different than Larry Walker or Sheff. (Seriously, check their OPS+, it's eerie)
Nobody on the 1998 or 1999 position player Yankees were likely juicers but David Justice IMO was a juicer and he came on board in 2000.
Make no mistake every team was full of juicers though. Nomar, Manny I mean I am not saying my team was innocent. I do think Pedro was clean though.
Vlad was a better player than Walker IMO.
Vlad's OPS was hurt by Olympic stadium in Montreal being an awful hitting Park early in his career.
Vlad made shouldn't be a no doubt guy but I would put him a level above Walker.
Does Coors skew walker's OPS+?
I think Sheffield had a connection to BALCO which could hurt him.
Shef had to set the unofficial major league record for foul HRs.
My Ballot for 2017
FWIW: I think Raines, Bags and Hoffman get in this year.
Yes, I wouldn't vote for Hoffman.
Theres a lot of Hall of Very Good out there...Bagwell and Hoffman for 2.
Bonds and Clemens, just cut the shlit fellas.
Kent, is a HOFer.
Shef and Vlad will get in.
Schilling is an enigma now.
I think Moose will.
Posada could/should, but the anti-Yankee bias and Irod taking a lot of awards away hurts him. But for Peeing on his hands in place of batting gloves...i don't see why anyone wouldn't want to vote for that badass move.
I'm sorry Posada is not a hof, I like Kent, not enough people talk about him as a hof, he was a jerk, but a great player.
I'm a Yankees fan but I say no to Mussina. The reason is in that 2004 disaster Mussina was the ace of that team. He pitched decent in Game 5 but he needed to throw a shutout. That was their last chance to win. Can't give Torre a chance to put in a gassed out Tom Gordon.
Pitchers too cough Pedro cough
Vlad passed the "need to see him play if you get a chance" test. I took time out from boozing and whoring in a 2002 trip to Montreal to catch a game.
The guy was a horse, averaging 15 wins and over 200 innings pitched for 18 years, with a WHIP just under 1.200, pitching in a hitter's division in a hitter's era. Absolutely HoF worthy.
Moises Alou peed on his hands. Did Rodriguez do it also?
I'm too lazy to look it up, but no love for Albert Belle?
OPS+ is park adjusted
Alou was a pee'r.
Don't know about anyone else.
I'd rather Steinbrenner than belle from the Eras committee.
Posada was a pee guy, too.
Oh sorry, didn't read your whole post above.
Anyway, Posada's a tough call of the HoF. Don't think he'll get in, but one could certainly make a case based on his offensive numbers compared to other catchers historically, plus give him a bump for the post season numbers and titles.
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